Posted on 06/17/2007 8:56:21 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
The American people are up in arms over the current push to legalize illegal migration from south of our border. But unless they are prepared to take up arms, they are likely to lose the battle over immigration reform.
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Washington is not listening - at least not to the American people. So who are they listening to?
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Democrats are fully behind illegal immigration and they have been for many years. It is a vital ingredient in their effort to build an unbeatable proletariat voting majority that will insure Democrat victories at the ballot box for decades to come.
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Key political lobby groups are pushing your representatives to pass Amnesty, legalizing illegal migration and they are pushing much harder than you are pushing back.
(Excerpt) Read more at smallgovtimes.com ...
He's right!
That’s right - the pro-open borders lobby....Nafta, remember that?
I saw a person in my grocery store last week wearing a tee shirt saying “Conservatives for Open Borders.”
I’d bet my life on it that she and her hubby were local farmers, and did research - illegals have a lot of support from pro-Nafta types.
I am beginning to think that the only way to get Washington to listen is to have another tea party, eh?
They certainly do not give a flying crap about what WE the PEOPLE have to say about the issue. Bush is effectively telling us all to shut up and quit b****ing about it.
Personally, I’ve written letters to my California congresspersons (ugh) and the turncoat republicans on the issue and I receive in response form letters telling me essentially not to worry my little head over such matters....
Is there any reason I should pay for low wages people that don’t belong here? It’s going to cost me a lot more than it is the employers. Ir may be cheap and controlled labor for them; but not for me.
The only way we are going to stop this is to withhold our money. They can’t go very far without money.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
CFR is NOT a conservative organization in the least and CFR is who designed and promoted NAFTA as well as the North American Union and the Security and Prosperity Partnership between America, Mexico and Canada, signed by all three in March of 2003.
http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_eng.pdf
There is nothing conservative or pro-American about any of it. It is a wholly global socialist movement designed and promoted by CFR and the Trilateral Commission. Truth is stranger (and more dangerous) than fiction today.
But now you know what “compassionate conservative” means...
Politicans get letters and emails from us, but MONEY and POWER from them...
Still trying to figure out why they can’t hear us?
Not long ago I read an article saying that Muslim groups in Latin America are the fastest growing religious groups. The Catholic Church might be disappointed in how few of their pews will actually be filled by this.
I am beginning to think that the only way to get Washington to listen is to have another tea party, eh?
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This needs to be escalated from the sound-byte we say/they say status quo. The way I see it is that only Rush with the help of the very few politicians who are realistic and honest about this can do it.....there is no other catalyst capable of doing it.
Make illegal immigration unprofitable for companies, labor unions and the politicians they own, and illegal immigration will be solved...
Oh, I know why. That’s why I think it is coming up on time for another Tea Party.
Or “who” they are filled with...
which makes me wonder why we would even vote to put more of these selfless you know whats in power. It just seems useless., We KNOW the American people have spoken and so does everyone else but they are STILL not listening to us. Shame on President Bush. No one in my entire life has ever disappointed me so much. It’s still so unbelieveable. I can’t begin to describe how betrayed I feel.
a revolution of some sort is on the way... Which sort?
Bump!
The ENFORCE ACT.
Sen. INHOFE ANNOUNCES ONLINE PETITION FOR AMERICANS TO SUPPORT BORDER SECURITY AND NO-AMNESTY IMMIGRATION REFORM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1850980/posts
Politicians don’t vote based on the demographics a decade hence, they vote based on the campaign contributions next year.
If you want to know who favors the maintenance of a large population of low income workers follow the money and the lobbying - it leads back to organized groups in the agricultural, manufacturing and service sectors.
The various business groups pushing such programs are completely out front about this, for example the US Chamber of Commerce states on their Web site that:
“In 2007, the Chamber will “push for comprehensive immigration reform that: increases security; has an earned pathway to legalization for undocumented workers already contributing to our economy, provided that they are law-abiding and prepared to embrace the obligations and values of our society...”
http://www.uschamber.com/issues/index/immigration/default
And I have no idea why people here concerned about such matters are spending time and energy on the issue of politicians supposedly pandering to Hispanics with almost no lobbying or financial clout when the actual sponsors of such legislation are business groups completely candid about the fact that they bringing intense pressure on Democrats and Republicans alike to further their interests.
How about a nationwide strike by citizens against illegal immigration? An internet-blog inspired strike has never been organized before, but that's no reason not to try in these dire circumstances.
We hear so much from La Raza and the clowns in DC about a day without illegals, when the truth of the matter is that we the "screw-ees" build and maintain the critical infrastructure that these useless parasites are infecting from above and below. Let's see how these political and economic viruses get along without a compliant host.
Bingo.
BUT...this article nicely makes the point that all of us who are against illegal immigration also have to come up with solutions beyond just "enforce" and "no amnesty"... What do we say in response to the threats of Microsoft, Oracle, etc., moving more operations overseas if we don't allow the cheap labor in here?
After all, if American companies are going to survive, they have to be competitive in the world market, and American wages are inflated relative to the world market unless we can provide some benefit in efficiency, productivity, innovation, etc. And do any of us deny that the American public school system (and modern culture) is not providing superior workers for our companies?
This is where we have to either accept lower wages, improve ourselves, or increase LEGAL immigration. This is where I think Rep. Tancredo is being short-sighted unless he can address the long-term implications.
You are an idiot
Great idea .. now .. how do we implement it ..??
Big problem: corporate sponsors of this travesty will supply funds - and it looks like DC has basically told us to pound sand.
Precisely!
I call it "Mall Wife Monte." It works like this.
You have a ladies clothing store. You want to have well dressed, attractive women work in your store to act as walking advertisements and attract more business.
The trouble is you don't want to pay them enough to afford your clothes AND support themselves: so what do you do?
Simple! You offer them an employee discount on merchandise they buy from you to entice them to come work for the pittance you will pay them, and you have effectively shifted the cost of supporting your workers onto their husbands who were going to support them anyway, but now get even less work out of them because they are out "earning their own money.".
She feels great about herself, you get contented workers costing you less than house pets, and the poor, dumb, bastard who's footing the bill for all this happiness will wind up sleeping on the couch if he doesn't keep his mouth shut about it.
Debate is over.
It’s time to take it to the streets.
To enforce existing law would be the only means by which America should proceed, but heck who knows what the future holds. The path is chosen it does appear and our destiny and the destiny of many others awaits us, every man, woman, and child as has always been and forever more will be a mystery. A mystery which always leaves one without question.....confused or lain in for the goal. America will make her choice(s) for choice(s) are constantly nearing forcing solutions, failures, defeats, and victories, and then there will be more choice(s) to again be made.....
Good things come in time, but none know when that time will be. And if we did we would choose to skip the trials, and tribulations, which make We the People strong......
My choice, I too would probably run, cower, and hide.
In most cases, it is the wise decision.
So thank you America, and my military heroes, for allowing me this privilege of being a coward, while the storm gathers. I shall see you as a brother and sister when the time has arrived to be called to the field, to protect, serve, and defend this nation, one nation under God, with liberty, and justice for all.
oopps, I hear those black helicopers again...../s
Funny you must not be able to trace your linage back very far. My family arrived in the Colony of Virginia in 1702, the Catholic Church had not been in England for years. All Colonies were under the control of the Church of England and there are two churches left of colonial times. Overwharton Parish in Stafford Virginia and one other. The records of the church were saved from the rebellion and then from the Union terrorist through great actions from those that were in charge at the time and the records of my ancestors were saved. The, silver, Aquia Church Communion Service made in approximately 1738- 1740 was saved twice also, even though the Union took over the church and used it as a stable for their horses as they burned all court houses, government buildings and private houses in the area. I do not know how you were escaping from the Catholic Church, when all Catholics had been either killed or run out of England when the migration started to the Colonies. Since all other Christian Churches and Christian Religions were started from break aways and protest of the Catholic Church (that is why they are called Protestants) your ancestors must have arrived from some other place that England.
How patriotic of them.
Sadly enough, it's the only viable political reason for promoting this debacle of a bill.
You must look deeper....
Behind the “front groups” you refer to, like the US Chamber, are the “future votes” of the people they aim to make full citizens, a proletariat class of DEMOCRAT voters...
Most people are just now looking at illegal immigration, but it has been going on since Carter.
Two events made it front and center in circa 2000 politics.
1) During the Clinton years, the Clinton administration simply rubber stamped millions here illegally, just ahead of the ‘94, ‘96, ‘98 and 2000 elections, bused them to the polls and “helped” them cast their first legal vote, for a DEMOCRAT of course.
Once Bush took office unexpectedly in 2000, that practice was haulted and all of a sudden, those millions previously rubber stamped and swept under the voting booth, became visible.
2) 9/11 made the American people interested in who was entering their country, how, and for what purpose. People who had been coming for years were all of a sudden seen as a potential threat.
You say “US Chamber of Commerce” and everyone automatically thinks “Republicans”. But if you look deeper into who is using the Chamber to help promote amnesty, all roads lead back to those in search of a burgeoning proletariat class who can always be counted on to seek bigger more intrusive government... DEMOCRATS...
The peacefully passive nature of the average American is regarded as reluctant consent by Washington DC. Sure, they hear your complaints; much like a parent (who knows best) hears the complaints of the child and regards them as only uneducated chatter that should have no real impact on parental decisions.
Unless somebody is willing to throw money at an issue, or march in massive numbers to barricade lawmakers into their offices until the listen, Washington doesn’t take dissent seriously. It’s as if they see voter dissent as nothing more than a recreational pastime, bound to exist at all times and not worthy of concern.
Are you sure your people came to America to escape the Catholic Church?
I think this writer is on to something. I’m thinking of calling talk radio shows to start a boycott. What I think we should start boycotting is fresh produce, presumably picked by illegal aliens.When lettuce starts to rot in the fields, perhaps then our magnificent leaders will get the idea. After that, we might move on the other vulnerable areas of the economy that depend on illegal labor.
Obviously writing to our Senators is having a limited effect. Maybe we should start boycotting all produce and let the produce rot in the fields.
Well said!
BRAVO...
I’ll second that!
How dare you bring facts to the table....LOL
LOVE your tag line too!
Amen!
Well... they have been trying to disarm us...
They know the day will come when Americans will once again vote with their trigger finger...
You're painting with a rather broad brush here. Most would settle for enforcement first, then a sane, orderly plan for a path to responsible citizenship for those who qualify, and deportation for those who do not. This bill, like our immigration policy for the past 20 years, doesn't even come close to sane or responsible.
What do we say in response to the threats of Microsoft, Oracle, etc., moving more operations overseas if we don't allow the cheap labor in here?
Microsoft and Oracle hire Mexican peasants with no education? Do they have rather large lawns, or maybe grow lettuce on the side?
Seriously, I realize you're talking about work visas for skilled workers, but the fact that tech visas are lumped into an omnibus of a bill that literally fulfills the wish list of every pro-immigrant lobbying group, while ultimately requiring the American taxpayer to pay the cost for the newly amnestieds' social services and medical care, and manages to thumb the government's nose at any notion of serious border enforcement, literally invites the severe backlash you're seeing now.
By the way, if Microsoft and Oracle have their wishes granted, are they signing some kind of agreement that they won't move operations overseas? Of course not; they could decide a year after this monster becomes law that it would be more cost effective to just get up and go, but the American middle class, which has no such option, will still be stuck with the results of the blackmail.
You bet they are! They have been getting parishioners to sign letters, and petitions right in church. That way they have been sending many, many more letters to Congress.
Remember when McCain said we'd all have to pay $ 6 per head for a head of lettuce if we didn't have illegals or guest workers to pick our vegetables? With the costs of supporting the illegals who are here now, we're probably paying at least that now in hidden taxes to supplement the agriculture industry so they can sell lettuce for $ 1+/head and have us pick up the rest of their costs while they make a nice profit by employing illegals.
I don't mean to single out only agriculture as there are lots of other businesses doing the same while we pick up their tab.
Yep, but instead of tea, we're going to have to throw those traitors into the drink. ;o)
They certainly do not give a flying crap about what WE the PEOPLE have to say about the issue. Bush is effectively telling us all to shut up and quit b****ing about it.
He sure is, and he's not the only one. Lindsey Graham, Trent Lott, John McCain, Ted Kennedy, et al. Not enough time in the day to list all of them. These people are evil and need to go away.
Personally, I’ve written letters to my California congresspersons (ugh) and the turncoat republicans on the issue and I receive in response form letters telling me essentially not to worry my little head over such matters....
I know what you mean. I've faxed, e-mailed and called mine many times, and I usually get a nice dictated letter back from them. Until this time, that is. I've been telling them that "there will be hell to pay if they vote for this shamnesty!" They don't care. Bottom line!
We all sort of laughed when the RNC fired their phone solicitors who call the regular joe’s. They fired their cover is all it is, the small contributions were a “beard” . . .
This is the reason, the quest, the insane outcome of the "Kennedy Wing".
Employment, SS, identification, border security, health, welfare and taxation will take a number and get on line BEHIND filling the voter lists.
A 40 million strong voting block of border crashers will offer politicians undeniable authority to dedicate government resources, create government agencies, rewrite existing federal laws and maintain a "for the people" mantra to disallow dissent.
But unless they are prepared to take up arms, they are likely to lose the battle over immigration reform.
Gee, never would have thunk of that option (duh).
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government ....Hey, JB Williams, why do you think control freak autocrat demoncrats((sic) like Rooty, Schumer and Kennedy want to disarm us and ban 'assault weapons'? Hint - it ain't to reduce crime sparky.when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security...
Thomas Jefferson
A recap:
- Roman Catholic Church
- Software giants Oracle and Microsoft
- The National Immigration Forum and the DC umbrella group it initiated, the Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform
- Essential Worker Immigration Coalition, which brought together over 40 of the largest corporate trade and manufacturing associations in the country, under the aegis of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
- National Council of La Raza
- New England Apple Council
- Unite Here, a union representing apparel, hotel and laundry workers
- United States Chamber of Commerce
- National Association of Manufacturers
- National Federation of Independent Business
- Business Roundtable
- Service Employees International Union
ping
A simple solution. If only our "leaders" had the will to do the right thing.
I know you are kind of kidding me; but this is graft pure and simple. I also know it may be near impossible to quit paying your taxes; however there was a Boston Tea Party.
It’s a shame that every American not band together on this. The only way to stop graft is to stop the money. Any other ideas? I don’t consider this idealistic either. Just trying to figure out how to stop the money.
Bump for TRUTH!
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