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Immigration and the President's Gut(11/2008 won't come soon enough for me!)
Real Clear Politics ^ | June 16, 2007 | Diana West

Posted on 06/16/2007 6:23:35 AM PDT by kellynla

Now that the president has tried to revive the comatose Senate amnesty bill, at least as big a question as whether he can bring it back to life is why on earth he would want to. Sure, he wants a win, because he hasn't had one lately. Sure, he wants a (gulp) legacy, because it's that clock-ticking time in his second term. But why this particular attempted win, which his political base sees only as betrayal? Why this hoped-for legacy, which would eliminate him from any conservative pantheon?

"It's a very emotional issue." That's what the president says by way of describing the acid turmoil his "comprehensive" immigration reform push has caused, particularly among conservatives. He's right on one level, but I get the impression he makes the point to dismiss his opponents' objections as volcanic eruptions of feeling, rather than legitimate and reasonable arguments.

At the same time, immigration reform is a very emotional issue for Mr. Bush himself. Too emotional. When it comes to illegal aliens -- in particular, illegal aliens from Mexico -- the man seems to be governed by his gut. And that, of course, is no way to govern.

I say this having gone back over the immigration file that has piled up during this administration. A strong emotional thread connecting Mr. Bush to the issue comes through stories about his beloved Mexican-born housekeeper/nannies, and through stories about his political associates with Mexican roots, such as Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, or campaign aide IsraelHernandez, whom,Newsweek noted last year, "Bush hired after hearing his family story." Mr. Bush just loves those family stories.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bush; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; noamnestyforillegals; readdailykos; votehillary2008; welcomedulurkers
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"Do you think we assimilate immigrants as well as in previous waves?" Mr. Bush's answer: "Absolutely.

The Feds can't even issue Passports in a timely fashion to those who want them and Bush thinks they can assimilate 20 million illegals. 11/2008 won't come soon enough for me!
1 posted on 06/16/2007 6:23:39 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: sauropod

review


2 posted on 06/16/2007 6:24:36 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx

ping


3 posted on 06/16/2007 6:24:48 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

bttt


4 posted on 06/16/2007 6:27:16 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: kellynla
WHY?

THIS IS WHY:

Bush's Plan for HIS Vision for "America"

5 posted on 06/16/2007 6:31:32 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (UNASHAMEDLY AMERICAN MADE and an AMERICA LOVER!)
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To: kellynla
I am beginning to worry that those on the left who have been calling Bush an idiot all these years....may be right.
6 posted on 06/16/2007 6:37:03 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: hophead

Pefectly natural. You’ve been reading FR lately.


7 posted on 06/16/2007 6:38:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kellynla
I’ve supported Bush for his entire Presidency, but he lost me on this one. Indeed, the Republicans will lose me altogether if they don’t stop illegal immigration and drop the idea of amnesty for those who have already broken the law to get here. The idea that we can’t throw 20 million illegals out of the US is BS. If we really wanted to, it could be done. Perhaps not overnight, but eventually.

Sorry, Mr. Bush, this one’s going to cost you and the Republicans dearly if you don’t wake up and smell the tacos.

8 posted on 06/16/2007 6:40:48 AM PDT by econjack
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To: 1rudeboy

:o) - well said


9 posted on 06/16/2007 6:49:24 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: kellynla

OK here’s my theory... its Karl Rove

He let the democraps win in ‘06 so the country could see the idiots that represent their leadership.

Then they promote the immigration bill, that they KNOW will never pass and will raise conservatives to action.

And ‘08 becomes a CONSERVATVE steamroller~!!

(A guy can dream, can’t he?)


10 posted on 06/16/2007 6:50:39 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: econjack

One issue looses you - one wonders how you survive in daily life which has to be full of give and take if not compromise.


11 posted on 06/16/2007 6:51:00 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: eeevil conservative

The dream of the US ruling all N. America is a very old idea. Goes back to the beginning of the country.


12 posted on 06/16/2007 6:51:08 AM PDT by DManA
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To: snugs

I’m not a single issue guy but there are certain red lines I am not prepared to see crossed.


13 posted on 06/16/2007 6:52:31 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Mr. K

Hey, when you’re done hitting the crack pipe, pass it over. I need that dream.


14 posted on 06/16/2007 6:53:46 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Ross Perot was a prophet)
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To: snugs
One issue looses you - one wonders how you survive in daily life which has to be full of give and take if not compromise.

You really need to cut back on the Kool-Aide. Bush has made quite a few deviations from conservative values. His push for shamnesty is just the last straw.

15 posted on 06/16/2007 6:56:36 AM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: DManA
I respect you for that but I do not see why that means that people are abusing and dismissing the President because he does not agree with them on this one issue.

You can argue, debate it etc but not surely say that it negates everything else he has done or said which is what so many are doing especially those who refer to him with the dreadful disrectpful nick name of Jorge.

16 posted on 06/16/2007 6:57:18 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: dirtboy

The President has never promoted total conservative views and I do not see he has been in consistent with what he has said over the last 7 years, if they do not agree with your views that is a different thing.


17 posted on 06/16/2007 6:59:04 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: snugs
Yepper. The destruction of one's nation is just one issue among many. Relax and work on the others. . .

18 posted on 06/16/2007 6:59:26 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: snugs
Compromise is great! I see Mohamed is now the #1 boys name in England. Truly fortunate to have shepherds in England so willing to"compromise" the English way of life.

I know quite a few Englishmen in my business. I told one of them the other day about the Mohamed thing. One started to get angry and the other said "don't worry about that, we're here now."

19 posted on 06/16/2007 7:00:22 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: kellynla
The President's gut ... acid turmoil ... volcanic eruptions ...

I see sickness here -- imminent barfing.
Take that any way you choose.

20 posted on 06/16/2007 7:00:42 AM PDT by LantzALot (Yes, it’s my opinion. No, it’s not humble.)
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To: snugs
The President has never promoted total conservative views and I do not see he has been in consistent with what he has said over the last 7 years, if they do not agree with your views that is a different thing.

She turns on a dime! Damn, that Kool-Aide sure helps you do amazing political acrobatics!

21 posted on 06/16/2007 7:02:45 AM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: econjack

There is ONE way the idiot Repubs can garner support for this giveaway of our country. Since “paying back taxes” was stripped from the language, it should be reinserted into the bill as a tax refund of 5 years worth for ALL Americans who have paid taxes. I personally would not like it but I am sure many would.


22 posted on 06/16/2007 7:03:53 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: snugs; econjack
"One issue looses you - one wonders how you survive in daily life which has to be full of give and take if not compromise."

Well sure it's just "one issue". The issue at hand deals with radically changing America as we know it, and changing it for the worst. I'm sorry for you if you don't understand why someone wouldn't be willing to "compromise" on such a matter.

23 posted on 06/16/2007 7:06:57 AM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: snugs
One issue looses you - one wonders how you survive in daily life which has to be full of give and take if not compromise.

There are some things you just don't yield to, and breaking the laws of the land is one of them...for me, at least.

Further, the "give and take" in my personal life does not impinge on the rights of others...illegal immigration does. Finally, the give and take I engage in on a daily basis does not break the law. Hopefully, you can see the difference.

24 posted on 06/16/2007 7:07:28 AM PDT by econjack
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To: kellynla
"America's soul has been gasping for survival for ages. This has nothing to do with Mr. Bush's "backlash" bogeyman -- which, frankly, sounds like another slap at Americans who want U.S. sovereignty upheld. Maybe Mr. Bush is just being emotional. But it's clear where his emotions lie, and it's not with conservatives. And I don't think they stop at the border, either."
25 posted on 06/16/2007 7:11:43 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Mr. K
(A guy can dream, can’t he?)

There's dreaming and then there's delusional dreaming.

26 posted on 06/16/2007 7:13:33 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: econjack

Guys this is to give Hillary the presidency, divide the party and get republicans to not show up for elections.

Vote Ron Paul if you are really mad about this. They don’t want him in, and BUSH doesn’t care. Bush is trying to do something so he can implement MARTIAL LAW. He wins either way.

Congress needs to stop all lawmaking and impeach BUSH.


27 posted on 06/16/2007 7:14:59 AM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: kellynla
"When you grow up in Texas like... I did," Mr. Bush recently told McClatchy Newspapers

George W. Bush was born in New Haven, CT. He attended secondary school at Phillips Academy in Andover, MA. He did his undergraduate work at Yale University in Hartford, CT. He obtained his graduate degree at Harvard University in Cambridge, MA. His parents' home is in Kennebunkport, ME.
28 posted on 06/16/2007 7:17:24 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: snugs

Enlighten me. Show me how to compromise with people that are ripping me off.


29 posted on 06/16/2007 7:17:37 AM PDT by BobS
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To: snugs

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1849363/posts


30 posted on 06/16/2007 7:27:57 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: kellynla
The Making of an Al Qaeda Operative
31 posted on 06/16/2007 7:29:31 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: kellynla

Guess maybe the rabid Bush haters might want to take a look at this. Seems the country hates your side just as much.

Bush actually has a higher approval rating then Congress.

The year of bad feelings, and not just toward the GOP

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1850785/posts


32 posted on 06/16/2007 7:38:54 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: snugs
With bush's love for hispaic illegals, he would wear the name 'Jorge' as a badge of honor.

And by the way, if you noticed how I shrunk the font on his last name, yes that was an attempt on my part at 'dreadul disrectpfulness' for his last name.

33 posted on 06/16/2007 7:41:05 AM PDT by Vision Thing (Z-Visa? Z-Visa? I don't need no stinkin' Z-Visa.)
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To: kellynla
Bush's America: Roach Motel by Ann Coulter
34 posted on 06/16/2007 7:43:52 AM PDT by kabar
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To: gpapa; snugs

Why bother snugs with such a story, gpapa? She likes it when illegals enter our precious country, so she’d be ecstatic to know that these same illegals are now entering our own homes while we are away at work.


35 posted on 06/16/2007 7:45:04 AM PDT by Vision Thing (Z-Visa? Z-Visa? I don't need no stinkin' Z-Visa.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Looks like the makings for the next Civil War.


36 posted on 06/16/2007 7:47:32 AM PDT by Vision Thing (Z-Visa? Z-Visa? I don't need no stinkin' Z-Visa.)
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To: LantzALot
"I see sickness here -- imminent barfing.

President Bush did barf after this amnesty bill failed a 2nd time. He was in Europe. After he barfed, he told Putin where to go and the Kyoto Treaty people where they also can go. Let's help him barf again!

Oh, and bring up this bill for a vote when he is in some other country again.

37 posted on 06/16/2007 7:50:26 AM PDT by BobS
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


38 posted on 06/16/2007 7:53:31 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: kellynla

His family history from the time of this countrys founding has more to do with it than anything else.

They have fought to stop us from becoming an independant nation and to see it’s destruction and elimination ever since.

He was raised to be a One World Socialist.


39 posted on 06/16/2007 8:04:02 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Vision Thing; snugs

Read also this from the FBI, dated June 13, 2007, regarding the Numero Uno supermarket chain, regarding murder, corruption and harboring of illegal aliens. http://losangeles.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel07/la061307usa.htm


40 posted on 06/16/2007 8:19:33 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: kellynla
"Do you think we assimilate immigrants as well as in previous waves?" Mr. Bush's answer: "Absolutely.

Of course. My family's scrapbooks are filled with photos of my grandparents and great-grandparents demonstrating in the streets of the U.S. waving Russian and Hungarian flags.

/s

41 posted on 06/16/2007 8:36:05 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: hophead
Speaking of taxes...better hold on to your wallets as your property taxes will be going up to provide new schools, jails, cops and teachers that will be needed for the current crop of illegals 'extended families'. Then the states will need more prison beds for the 6-7% of them that will commit felonies and need be put in state prisons.

They keep telling us this is NOT an amnesty.....it seems they don't read the dictionary..if it looks, quacks and walks like a duck, it's a dirty, ugly pig of an amnesty bill.

am·nes·ty –noun 1. a general pardon for offenses, esp. political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.

2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, esp. to a class of persons as a whole.

3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense. –verb (used with object) 4. to grant amnesty to; pardon.

42 posted on 06/16/2007 8:47:25 AM PDT by GailA (I'm a quilt-a-holic and proud of it. Run Fred Run!)
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To: kellynla

Remember that 11/2008 could be the time we jump out of the frying pan into the fire...could be Hillaryworld or Obamaville. We may have fond memories of today.


43 posted on 06/16/2007 8:51:09 AM PDT by Sender (I know I left my country around here somewhere. Reward if found.)
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To: MNJohnnie

You really think there’s some value in a poll?


44 posted on 06/16/2007 9:00:34 AM PDT by DManA
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To: eeevil conservative

45 posted on 06/16/2007 10:04:51 AM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it.)
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To: GoreNoMore

46 posted on 06/16/2007 10:10:58 AM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it.)
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To: kellynla
predicted he would try to resurrect it and call it something else. We have to keep our guard up. We need to keep the pressure up. We have no choice but to fight. The oligarchy wants cheap labor and a destruction of the middle class and the millionaire democrats want votes they can count on. A marriage made in HELL.

STAGE TWO is to go after the people who hire illegals. Start giving them fines and arresting them. Just catch ten or 100 of them on the nightly news. The magnet will dry up and most of the 12 million will go home by themselves.

As an addendum, we should anonymously call the IRS, people working "off the books" means taxes ain't being paid. Make anonymous fliers and hang them around the neighborhood, name names. It's time to embarrass these bustards, whether they give to the GOP or Rats, we don't need them.

CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

47 posted on 06/16/2007 10:39:51 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: snugs

Snugs, from your perspective in England, it may be that you are not aware of the repercussions of this bill, nor of the reactions against it outside of FR.

Did you know it has caused Trent Lott to declare war on talk radio?
Yesterday he declared that “talk radio is running America. We have to deal with that problem”.
Do you realize how absurd that is?

I respectfully submit that nearly everyone on FR has voted for President Bush, TWICE.

At issue ~ at STAKE ~ is our very sovereignty.
Respectfully, I’m not sure it can be appreciated by a non American, and I mean no disrespect to you.


48 posted on 06/16/2007 10:54:40 AM PDT by b9
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To: b9

Screw Trent Lott by telling him there is no ethnic or racial balance in his bill.


49 posted on 06/16/2007 11:14:06 AM PDT by BobS
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To: eeevil conservative

Good essay!


50 posted on 06/16/2007 11:29:29 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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