Spanish activist: oust Poland from European Union

Novopress ^ | Friday 8 June 2007

[lizol]

Spanish activist: oust Poland from European Union

Madrid, Jun. 7, 2007 (CWNews.com) - A Spanish homosexual activist and Socialist parliamentarian, Pedro Zerolo, is demanding that Poland be expelled from the European Union if the nation passes legislation banning homosexual propaganda in public schools.

Arguing that every European Union should afford equal rights to homosexuals, Zerolo said that policy under discussion for Polish schools violates that principle. He concluded his statement by inviting Poland to leave the Union, saying, “There are the doors!”

[BarbaricGrandeur]

Can we make Poland a state? The benefits would be wonderful. We’d get more conservatives in the country, and we’d have an endless supply of carpenters, plumbers and cleaning ladies.

You know Poland has an intelligentsia too.

[lizol]

Don’t take the risk by asking Mr Zerolo such a question , as he (being a “homosexual activist”) could show you some ... you know ... button to push ;-)))

[elcid1970]

“Are you Juan?”

“Si, si! Are you Juan, too??”

;^)

[LearsFool]

It’s gotta be rough for these weirdos, not being able to figure out how to use extension cords and such. Those complicated male and female connectors can get rather confusing.

[CPT Clay]

Pedro must be a communist. You know how “tolerant” they are of dissent.

[Proud_USA_Republican]

Best thing for Poland would be to tell the E.U. to go F#$K themselves and bail from POS communist organization.

The poles lived under the boot of communism and they can smell communist B.S. aka the E.U. constitution, coming from a mile away.

[Cuchulain]

Poland. The 51st State.

[DPMD]

First Spain caved in after train was bombed. Now they’re caving without the bomb. Why don’t we just oust Spain from the planet?

[Verdelet]

Geeeeeez.... now I’ll have nightmares...
*turn’s his night table’s light on, and crawls back to his cave a.k.a. bed*

;]

[Verdelet]

The problem might be that citizens of Poland are the third most intelligent nation in EU... not much of a plumber or carpenter I guess....

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/03/germans_are_bra.php

notice that it’s only 1 IQ point between our nation and the top 2... :)

[pjr12345]

Even better! We’d have carpenters and plumbers that would actually know what they were doing.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

Legally, can Poland be evicted from the EU?

[Little Bill]

I think that you Pollocks are only sane people left in Europe.

[wolf78]

Legally, can Poland be evicted from the EU?

Well, yes and no. I haven't read the exact text of this law, but from what I understand it should have no effect on the accession treaties Poland signed. I.e.: The Spaniard is just issueing hollow threats.

However, should a country conciously commit breach of contract (e.g. should Poland introduce the death penalty, the death penalty being an area that is covered by EU treaties other than the intricacies of each countries education system), it could lose it's voting rights in the EU institutions (while still being bound to the outcomes of such votes), which in effect is a way of showing a country the door.

As far as I know there is no "eviction" mechanism, the final decision would thus lie with the respective country.

But why would Poland leave the EU when it profits so much from access to the common EU market and increased energy security?

[Atlantic Bridge]

If any nation deserves US Protectorate Status.. It is Poland if they will accept it. Why send money to Germany by keeping troops there when we can invest it in Poland keeping troops there again with there permission of course.

This is a good point. Simply ask the Poles if they are willing to pass you an alternative to Ramstein and then move your troops there.

There might be a big problem. Most European countries (that includes eastern Europe) do not want such a immense American deployment for political reasons. Although there would be some local whining in Germany about the economical loss (which would not be that impressive anymore - the US deployment will be reduced to 25.000 soldiers until 2014 anyway), most German politicians would be quite happy to do without those bases since they are a continuous limit to German sovereignty. Ramstein is somehow the continuation of the occupation after WWII. It is not politically correct to say this, but it is the plain truth. Through those bases Germany was i.e. involved into the war in Iraq although the German gouvernment and practically all German people (there were only a fistful German supporters of the war in Iraq*) were politically against it. If Germany would have closed its airspace in 2003/2004 for American operations in correlation with Iraq the trans-atlantic relationship would have been over. This was the reason why Schroeder and most other Germans were forced to tolerate that German soil was being (mis)used (in the view of the vast German majority) as an "aircraft-carrier" for the Iraq war. Since the cold war is over those bases are not needed for the German security anyway. They are simply a American outpost for operations in the ME and elsewhere in this world. The Poles are well aware of this and I doubt that they want to take over the German role in this game.

* That includes me although I also dismiss the offical justification for this attack. I simply think that the elemination of Saddam Hussein was reason enough.

[Atlantic Bridge]

As far as I know there is no "eviction" mechanism, the final decision would thus lie with the respective country.

It is indeed interesting what would happen if the Poles would reintroduce the capital punishment i.e.. This would be something the rest of Europe could not tolerate. Since Poles and Polish politicians are extremely proud people, it would probably quite easy for malicious European politicians to provoke them to some blindfolded reactions.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

Appreciated. As you can see from this thread, most—if not all—of the Polish freepers seem to agree with you. It is primarily the American (or non-Polish) freepers calling for Poland to ditch the EU. Poland joined for a reason: it is in its economic interest to join the EU (plus, in a few years, the older members states will be obligated to let Poles freely move to and work in their countries).

[wolf78]

Poland joined for a reason: it is in its economic interest to join the EU (plus, in a few years, the older members states will be obligated to let Poles freely move to and work in their countries).

Many already do, like the UK and Ireland. The reason why the German labour market is still closed to Poles is a mutual agreement between Germany and Poland: For a number of years (I think 7 or 10 or so) Poles have no automatic right to work visas in Germany (unlike the French, Italians etc.), in return Germans face heavy restrictions when wanting to buy real estate in Poland.

It's because of the main fears on both sides of the border: Germans were afraid of cheap Polish labor and Poland didn't want German conglomerates buying up farm land.

Of course there are differences of opinion within the EU, there always were divisions: Germanic vs. Romanic countries, North vs. South, the UK vs. the rest, Italy vs. correct accounting, that is to be expected. And there will always be. One example: Soon France and Poland are goin to clash again as Sarkozy is strictly against Turkish EU membership, whereas the Kaczynskis are for it.

The important question is: Does that outweigh the benefits of being part of the world's largest single market (which is also a question of energy security)?

Sometimes Poland will get its way (as was the case with the EU's position towards Russia), sometimes it's the other way round.