Yes.
Should we?
Yes.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
The Labor Party became the ruling party in England, not America. Please excuse my error above.
I’m quite happy that my former RINO congressman (Joe Schwarz) is gone.
Get Senator Spectre (or however this slimeball spells his name). He is the epitome of scum and villany, a totally disgusting mass of flesh, the bottom of the smart barrel, the only example of a complete vacuum (without even quantum fluctuations) etc., etc.
When do we start? They still haven’t gotten the message from the ‘06 elections....
Lets make sure this bill never gets up off the floor first. When Bush gets back, he’s gonna’ try to ram it through again by leaning on the weak-sisters. WE CAN NOT LET THIS HAPPEN.
Problem is the states where these RINOs come from have entrenched state party RINO mechanisms in place that only endorse RINO candidates. True Conservatives would have to run as Independents.
I suggest Snarlin' Arlen.
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Collins and Snowe (ME0
Jack...
I see the problem being that we do not have people who stick to the principles and guidlines laid out in our party platforms, either the state or national platform...
Until people, who go by these documents, who are considering running for office pony up...We are left with these incumbents who glide by without really being held to task...And the party leadership doesn’t seem to want to rock the boat these days...
But, I do think a lot of this is starting to see the light...
And unfortunately we conservatives may be in the minority for a while longer till we recoop the losses of 2006, and 2008...
I hope we don’t widen the gap too much in 2008, and I really hope we can narrow it if a few more people see all of this for what it is...
Voter apathy, low turnout and fragmented groups withint the Republican party is what is going to put a damper on everything in 2008, unless we can get a really nice ticket for the top job then...
Rudy and McCain are not going to make the cut, Mitt is going to be the top dog going into the primaries...And Mitt is not my top pick by a long shot...When Fred jumps in it is going to change the entire makeup of the field...
And if the Hunter.Thompson folks can get together and strategize a bit...A ticket with those two guys would really give the democrats fits in 2008...
At least I know I and a few others would have a better warm and fuzzy about that election if that were to materialize...
War on the RINO’s.... it’s our clarion call and mission to remove these fakes and moles from the GOP.
In some states, it is very difficult to elect any kind of Republican but a RINO. You have to factor that in to the discussion.
That said, my #1 priority for 2008 would be unloading Flimsy Graham. #2 Chuck Hagel, who already has an opponent in the primary.
I will consider the immigration nightmare of the past month worth it if it allows us to knock Graham and Hagel out of the Senate and keep McAmnesty off the GOP presidential ticket.
Your thoughts are based on an invalid premis. The election of Rinos is the business of voters in the various states, not the business of the public at large.
Having said that, there must be a decision as to contributions to the Republican Senate committee that funds many campaigns.
My point is that we are under an umbrella that is not totally effective because some rain blows in under the sides.
The umbrella we have is better than no umbrella and constant rain.
Who gets to draw the line where an R turns into a RINO?
Your thoughts are based on an invalid premis. The election of Rinos is the business of voters in the various states, not the business of the public at large.
Having said that, there must be a decision as to contributions to the Republican Senate committee that funds many campaigns.
My point is that we are under an umbrella that is not totally effective because some rain blows in under the sides.
The umbrella we have is better than no umbrella and constant rain.
I am only 80% conservative, but I vote 100% Republican, do you want me to leave? Will the Republican Party be better off without my vote?
McCain should’ve been toast in the 04 senate primary. Hagel and Graham are gone in 08.
I allow myself to post one vanity every two years or so. Please indulge me and let me know what you think.
***That’s a good practice. Bump for later reading. Of course, my initial answers to the questions are Yes and Yes, but I’d need to look into it further.
not yet...........in order for conservatism to succeed, we MUST have the supreme court....the libs know this, and with 2 old coots on the court that could kick off any day, we need the white house and senate, ONLY ONE MORE TIME.... once we get the court, the purge can begin
What we have today are many politicians in the Republican Party that are essentially not conservative. People who are abandoning their constituents and even supporting legislation that runs contrary to the wishes of those that put them in power. I believe some on the hill are scared after the last elections and their is a perception that demographics are changing, the war is unpopular, and public opinion is shifting more left on some issues. The political ambulance chaser like McCain will attempt to ride this trend.
It’s simple to understand when one looks at the true nature of those in politics and their motivation. Their priorities are not God and country and near all are egomaniacs. They tend to think in terms self and then party. Selling out the very principals they say they had is acceptable, but that only proves these were never principals to begin with. Those playing these games today and abandoning their self proclaimed principals deserve to be labeled as RINOs and deserve to be politically destroyed because they do fit the description of demagogues. However, realize compromises always need to be made in politics. That’s how it was meant to be; even Reagan compromised on issues.
I’m not a republican any more, so there’s not much for me to do, but I promise - I’ll never vote for voinovich (my senator) ok?
But these efforts need to be on a State by State basis. Neither of our parties has ever been purely ideological. They have always been held together by a variety of considerations, some social, some ideological and some, very frankly, opportunistic. That will probably never completely change, and there are times when you need those who are there, merely because it gives them social identification, or they see some personal advantage, quite apart from any issue, in being there.
So, my point is, that we need to work in our local communities for "right thinking," principled candidates. But while that means going after some of the wrong thinking and unprincipled candidates, we should not make it sound so much like a purge that we lose all the non-ideological folk to the opposition. The reality is that most Americans are not really ideological--instinctively Conservative, but not necessarily able to define why, and nervous about being told what they must believe.
William Flax
Why don’t we just let Paris Hilton drive them?
This may be the first list of RINO Senators I’ve ever seen that has EXCLUDED Snowe, Collins and Chaffee.
Weird ...
*OF COURSE I mean that in the political sense.
FYI, I don't think that the conservatives could drive them to extinction without driving them all from the Party...which would ensure permanent minority status. Purists hate the idea of such compromise (so do I, most of the time, and I'm not a purist because I realize that the very nature of politics requires compromise most of the time), but that's life. You can be comforted knowing that there are lots of DINOs that drive the Dem purists as crazy as the RINOs drive us.
During the last few months, I think American voters have been educated like never before. The next Presidential election may have some of the best educated and informed voters in our history and now that they have a taste of power they will be holding their elected officials accountable. Among them are those that you named...and with all due respect...I’d put Lindsey Graham at the top of the list.
As far as RINO’s...chaff falls all by itself.
Some will argue that we can’t allow ourselves to fall out of majority. But that has already happened. The RINOs have ensured that the Republicans are ineffectual.
The RINOS by their mere presence got us Roberts and Alito. They also helped with the tax cuts. They also allowed Republicans to chair committes which control what gets voted on by the congress. Majority status with some RINOs is preferable to minority status with 30 principled conservatives who can basically be ignored.
Sure I’d rather true consevatives but you’re not going to get that from Maine, New Hampshire, and other left leaning states.
It’s an excellent vanity and you are 100% correct.
Electing RINOS has gotten us this mess today.
Question is how do we make our hit list and keep it in a permanent place and get people motivated?
However, he's disapointed me on too many issues. He voted to reinstate the Clinton gun ban after it expired. He's squishy on the war in Iraq. He wants to let lots of cheap labor into the country.
His main problem is that he looks on government as a benign entity that should be involved in just about everything. As Mayor of Cleveland, his big thing was "public-private partnerships." Shades of Benito Mussolini!
We in Ohio need to start looking for one or more good conservative candidates to run in the next Senatorial primary.
I emphasize candidates plural. Bob Bennett, who is still Chairman of the Republican State Central Committee, doesn't like contested primaries. His argument is that they eat up money that will be needed in the general election. However, a non-contested primary means that the Party officials pick a candidate without voter input, and he's the one we're stuck with in the general election. That's why for years we had to choose the lesser evil: Bob Taft, Betty Montgomery, Mike DeWine, George Voinovich, and on and on.
I spent over 10 years on my county Central Committee, including 4 years as Chairman. I saw too much of this crap from the inside. It's not too early to start thinking about a replacement for Voinovich.
Ohioans, how about Blackwell?
The entire contract with America was subverted by the RINO’s in the Senate.
This has discredited the whole movement.
We never had 50 conservative votes in the senate and we wonder why government spending has just gone up?
I see the goals in this post as a good start but still too small.
Eliminate the IRS and go to an import and sales tax only.
Deport at least half of the illegal by requiring all the majors city’s to ask for proof of citizenship and turn over suspects to the fed. If the don’t then cut their highway funds. They did this with the 55MPH speed limit and that was OK.
Make some tax free and lawsuit free zones in each state on federal land for businesses that we want to prosper like micro chips, machine and others. Watch them come.
Nation wide vouchers for all education. The monopoly school system needs to be broken up or our country will not survive.
Let’s focus on 3 or so RINO’s that we can oust in the primaries. Some are in small states so a small amount of money from a nation wide campaign could make all the difference.
Not that I like these bums who tried to cut a deal with Ted Kennedy, but lets beat the real opposition.
Everyone seems to have their own RINO-qualifying holy cow(s) (illegal immigration, WOT, RKBA, abortion, gay marriage, etc). I have no doubt that a coherence grassroots effort, even if limited to a moderately sized group of activists (mostly because the vast majority of Americans are apolitical), can have a significant enough impact to oust some liberals with an R in front of their names. The difficulty is in generating this critical-mass of consensus itself (unless the aim is simply to oust the extreme outliers who are wrong on everything save for one or two issues).
Worse still (if the drive for idealogical purity is to go beyond amelioration based upon only the acute diagnoses), with many issues, there is no agreement upon what constitutes a conservative stance. Take online gambling - would a conservative vote to support online gambling bans/regulations, or would a conservative vote to keep the government out of it? What about international aid? International military charity? Free trade? One man's "mere distraction issue" is another man's political obsession.
Anyway, these academic considerations aside, should there be a concerted effort to purge the Republican party of "outliers" (even if it increases the risk of flipping their seats to the rats)? I think so. Leftward drift of the Republican party (the recommendation of Wolf Blitzer) is a long-term problem, with potential ramifications no better than the political fruit borne of Democratic victory - we still end up with Marxist hedonism. The gamble is between three options - going there slowly (do nothing and accept RINO drift), going there quickly (purge RINOS and cede victory to the rats, while gaining no tangible benefit), and changing course (purging RINOS and reversing Marxist amoral drift of the last century). The latter is impossible under the status quo.
If we can find a good candidate like Toomey again, and now that we know how Arlen beat him (re-registering liberal Democrats as Republicans to vote in the primary and heavy duty support from the Republicrat party,) we should be able to persuade many of our conservative Democrat buddies to register as Republicans (at least long enough to vote in the primaries) since PA no longer has a conservative Senator, just a John Kerry rubber stamp and a liberal Democrat masquerading as a RINO.
and the other party has NO principles.
Sounds good to me. Where do we sign up?
Count me in.