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Polynesians Beat Columbus To The Americas
New Scientist ^ | 6-4-2007 | Emma Young

Posted on 06/04/2007 5:58:20 PM PDT by blam

Polynesians beat Columbus to the Americas

22:00 04 June 2007
NewScientist.com news service
Emma Young

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Prehistoric Polynesians beat Europeans to the Americas, according to a new analysis of chicken bones.

The work provides the first firm evidence that ancient Polynesians voyaged as far as South America, and also strongly suggests that they were responsible for the introduction of chickens to the continent - a question that has been hotly debated for more than 30 years.

Chilean archaeologists working at the site of El Arenal-1, on the Arauco Peninsula in south-central Chile, discovered what they thought might be the first prehistoric chicken bones unearthed in the Americas. They asked Elizabeth Matisoo-Smith at the University of Auckland, New Zealand, and colleagues to investigate.

The group carbon-dated the bones and their DNA was analysed. The 50 chicken bones from at least five individual birds date from between 1321 and 1407 - 100 years or more before the arrival of Europeans.

Two-week journey

However, this date range does coincide with dates for the colonization of the easternmost islands of Polynesia, including Pitcairn and Easter Island.

And when the El Arenal chicken DNA was compared with chicken DNA from archaeological sites in Polynesia, the researchers found an identical match with prehistoric samples from Tonga and American Samoa, and a near identical match from Easter Island.

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


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I believe sweet potatos from South America made it out into the Pacific Islands well before the date of these chicken bones.(?)
1 posted on 06/04/2007 5:58:22 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Coyoteman
GGG Ping.
2 posted on 06/04/2007 5:58:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Kon Tiki, Aku Aku, Thor Heryrdahl, etc.


3 posted on 06/04/2007 6:02:30 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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The polynesians, the vikings, the chinese, the atlantians, the celts? The only ones who count are the ones who made a go of it....namely the indians.


4 posted on 06/04/2007 6:04:29 PM PDT by pissant
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To: blam
I'm still wondering how the Polynesians made it to Hawaii. Doesn't anyone else find it odd that some men would sail out into the middle of a huge ocean in a canoe and find land 2000 miles away; and they would take women along?. What were they doing? Why would enough Polynesians set out to have any statistical chance of even finding Hawaii? Are all Hawaiians supposedly descendants of one Polynesian pair, or were there several? People who question the conventional wisdom would like to know.

ML/NJ

5 posted on 06/04/2007 6:06:52 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: pissant

Casino licenses for everybody who might have gotten here before Columbus!


6 posted on 06/04/2007 6:06:56 PM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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To: blam
Ancient Polynesians were great explorers, but tended to settle only in uninhabited islands. It seems that if they found other people, they would usually turn around and go home, she says.

Good policy; probably protected them from diseases for which they had no immunity. I guess you CAN choose your neighbors after all.

7 posted on 06/04/2007 6:07:12 PM PDT by Dysart
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Kon Tiki, Aku Aku, Thor Heryrdahl, etc.

DNA studies have found no evidence South American Indians settled Polynesia thus proving Heyrdahl's theories of the settlement of Polynesia from South America incorrect.

Interesting lesson though - because of the spectacular nature of his voyage, his flamboyance, etc. people haven't really noticed the key fact he was wrong, and some nerds in labs with DNA who aren't interesting were right.

8 posted on 06/04/2007 6:07:15 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Roy Tucker

ROFL!


9 posted on 06/04/2007 6:07:40 PM PDT by pissant
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To: blam

And the Vikings beat them anyway, also if the peace loving polys met them, there would have been village ruins.

Still the quote from Civilization 2 “Viking Scientists unlock the secrets of the Manhattan project” sends chills down my spine.


10 posted on 06/04/2007 6:13:53 PM PDT by Otaku6
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Scholars swim in choppy waters: Did Polynesians visit Southern California many centuries ago? The evidence — some fishhooks, a boat design, and a few words in common — is limited. But to some those clues are tantalizing, even persuasive.

[snip]

11 posted on 06/04/2007 6:14:51 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: blam

Somebody got corn to the Americas or they got it to the Middle East.

“Now when Jacob saw that there was corn in Egypt, Jacob said unto his sons,Why do ye look one upon another? And he said, Behold, I have heard that there is corn in Egypt: get you down thither, and buy for us from thence; that we may live, and not die.”—Genesis 42:1, 2.


12 posted on 06/04/2007 6:15:29 PM PDT by BGHater
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She needs to do some sailing in the Pacific, you don’t turn around and go home in the slug boats they had back then. Even modern sailing boats of today with GPS have a tough go to windward.


13 posted on 06/04/2007 6:19:47 PM PDT by gbs
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To: ml/nj
Those are all good questions. How 'bout: Where did they get the drinking water for this trek? The couldn't drink sea water. Did they carry their own? How? And how much? Esp. considering they didn't know of any islands along the way...or for that matter, they didn't know if there was anything anywhere out there.
14 posted on 06/04/2007 6:21:40 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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“I’m still wondering how the Polynesians made it to Hawaii. Doesn’t anyone else find it odd that some men would sail out into the middle of a huge ocean in a canoe and find land 2000 miles away; and they would take women along?.”

Seems obvious to me. Lose a war and run away. Their mission: simple survival.

Wars are endemic in more primitive societies. An excellent book on the subject is: War Before Civilization.

15 posted on 06/04/2007 6:21:52 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: BGHater
Somebody got corn to the Americas or they got it to the Middle East.

“Now when Jacob saw that there was corn in Egypt ...

"Corn" in England (where the KJV was translated) used to mean wheat.

16 posted on 06/04/2007 6:28:23 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: BGHater

Corn was the word the English used to use for grains. And the new world had maize, which English settlers called corn. So the “corn” in the Bible, which by the way is not the language the Bible was first written in, was not what we call corn today.


17 posted on 06/04/2007 6:28:52 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: blam
Polynesians -- And Their Chickens -- Arrived in Americas Before Columbus
(The National Geographic Version)
18 posted on 06/04/2007 6:28:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: Strategerist
The Clan Of Ina
19 posted on 06/04/2007 6:32:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: yankeedame

Drinking water - haven’t some shipwrecked people survived a long time on the flesh of fish? And nets full of green coconuts might come in handy. Anyway, if you could sail 100 miles a day (and it’s possible to sail 200) you could cross 2000 miles of ocean in three weeks. The Polynesians had some massive canoes, room for lots of coconuts. Finding the dots in the ocean is a whole other problem.

See the book The Last Navigator for some info on how the Polynesians did it.

Mrs VS


20 posted on 06/04/2007 6:39:55 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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