Posted on 05/31/2007 6:07:30 PM PDT by goldstategop
Proposition 187 drove Hispanics from California’s Republican party! So argue Jeb Bush and Ken Mehlman in today’s Wall Street Journal, recycling one of the most cherished myths of the Open Borders Lobby. According to this nostrum, had Californians, fed up with the costs of providing free public services to illegal aliens, not voted to require legal residency to receive those services, California would today, in Bush and Mehlman’s phrase, still be “Reagan country,” its burgeoning Hispanic population reliably pulling the lever for Republicans.
Too bad they didn’t read their own op-ed. No Republican presidential nominee has won California since 1988, they report. Prop. 187 must be one powerful toxin, if it can alienate Hispanics six years before it even exists.
In fact, California’s transformation from “Reagan country” to labor-union country is the far more likely consequence of the growing Hispanic population per se and the corresponding outflow of white Republicans to other states. In 1990, California was one-quarter Latino and 57-percent white; in 2000, it was 32-percent Latino and 47-percent white; in 2005, Latinos constituted 35 percent, and whites 43 percent, of the population. Those shifting demographics have been accompanied by the growing clout of the Democratic party, and of California's public-service unions, not because of some vestigial memory of 187, but because they appeal to low-wage, low-skilled Hispanics. Los Angeles politics are now closely intertwined with the unionized Left, now that Latinos in 2005 made up 47 percent of the population and whites, 30 percent. The idea that Prop. 187, now 12 years old, is driving this massive shift is fanciful. California provides a glimpse of the likely political future if poor Hispanics continue to be the fastest-growing demographic in the country.
Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
-—This scenario is why Rush Limbaugh has labeled the amnesty bill now before the Senate “The Destroy The Republican Party Act.” -—
Maybe yes, maybe no, but it sure will doom the Republican Party as a conservative vehicle.
From a political standpoint, African-Americans basically owe every step of their progress to the Republican Party -- from the abolition of slavery to the advances of the civil rights era. The Democratic Party has been hostile to the freedom and liberty of African-Americans for GENERATIONS, at this point.
And yet African-Americans have consistently been the most reliable -- to point of being pathologically self-destructive, mind you -- supporters of the Democratic Party for as long as they've been that party's target of abuse.
Bush and Mehlman haven't got even a single shred of evidence to suggest that Hispanics will be any different.
I generally like Mehlman and Jeb, but asserting that prop was the cause is silly.
Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
“Ken Mehlman teams up with another Bush to help destroy America”
We now know the Bush clan has been bought, and the question is WHO bought em?
Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
Vicente Fox, the Log Cabin Republicans (Mehlman) and the Globalists.
As a native of Calif. and San Diego, Heather is so
correct. The Dists. the Mexicans live have Mostly Democrat Reps and Democrat St. reps.
It is scary to see people you would like to admire dish out total bilge.
Probably the only Hispanic that votes Republican is Jeb’s wife-————and for all we know maybe she doesnt either.
Jeb and Mehlman spewing La Raza propaganda—again.
¡Sin fronteras! ¡Amnistía!
Do they really believe we are going to back down or off of this bill? I say absolutely not.
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Jeb did not instill American values in his Mexican wife - who was caught by US Customs smuggling in undeclared goodies she bought outside the US -
Jeb evidently was too busy to give his daughter American values too - a pattern of repeated arrests of cocaine
Jeb seemed pleased when he sent his son George P. Bush to Mexico City to campaign for George W. Bush and also recently as his son spoke before La Raza for amnesty and open borders for illegal aliens
This would be a win-win strategy that would please both his conservative base and Hispanics, but Bush is still stuck on the lose-lose strategy of pissing on fellow Republicans and getting nothing for the Hispanics.
Bush has wasted six years, he’ll be hard pressed to do it, but it could be done.
More lies have been spread about Prop 187 than I can count.
And a lot of those lies by GOP shills like Jeb Bush and Ken Mehlman, may they be exiled to Mexico.
Good to see Heather MacDonald striking back for the truth.
And yet African-Americans have consistently been the most reliable -- to point of being pathologically self-destructive, mind you -- supporters of the Democratic Party for as long as they've been that party's target of abuse.
Bush and Mehlman haven't got even a single shred of evidence to suggest that Hispanics will be any different.
Agreed. Well-stated.
“The Destroy The Republican Party Act.”
I’m always going to be an American and a Republican. I don’t know what “the others” will call themselves.
“It is scary to see people you would like to admire dish out total bilge.”
The lesson is be more careful whom you respect.
“If Bush would deign to listen to, and work with fellow Republicans he could secure the borders first, for the entire world to see, then he could come back to congress and they would gladly pass guest worker, amnesty and citizenship.”
If that’s the case, then I thank God Bush didn’t listen. The worst thing that could happen is “guest worker, amnesty and citizenship.”
So basically the author is saying that Hispanics only vote for Republicans if Republicans continue to hand out goodies.
Sounds more like Democrat voters, because Democrats are, in the long run, more reliable "handers out of goodies".
I wanted to call in, but I get the show an hour behind.
My question to Morris was going to be:
“How have the Blacks repaid Lincoln for freeing them?”
Got that right. It was the uncontrolled, open borders that has lost California.
Not 187.
I'm not crazy about the idea either, but some sort of deal may be acceptable after we finally get secure borders.
That's definitely memorable.
California is transition to a Mexican style government, plain and simple. The government reflects the values of the populace that live there.
key word, would LIKE to respect.
WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!
Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.
Jeb Bush? Barf! Hell, that goes for the whole Bush family.
Ah, a majority of hispanic voters, ie citizens, voted for Prop. 187. Most of 187 was overturned by left-wing judges. How does a never implemented law have such an impact on voters?
Hil was out in LA to get the Mayor’s Hispanic rub of the green and got it. The GOP will be lucky to get 20 % of the Hispanic vote in ‘08. But, that is not their fault. They have no competent policy on immigration and this Bill is a horror. Hispanic Americans want truth, some guidelines and not pandering in my experience. But, the GOP is lurching toward what La Raza and the DemHispanics deem is the only way to ‘appease’ them. Sort of like when Dems appease the AlSharptonJesse black Americans as the real, real black community. So, the Gop can’t win since they play the same pandering game. My guess is that all Americans, white, black, brown, yellow, red, polka dotted, would like the GOP to ennunciate their solid Reaganconserv ideas and agendas and let the chips fall where they may. At least as much as the times afford.
I’m always going to be an American and a Conservative first. I’m only a “Republican” so that I can vote in the primaries.
I have heard 4 people say they have left the Republican party this week....I dont recall ever hearing that before!
That is so right. No one is against illegal Mexicans. It is illegals of all kinds that need to be denied any type of goodies.
Well the Republicans better get 100% of the illegal vote since they just lost their base of conservatives..hmm maybe they are right Hispanics will vote Republican because the only Republicans left will be liberals.
Ooops...
I’ve lived right in the middle of the aftermath of the 1986 amnesty. And with a defacto policy of limitless ‘guest workers’, aka illegal aliens.
Before you buy into the idea that anything like that is good for the country live in southern California for a year. Of course, you won’t be able to recall what it was like here before, but the impact will be strong all the same.
Thats exactly what I thought when Tony Snow started saying this was good for Conservatives.
IMO, that is because, in years gone by, the Democrat Party helped the less fortunate. However, this no longer works because with more and more poor non-working and poor working class, the greater the burden on middle and upper-middle class & the rich to foot these cost. Plus to many social programs have been created that take our tax dollar. Therefore, many people, African-Americans included, are now learning that this way of thinking will most likely create more working poor because of the greater tax burden they have. They're starting to look to other parties to provide a way for them to succeed. Like a party that allows them to keep more of their money, which in turn allows them to be self-sufficient.
And, IMO, the churches (except for most Catholic) are failing the people, not the government. Churches & Charities are the ones that are suppose to be helping the poor, not the government. Churches are way too worried about having grand churches (like a Tower of Babel?) and big cars and fancy jewelery and homes.
The real world:
In a democracy with the ability to tax and redistribute wealth it is inevitable that the low end will vote to tax everyone above them. Adam Smith and de Toqueville both saw this as the eventual collapse of the American Experiment.
If low earning immigrants are allowed (legal or illegal) to concentrate they will change and control local environments (cities).
Any rational immigration policy needs to assure that the immigrants are widely and thinly dispersed so this can’t happen.
“Bush and Mehlman haven’t got even a single shred of evidence to suggest that Hispanics will be any different.”
Exactly. In fact, there’s plenty of evidence to the contrary. Take a map of Texas or Florida and match up the counties with the highest Hispanic populations to the counties that vote Dem. They match up almost perfectly. I imagine the same is true in California, Arizona, New Mexico, etc.
The old canard that “they’re Catholic therefore they’re conservative” is just B.S. Hispanics tend to be low-skilled, low-wage workers. That screams Dem voter. Given morality vs. pocketbook, most people will vote pocketbook every time.
Bush busted on another lie.
Other than Cuban exiles in Florida, can anyone name any hispanic population, anywhere in the country, that has given a GOP candidate the majority of its votes? It's never happened. George Bush boasts about getting 40 percent - supposedly - of hispanics in 2004. Memo to George: 40 percent is a LOSING percentage. It's less than half. Its a minority of the votes. Look at Mexico. A socialist country, the voters vote for socialism. Why do we expect them to vote Republican when they move here? Instead, they'll vote for socialists like the politicians in LA. George Bush is killing the GOP and giving the US a socialist future by inviting tens of millions of Latinos to become US citizens and voters.
Is Ken Mehlman associated with the Log Cabin Republicans?
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