Trust the DHS? The agency that lied to congress about Ramos/Compean under oath?
Posted on 05/29/2007 9:15:20 PM PDT by JLS
Would this be an acceptable Immigration reform bill:
1. Fund all of the fence previously authorized. All the triggers for hiring and enforcement in the current bill still hold and must be certified by the Secretary of Homeland Security.
2. Allow any working illegal immigrants currently in the US apply for guest worker status. Guest worker status to be granted to illegal immigrants with an otherwise clean criminal record. The fine for past violations of the immigration laws will be reduced to $1,000. After all the fine no longer leads to a path to citizenship. This is now a financial transaction.
3. Reserve citizenship only for children of citizens born anywhere and children of legal permanent residents born in the US. Explicitly, say children born in the US to temporary workers and visitors are NOT US citizens.
4. Cut off all federal funding to any city that refuses to enforce federal immigration law or in any other way acts to encourage illegal immigration.
5. Explicitly state that temporary immigrant workers are not eligible for unemployment compensation, food stamps and general welfare benefit, but are eligible for emergency medical care.
6. Require that businesses check the new data base for employees and that businesses maintain some minimum of health insurance on temporary immigrant workers.
7. Require that all voters in elections federal, state or local be US citizens and show ID at the polls.
1. Gives the left, getting these people "out of the shaddows."
2. Gives the right, an end to anchor babies and better border and election security.
3. Gives business, it work force.
So Freepers and others would you support such a bill? What would you add to or subtract from such a bill?
A moratorium on immigration would be acceptable.
Post your vanity in the Personal or General section, not the News site.
1) Fund and GUARD the previously authorized fencing, actively enforcing it.
2) Open up guest worker status for Mexicans, Brazilians, Poles but open the application centers in Mexico, Brazil and Poland.
3) Give temporary amnesty to any illegal alien in the United States that turns in their employer - Fines of $40,000 per illegal worker will be used to fund the hundreds of remote application centers for those living illegally in the United States, and to pay for the huge bill of accurately fingerprinting, and background checking the illegal before granting guest worker status to the whistleblowers.
I’d say that’s a good start.
I live in a world filled with migrant workers.
Here’s the reality:
None that I know are in the least interested in US citizenship on the terms proposed by Bush.
They DO like the worker visa program — for now. They hope to return to Mexico some day — which they consider much warmer, kinder, more decent and caring, and more civilized.
I know this to be true.
And we are supposed to give the socialists something because?........
There needs to be government agencies fully funded to deport any illegals or guest workers or amnestied illegals who do not comply
Full and complete computer database of all those who enter on visas and when they depart or stay here illegally. They need to be deported too once they violate terms of entry
The conservatives in congress need to just stand firm and defeat the attempts of the dems to grant the illegals amnesty. Make them leave first, then let the dems try to scam the public for amnesty.
The LEGAL citizens don't want any amnesty for the illegals, the want our borders secure.
Here’s the reality:
None that I know are in the least interested in US citizenship on the terms proposed by Bush.
Are they interested in Z VISA and green cards?
They DO like the worker visa program — for now. They hope to return to Mexico some day — which they consider much warmer, kinder, more decent and caring, and more civilized.
I know this to be true.
It's not true. Many will stay and never return
All illegal aliens have ten months to get their ass over the border and apply from Mexico for immigration to this country.
If you are found here after ten months, you are thrown in a detention camp, and forcibly deported. Also, you lose the right to immigrate to the US forever.
We then decide how many people are needed each year and choose those according to their skills.
The fence gets finished—all 700 miles of it. The rest is manned by the US Army until the fence is extended. Anyone brandishing a weapons at US forces gets shot at.
All prisoners of foreign extraction in our prison system get sent to their home country(it’s cheaper than incarceration) and forever banished from being able to immigrate to the US in the future. That alone will save California $ 8 billion in new prison construction.
Remittances to foreign countries will be taxed at ten percent. Still a bargain.
Oh, and let’s lose the “come out of the shadows” baloney. They are not in the shadows.
Sorry we can't be more civilized and caring while they're stealing our money. Wish they would see us as kind.
Perhaps if we gave them $5 dollars in benefits for every dollar they make instead of $dollars we would appear kinder to them.
So you opt for my point one, fund the fence and the additional funding, but otherwise accept the status quo?
Come out, come out of the shadows poor victims. That means you too, drug dealers, bank robbers, molesters..... ;)
LOL!
The left gets soemthing from reform, because without that you don’t get my proposed bill and in my proposal you don’t get an end to anchor babies, secure elections and an end to sancutary cities. The left likely would not accept all of that anyway, but I wonder what Freepers would accept to get an end to anchor babies, secure electios and santuary cities.
I think the negotiators clearly did not get the GOP base enough to avoid great opposition to the current bill. I want to know if this proposal or something like it would have worked.
1. Lock down the borders (per existing laws).
2. Enforce the laws and prosecute & fine employers for hiring illegals.
3. Get rid of the anchor baby provisions.
4. Stop all the freebies for illegals (non-emergency medical, schooling, welfare, etc.)
5. Anyone who hasn't "self deported" and is caught here (1st time), gets their DNA into a database before being deported to go get in line to do it right. If they're caught here, being illegal, after that, then not only are they barred (for life from entry), but the members of their family as well. Criminals (bangers, drug dealers, human traffickers, etc.) don't get ANY second chances!
“If you are found here after ten months, you are thrown in a detention camp, and forcibly deported. Also, you lose the right to immigrate to the US forever.” Gee, do I hear an echo? The 1986 bill says if you’re deported and are caught back in the country again, you lose the right to immigrate to the U.S. for 10 years. Not that it has been enforced. And since we’re going to grant amnesty to all of them caught here illegally, why would that make any difference?
Yes, and he is even more scary looking in person.
Good post. I would add that no child of two illegal aliens gets citizenship. Attrition would work.
Never work politically. The left could care less whether these folks are “out of the shadows.” That’s the rhetoric. What the left wants is voters. The pending bill gives them all the voters they could possibly want over a 20 year period. The pending bill gives businesses it’s workers. It pretends to give American Citizens border security. But to deny a path of citizenship and anchor baby status will eliminate any interest of the left in passing the bill. Also, to actually set up funding of the fence would eliminate leftist support. They fully intend, along with McCain and the White House, to kill the fence in appropriations.
Also, check out the number of public assistance, Social Security, disability checks and other benefit payments from the U.S. going to post office boxes in towns on the Mexican border.
They are illegal. The Dims seem not to like that and use this shaddow terminology. I only used to to describe what they were getting.
As for your proposal it has not chance to pass. Thus you are opting for 12 million illegals growing to 30 or 40 million how soon? The real question becomes is the status quo more unacceptable to the Dims or conservatives. I guess we will see.
Hate that word “triggers”
Or is that the merciful demise of the American citizen tax-payers?
You have to be kidding. I would not trust this man to verify ANYTHING.
He is a lap dog for the lobbyists. On his watch the ports went to a Muslin company and even now they are not secure.
The man is a fool and has no interest our security.
NO BILL until the CURRENT laws are enforced and the WHOLE wall is built
I’m for no capitulation. Enforce laws. Deport. Defend borders.
We should get control of the borders, and get back to a place where we can control the inflow (this requires border security and disincentives for abettors). Only then should we be discussing how much to reward the ones who snuck in while we were asleep at the switch.
Fine, but I did not ask for you wish list. I asked what could be added or subtracted from a bill such as I proposed that we could support, but would have a chance to pass. You pie in the sky proposal [and I know one might call mine that too] is opting for the status quo. That is opting for 12 million plus illegals and growing.
The 7 Necessary Ingredients to REAL Immigration Reform:
1. Build a long, strong, effective fence.
2. Increase border patrols and assure that agents have real enforcment power. (No “catch and release”, etc.)
3. DENY illegal aliens access to any government services, including schools. Require mandatory, automatic deportation of any illegal alien who ATTEMPTS to ACCESS any government service, whether such service is federal, state, or local. (Note: The only exception would be dire-emergency medical treatment, followed immediately [after sufficient recovery time] by mandatory, automatic deportation.)
4. REQUIRE a MANDATORY JAIL sentence for any illegal alien found to be holding fraudulent identification, followed by mandatory, automatic deportation. (Note: Lengthier jail sentences would be MANDATORY for the “identity theft” of living American citizens.)
5. Require fines and criminal proceedings against any employer (including company officers and responsible hiring personnel) who knowingly hires and employs illegal aliens.
6. “Anchor babies” (babies born to illegal alien parents) are to be DENIED citizenship, and are to be immediately deported along with their parents. (Note: This provision should be made retroactive, say, sixteen years.)
7. Any law enforcement officer (federal, state, or local) who, in the course of normal law enforement activity, becomes aware of an illegal alien’s status is REQUIRED to notify the appropriate federal authorities immediately and hold that alien in custody for no more than three days (sufficient time for federal authorities to take custody).
(Note: Jail sentences for any illegal alien criminality noted above must be MANDATORY MINIMUM sentences in order to avoid “end runs” by liberal activist Democrat judges.)
The above seven provisions, if passed, will fully resolve the illegal alien problem. Illegals will disappear BY ATTRITION since they will be: a) unemployable, b) unable to access government welfare and other services, and c) unable to enroll their illegal alien children in government schools. Many, if not most, illegal aliens will return to their countries of origin voluntarily since there is little reason for them to remain in the US.
(Note: No logistically burdensome and expensive “roundup” of 12 million-plus illegal aliens is required, recommended, or even necessary. Therefore, the “red herring” argument against tough measures can be dismissed out of hand.)
Meanwhile, reasonable LEGAL immigration laws should be streamlined, strengthened, and ENFORCED in order to address the legitimate needs of employers.
I wouldn’t support anything less than exit82’s suggestion.
The 14th Amendment has "said" this for over a century, but stupid courts in the past 40 years have misinterpreted it.
Gee, if Amnesty doesn't work for them, then I guess they'd hate my ideas. No loss.
Ask them if it would be okay for us to tax them say, 20%(or more), on all money transfers back home? Of course if they wanted to avoid that tax, I guess they could carry the loot back across the border - once.
Preach it bro!
Certainly my proposal would smoke out the Dims looking for more voters compared to concern about people. That would be a plus for my type of proposal whether it passes or not.
So you too are for the status quo and 12 plus million illegals and growing?
End special rights (Affirmative Action) for “hispanics”
-PJ
Number 2 is a deal killer.
Why is this so freaking hard to grok? Noooo amnesty. Not this way, not that way, not with ham, not with eggs, not tomorrow, not next Tuesday, not painted blue.
Utterly give up the idea of turning every illegal already here into a regularized naturalized anything.
Except someone more trustworthy must certify the above, this is a good small step.
2. Allow any working illegal immigrants currently in the US apply for guest worker status. Guest worker status to be granted to illegal immigrants with an otherwise clean criminal record. The fine for past violations of the immigration laws will be reduced to $1,000. After all the fine no longer leads to a path to citizenship. This is now a financial transaction.
Nope. It rewards law breakers above those desiring to legally be here.
3. Reserve citizenship only for children of citizens born anywhere and children of legal permanent residents born in the US. Explicitly, say children born in the US to temporary workers and visitors are NOT US citizens.
Better: retroactively issue an understanding from Congress that the Constitution does not grant citizenship to those whose mother was not here legally at the time of birth.
4. Cut off all federal funding to any city that refuses to enforce federal immigration law or in any other way acts to encourage illegal immigration.
Include education funding and also proportional state funding.
5. Explicitly state that temporary immigrant workers are not eligible for unemployment compensation, food stamps and general welfare benefit, but are eligible for emergency medical care. Any workers in such a program must apply at the embassy or perhaps centers in their home country. Anyone that we ever caught here illegally in ineligible.
6. Require that businesses check the new data base for employees and that businesses maintain some minimum of health insurance on temporary immigrant workers.
Instead mandate that workers under such a program are entitled to the same health benefits as an American employee and at the same terms. Any temporary worker must be paid as well as any previous American worker that held the position.
7. Require that all voters in elections federal, state or local be US citizens and show ID at the polls.
A good move that the Democrats would take as a poison pill and would never compromise on.
Anything less rewards people breaking the law, both illegal aliens and the employers.
1) Cut of all welfare, college scholarships, Medicare, Medicaid,health (unless it’s a life or death situation)
2) Build the wall. It works in Israel. Why do you think you do not hear much about the suicide bombings.
3) Over 1/3 of our prisons are filled with Illegal Aliens. Send them back to their homeland. If their homeland will not take them, then offer them to Russian prisons in Siberia for $65 a week. That is a lot cheaper than the current $50,000 a year.
4) Fine companies that hire illegals. Make it steep. If caught again, then shut down the business.
5) Offer them a free ride back to their country of orgin. Load them up on cargo planes, and send them on their way.
I guarantee that would work.
Ok, I’ll mark you down as in favor of the status quo, that is 12 million plus illegal immigrants and growing. I am surprised so many on here favor that.
Well, considering the hour, and the fact that I'm tired and ready to sign off, I was trying to be expedient, rather than nit picking your bill. Besides, other than enforcing existing laws, and adding the anchor baby and DNA provisions; why do we need a new bill that won't be enforced by the PTB in any case?
We need to hold the feet of the a-holes in DeeCee to the fire and make them enforce the existing laws before we talk about anything else.
I'm tired of being $#!t upon by the people that supposedly represent us, but that with ever increasingly seem to think that we work for them.
Ok, I’ll mark you down in favor of 12 million plus illegals too.
There is a good Senate bill that even addresses the anchor baby problem. Jim Inhofe introduced it earlier, as well as last year, but the leadership won’t talk about that!
INHOFE INTRODUCES IMMIGRATION BILL
May 2, 2007
WASHINGTON, DC – U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) today once again introduced his immigration legislation aimed at addressing the ever-increasing influx of illegal immigrants to the United States and its strain on society. Inhofe’s ENFORCE - Engaging the Nation to Fight for Our Right to Control Entry -Act (S.1269) increases U.S. border security, emphasizes greater enforcement of existing immigration laws and prevents amnesty and other shortcuts for illegal immigrants.
“Illegal immigrants continue to cross our country’s borders, strain our economy and exploit our resources,” Inhofe said. “The gravity of this situation warrants that Americans of all political stripes come together to address this problem immediately. I will not stand idly by and watch our great nation collapse under the pressures of uncontrolled illegal immigration; this is a crisis and one that must be addressed aggressively.
“Simply granting citizenship to immigrants, who are currently in our country illegally, is not the answer. We must enhance our border security, hold those accountable who encourage illegal immigration and ensure that those who violate our laws by entering our country illegally do not have this illegal activity easily forgiven and even rewarded with permanent residence or citizenship. Our nation’s future rests on Congress’ actions of today, and the ENFORCE Act is a strong step in the right direction to help solve our growing problem of illegal immigration.”
Major Provisions in Inhofe’s ENFORCE Act:
· Establishes the National Border Neighborhood Watch (NBNW) Program allowing retired law enforcement officers to assist Border Patrol agents by reporting illegal border crossings.
· Makes unlawful-presence in the United States a felony.
· Establishes an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
· Authorizes funding for online immigration training for state and local law enforcement officers.
· Eliminates the practice of granting automatic U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants in an effort to reduce ‘anchor babies.’
· Establishes an independent verification system for Social Security numbers; also mandates that immigrant’s Social Security numbers expire when visa runs out.
· Establishes electronic birth & death registries to fight fraudulent Social Security cards
· Helps reduce Individual Taxpayer Identification Number abuse.
· Empowers state & local law enforcement to carryout immigration laws (but does not make it mandatory).
· Establishes penalties for most flagrant employer tax violations—i.e. if an employer willfully files incorrect tax returns, they will be assessed the maximum penalties available.
· Makes it illegal to operate day laborer centers for illegal aliens and to give them unemployment assistance.
· Eliminates in-state tuition benefits for illegal aliens.
Certainly you view that any bill is pointless because the elites in DC or the bureaucracy maybe will see to it that it is not enforce is a very serious one. If I come around fully to that belief, then the status quo is better than any bill.
Impeach any judge who pretends they can stay here because some I wasn't dotted.
Enforce the law at the border. This is not something I am going to negotiate for or grant concessions to obtain, it is already the law.
If you don't want people to abide by that law, there are a few dozen others I won't be abiding by, either.
I say we invade Mexico and divide it into 2 states. That will put some spice in their taco’s.
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