Posted on 05/26/2007 6:22:50 PM PDT by neverdem
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Hehe, from now on he's "junior."
Much better name than king jorge.
“Karl, youre working for the Democrats.”
And so does your boss. Has it anything to do with sour grapes?
Well, one thing this has succeeded in doing, and I don’t think it was their intent, is mainstreaming the immigration debate.
Up to now, they could pretend that only a few “racists” and one-issue extremists objected to illegal immigration and amnesty. Now, however, the cat is out of the bag.
bttt
Jim McGreevey, is that you?
Maybe the Rats pay better. Karl is a political prostitute, he'll do anything for votes
WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!
Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them.
Do we call Republicrats the DOP?
Big bump for Junior...

Very clever—it almost made me laugh.
Then I remembered this whole thing is very, very real.
Whose bright idea? (Boondoggle: Changing the lightbulbs at NJs new Frank Lautenberg Station) If the dems can get millions of new voters from this immigration bill, expect more corruption like the Lautenberg nonsense.
Why a Bloomberg run could matter
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Immigration and Usurpation - Real reason why your Senator wants this immigration amnesty bill
I read part of it. Bookmarking for tomorrow when I’m awake. But I think expanation for Republican support can be simplified by one thing...corporate blackmail.
Thanks for the link. Not so long ago, I thought the dems might go the way of the Whigs. If this amnesty goes through, it might be the GOP.
“My question is: why should you mind if it fails? Indeed, why were you so keen on it in the first place? Sure, you want to safeguard cheap labor for corporate donors to the GOP but that’s not enough to explain this bill.”
THAT IS THE REAL MYSTERY.
Bush seems to have given up on other things without a big fight. Why does he soldier on with this issue???
He doesnt need to, for sure.
Another good thing, as a result of this coming up and being resolved now, will be that the failure of this bill could show how weak and how little support citizenship/amnesty provision has and put a kibosh on the entire issue for a long time - and will take this divisive (for GOP, mostly) issue off the table for at least 2008 elections. If GOP does well in 2008, they certainly could revisit the enforcement provisions that we now know public supports in very large numbers, and possibly even legal "organized" / "planned" limited guest-worker program which in conjunction with enforcement would severely crimp illegal migration.
It would be, likely, unintentional but very positive result of this charade, and a big blow to "progressives" and unions. If, however, the failure of this "comprehensive" project is an intentional outcome - then it is truly Machiavellian, and so then credit should be due to whoever "Nicollo" is.
Maybe compassionate conservative means the modern Rockefeller Republican? I'm at a loss. After all the unfunded obligations of the welfare state and entitlement spending, September 11, 2001 should have settled the issue of illegal immigration.
I honestly don’t think it’s intentional. The donor money is all on the other side: free market, cheap labor.
Bush has wanted to push an amnesty bill for seven years, and they thought they saw their best opportunity with the new congress and Democrat support, with congressional conservatives too few to stop it.
Actually, it’s the mirror image of what clinton did, pushing through most favored nation status for China with the help of Republican support, since the unions opposed it.
Bush and Rove knew there would still be problems convincing the base, so they tried to do it behind closed doors and to produce a fait accompli, as numerous sources have pointed out. But they underestimated the reaction from the voters.
Well, one thing this has succeeded in doing, and I don't think it was their intent, is mainstreaming the immigration debate.It has indeed, but IMO that was exactly the intent -- the Dhimmicrats have practically abandoned their alleged anti-war stance, have no leg to stand on in the immigration debate, and (thanks to Michael Moore, and the military hospital health care scandal) are about to head to national health care as the 2008 issue. Thanks Neverdem for the ping.
I don't think there are a lot of "Nicollos" in GOP in general, simply due to the nature and moral principals of the base of the party (Dick Morris doesn't qualify despite his book as he is neither Republican nor "The New Prince"). Of high profile politicians, only Gingrich may come close, but that's also one of the things that hurts him with the base.
Of course, Machiavelli gets a bad rep but it's mostly stereotypical.
You may appreciate a take by Richard Vetere, New York based author of more than 40 theatrical plays, including his recent comedy - "Machiavelli" - http://www.filmreference.com/film/14/Richard-Vetere.html
"Princely advice"
"Lessons in Life and Leadership from Machiavelli"
........................( Yes, Machiavelli ! )
........................ Richard Vetere
Italian political strategist Nicollo Machiavelli was born in 1469 and died in 1527, but his ideas remain remarkably relevant . Sayings derived from his writings, such as "The end justifies the means" and "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer," are still in use, and his political treatise, The Prince, is still in print.
For many people, the term "Machiavellian" suggests manipulative behavior, and they mistakenly believe that Machiavelli advocated immorality. He was a realist who believed that a leader should put welfare of his people ahead of moral concerns, but he warned against immorality. Here, lessons we all can learn from him...
Anticipating the worst and taking action can overcome bad luck. Machiavelli acknowledged that our success and failure can be determined by things beyond our control, but he also believed that the role of chance could be minimized. It's bad luck to be wiped out by a flooding river, but if we constructed dams and dikes before there was a flood, the damage might have been minimized. Risk can never be eliminated, but it can be contained by those who plan ahead and take action.
Example: A businessman shouldn't blame fate when a deal falls apart. If he had been more proactive in laying the groundwork for other deals, the one failure wouldn't matter as much.
The only reliable allies are those who benefit from our success. Machiavelli warned princes against leading mercenary troops into battle. Mercenaries might not give their full effort or might turn on their employers. Instead, we should team up only with those who truly benefit from our victory or our opponent's defeat. People are fickle about all things except one - they will always look out for their own interests. As long as our success is in their interests, they will be on our side.
Before we place our trust in anyone, we must first ask, Are the interests of this person truly in line with our own? If not, is there a way to make it so? Machiavelli would be in favor of profit-sharing programs that give employees a stake in their employer's success.
Our activities during free time often shape our success. Machiavelli warned leaders that they must concentrate on the study of war even in peacetime. He recommended as appropriate hobbies hunting and reading books about great military leaders.
Free time and work time really are all part of the limited amount of time we have at our disposal to succeed at our goals. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy ourselves on our days off, but it does mean that we should search for productive uses for these hours.
Forgiving those who do us wrong is a mistake. When we forgive those who try to harm us, we undercut the efforts of those who are loyal. It is better to punish those who deserve to be punished and show love to those who truly deserve our love.
Passion is the best motivator. Machiavelli believed that you can't lead people into battle by explaining the logic of a situation - you must do so by inflaming their passions. Even in our everyday lives, it pays to seek out people who believe passionately in what they do. Speak with tradespeople and professionals about their businesses before hiring them. Try to gauge their passion for their work.
Trust enemies above friends for frankness. When Machiavelli advocated keeping friends close but enemies closer, he meant that we can trust our enemies to criticize us when we deserve to be criticized.
Friends are often less honest with us. Some become jealous of our success and secretly plot against us. Others agree with everything we say in a misguided attempt to protect our feelings, even when they know we are wrong. When we surround ourselves with flatterers, we're on our road to failure.
The hard route to the top is often the best. Some people are born into money and power, while others have to earn them. Don't waste time being jealous of those to whom fortune has given a head start - such people often lose in the end. Machiavelli saw that leaders who inherit their success are more likely to fail than self-made people who are forced to learn important life lessons during their own climbs.
moral principals = moral principles
“free market”
We should all be in favor a free market.
It’s Econ 101-type common sense.
What is disturbing is the false parallel between free trade in good and the free trade in people, the latter which has huge political and social impacts that go far beyond free trade and impact us in ways that are calculable in purely economic terms.
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