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Rental Ban May Divide a Town on Immigration(Landlords Must Verify Citizenship)
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 20, 2007 | Lianne Hart

Posted on 05/21/2007 4:43:45 PM PDT by kellynla

FARMERS BRANCH, TEXAS — For months, a fierce debate over an ordinance that would prohibit landlords from renting to most illegal immigrants has consumed this quiet and otherwise unremarkable north Dallas suburb.

The controversy peaked eight days ago when Farmers Branch residents became the first in the nation to approve such a measure — by 68% to 32% in a strong turnout. Similar apartment rental bans adopted elsewhere were decided by city officials, not voters.

The American Civil Liberties Union has asked a federal judge to block the ordinance but — barring a last-minute restraining order — enforcement will begin Tuesday, said City Councilman Tim O'Hare.

"The problems associated with illegal immigration are out of control," said O'Hare, the lead proponent of the measure. "This is a very pro-American vote and a pro-American town."

At tired-looking apartment complexes along Josey Lane, in a largely Latino section of town, residents wondered whether the measure would worsen anti-immigrant sentiment.

"People work in jobs no one else wants. Now they are kicked out where they live. It's mean," said Blanca Benitez, a renter. She has lived legally in Farmers Branch for three years, she said, but now feels uncomfortable and unwanted in stores and other public places around town. "How would it make you feel?" she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: aliens; farmersbranch; illegals; immigration
The chart below shows, among other things, that in those industries that employ illegals the MAJORITY of the jobs are held by....GASP!...AMERICANS. That puts a HUGE HOLE in Bush's claim that illegals are doing jobs Americans won't do. It also shows, as Bush has claimed, that more than a million illegals a year have been deported since Bush took office. Well if they can deport 6 million, they can double their efforts and deport 12 million. Lastly, after BOTH borders have been secured, all illegals should be deported including the incarcerated. Why should Americans pay to incarcerate other countries' criminals. It's not like we don't have enough American criminals to incarcerate. And by deporting the foreign incarcerated in American prisons we not only lower our prison costs but we open up slots for AMERICAN criminals who are now roaming about the country unabated.

The 2008 Conservative Revolution has started! Now all we need is a CONSERVATIVE to lead the revolution. Because we are in danger of not only losing our two party system but our sovereignty. It is time for CONSERVATIVES to take back the GOP and the time is NOW!


1 posted on 05/21/2007 4:43:48 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla
It is time for CONSERVATIVES to take back the GOP and the time is NOW!

Amen!

2 posted on 05/21/2007 4:45:39 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (HDTV ping list, please FReepmail me if you would like your name added.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

How is the landlord supposed to verify citizenship? Must renters bring along birth certificates? Voter registrations?
What if these are faked—is the landlord held responsible to detect fakes?
These laws are not well thought-out and if insisted on will only result in mandatory federal ID cards being issued to all citizens. And that is one step closer to an Orwellian world.


3 posted on 05/21/2007 4:47:45 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

“And that is one step closer to an Orwellian world.”

Cry me a river! ROFLMAO

get over it...


4 posted on 05/21/2007 4:50:19 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: CondorFlight
mandatory federal ID cards being issued to all citizens.

I, for one, fully support that concept. Work, Housing, Medical Care should be dependent on having one. And I don't care if that starts sounding like the Mark of the Beast.

5 posted on 05/21/2007 4:50:51 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: CondorFlight

Most owners do background checks on their future renters.....it’s probably not that hard to determine their citizenship.


6 posted on 05/21/2007 4:52:28 PM PDT by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: kellynla
It's mean," said Blanca Benitez, a renter.

Too bad. What is she? Five years old?

7 posted on 05/21/2007 4:52:33 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: CondorFlight

“mandatory federal ID cards?”

and before I leave you to your ignorance
do you have a Social Security card?
ever heard of Social Security cards?
well if you haen’t they’re FEDERAL ID’s

and before long we are ALL gonna have biometric ID’s
get used to it!


8 posted on 05/21/2007 4:52:46 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: CondorFlight

The way it works is that a renter must get a permit from the city. The city checks with federal authorities to see if the person is legal. If he doesn’t check out, then he can’t get the permit. How to get landlords to comply is, of course, another matter.


9 posted on 05/21/2007 4:53:22 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: kellynla

Another BOO-HOO Piece, trying get your sympathy.
For Illegals, I have none left—fresh out.


10 posted on 05/21/2007 4:54:31 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Pretty soon this will be moot, as there will be no more illegals.


11 posted on 05/21/2007 4:54:36 PM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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To: CondorFlight

I proudly carry and show my federal military ID card, to be able to gain access to government facilities, use military facilities, the military hospitals, use my military benefits, use for ID when boarding air craft.. actually a federal ID is not all bad..


12 posted on 05/21/2007 4:56:18 PM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: radar101

“Another BOO-HOO Piece, trying get your sympathy.
For Illegals, I have none left—fresh out.”

excuse me?

I have no sympaty for illegals?


13 posted on 05/21/2007 4:56:57 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
"May Divide a Town"

Yes, the town will be divided: part of the town will have law-abiding American Citizens, and part of the town will have CRIMINAL Foreign-invaders/squatters.

14 posted on 05/21/2007 4:57:12 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: kellynla

Sorry—Didn’t mean you.
LA is Sanctuary Central. MacArthur Park is controlled by MS-13.
I’m just saying that the L.A. Slimes wants you to feel sorry for about half of L A.


15 posted on 05/21/2007 5:02:11 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: traditional1

You really want to carry a federal ID card with biometric ID, that you have to show to get a job, rent an apartment, get medical care, pay your taxes, etc.? Link that with your phone number, and the government will know everything about you including where you are, who you phoned, what you bought, etc.

That may be coming anyway, but it’s not the type of government scrutiny I want, and I’d like to keep what little is left of my constitutional rights and my privacy for as long as I can.


16 posted on 05/21/2007 5:04:35 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

How about a Social Security card? Last time I heard they were already in circulation.Maybe they can be faked but at the moment there’s essentially nothing else in place !!!


17 posted on 05/21/2007 5:04:41 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: kellynla

Oops,sorry I missed your posting or I wouldn’t have repeated what you said !!!


18 posted on 05/21/2007 5:06:41 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: kellynla

“People work in jobs no one else wants. Now they are kicked out where they live. It’s mean,” said Blanca Benitez, a renter. She has lived legally in Farmers Branch for three years, she said, but now feels uncomfortable and unwanted in stores and other public places around town. “How would it make you feel?” she said.

Oh, she’s lived there legally for three years, she says, but now they’re treating her like an illegal? Worse yet, she speaks in cliches.

But it would make me “feel” that maybe I should back to my own country so I’d “feel” more comfortable.


19 posted on 05/21/2007 5:07:18 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: radar101

no problemo...
and since you mentioned MS-13,
the FBI is reporting that MS-13 is now in 42 states!
So for those who think that if we make things bad enough for the illegals;
they will just go home.
Those folks have another thought coming regarding illegals.
Because MS-13 is hiring.

HELP WANTED:

Must speak Spanish.
No Gringos Need Apply!


20 posted on 05/21/2007 5:08:51 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

FWIW:

A TRO blocking enforcement was issued today.


21 posted on 05/21/2007 5:11:47 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: Obie Wan

No problemo...we’ve been informing folks for years ‘round here that we already have federal ID’s but they still haven’t figured it out! LOL

And for the record, I’d sooner carry a federal ID than a coffin.


22 posted on 05/21/2007 5:20:21 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: buccaneer81
Too bad. What is she? Five years old?

It's mean," said Blanca Benitez, (as she stamped her feet and held her breath 'til she turned blue.)

23 posted on 05/21/2007 5:30:50 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: CondorFlight

“And that is one step closer to an Orwellian world.”

I am SURE much the same thing was said when SSN’s were first issued. It is 2007, there are cameras everywhere, with the internet nearly everything about you and everything you say (even this) is out there and available forever. One could move to a cabin in the middle of nowhere, use cash or barter only, but that is impracticle and for most, unthinkable. I will take the chance on a national I.D. rather then simply watch the country go down the toilet by being overrun and overwhelmed.


24 posted on 05/21/2007 5:33:23 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Bogtrotter52
I will take the chance on a national I.D. rather then simply watch the country go down the toilet by being overrun and overwhelmed.

Yep. "Papers please" sounds very, very good to me.

25 posted on 05/21/2007 5:34:54 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: CondorFlight

I don’t know what planet you live on but we already show an ID to “get a job, rent an apartment, get medical care, pay your taxes, etc.?”


26 posted on 05/21/2007 5:50:45 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
As usual, what the voters approve doesn't matter. A court has already put a hold on the ban...one day before it was due to go into effect. Leave it to a liberal judge to stomp all over what the voters in the community decided by an overwhelming margin.
27 posted on 05/21/2007 6:37:43 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: kellynla

“She has lived legally in Farmers Branch for three years”

Then this does not applied to her does it now?


28 posted on 05/21/2007 6:43:26 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: CondorFlight
Go to city hall and have a criminal background check done on your applicant. It is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. It is one of the legitimate reasons to turn away an applicant. Run a credit check with the name and SSN. That's legitimate as well. The results are likely to unfavorable in the case of an illegal with fake documents.

The guy I hired to do the home inspection on my rental property suggested inspecting the applicants car as well. If the applicant doesn't take good car of his car, he won't take good care of your rental.

29 posted on 05/21/2007 6:45:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: kellynla
Now the legal process begins......

May 21, 2007, 6:26PM
Judge halts enforcement of rental ban against illegal immigrants

FARMERS BRANCH, Texas — A federal judge on Monday halted enforcement of a voter-endorsed ordinance preventing apartment rentals to most illegal immigrants, a day before the ban was to take effect in this Dallas suburb.

U.S. District Judge Sam A. Lindsay wrote in granting a temporary restraining order that only the federal government can determine whether a person is in the United States legally.

Instead of deferring to federal officials, Farmers Branch has created its own classification to determine which noncitizens may rent an apartment, the judge ruled, also noting that the city appeared to have borrowed from federal housing regulations to define who may lease in the suburb.

"The court recognizes that illegal immigration is a major problem in this country, and one who asserts otherwise ignores reality," Lindsay wrote. "The court also fully understands the frustration of cities attempting to address a national problem that the federal government should handle; however, such frustration, no matter how great, cannot serve as a basis to pass an ordinance that conflicts with federal law."

The ordinance was to take effect Tuesday, more than a week after voters approved the regulation by 68 percent, according to unofficial election results.

However, "public approval of the Ordinance, by itself, does not guide the court as to whether the Ordinance complies with the law," the judge wrote in his 20-page order.

"This is important guidance for other communities and others effected by this," said William A. Brewer III, who represents several apartment complexes suing Farmers Branch over the regulation.

A call for comment from Farmers Branch Councilman Tim O'Hare, the lead proponent of the ordinance, wasn't immediately returned Monday.

Attorney Matthew Boyle, who represents Farmers Branch, said regardless of the judge's decision, there is still plenty of work left on the case. He declined to comment on specifics.

Opponents of the ordinance filed three requests in federal court for an order to stop its enforcement. Two of those succeeded in getting the temporary restraining order on Monday.

The ordinance requires managers to verify that renters are U.S. citizens or legal immigrants before leasing to them, with some exceptions. Violators face fines of up to $500, and each day would be considered a separate violation.

Also Monday, a federal lawsuit and a state district court suit were filed in Dallas against Farmers Branch.

The federal suit, on behalf of three Latino voters who live in Farmers Branch, claims minorities are underrepresented because of the at-large city council system.

It seeks the creation of single-member districts, in which a city council member is elected to represent a specific section of the city. Both large and small cities with diverse racial makeup use the system, said Rolando Rios, the attorney leading the suit.

Activists say if the method had been in place, at least one Latino candidate would have been elected to the council and could represent the group. All five council members are white men.

Since 1970, Farmers Branch has changed from a small, predominantly white community with a declining population to a city of almost 28,000 people, about 37 percent Hispanic, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

The city had not yet been served with the lawsuit, said Farmers Branch spokesman Tom Bryson.

The other suit, brought by real estate broker Guillermo Ramos, alleges Farmers Branch officials violated the state's open meetings law when they approved the ordinance in November and again when they decided to put a revamped version on the ballot.

Council members approved the original, stricter rental ban without discussion and took comment from the public only after their vote.

Before a public meeting was held to consider a petition asking for the ordinance to be repealed or put up for a vote, Farmers Branch officials were quoted as saying they expected to put the issue before voters, the suit alleges.

Boyle, the Farmers Branch attorney, said he could not comment on the suit.



30 posted on 05/21/2007 6:58:44 PM PDT by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: CondorFlight
How is the landlord supposed to verify citizenship?
Good question........

As specified in the Ordinance.........

The Ordinance amends Chapter 26, Article IV of the City’s Code of Ordinances relating to apartment complex rental. Specifically, the Ordinance adds language to section 26-116(d)(3) and creates a new section 26-116(f) titled “Citizenship or Immigration Status Verification.” Id. § 3(A)-( B).

Subsection (1) of the new section (f) defines various terms used in the section, and states that the definitions are consistent with 24 CFR 5.504. Id. § 3(B)(f)(1). The term “Evidence of citizenship or eligible immigration status” is defined as “the documents which must be submitted to evidence citizenship or eligible immigration status for residency in the United States.” Id. “Citizen” is defined as “a citizen or national of the United States.” Id. “National means a person who owes permanent allegiance to the United States, for example, as a result of birth in a United States territory or possession.” Id. Noncitizen is defined as “a person who is neither a citizen nor national of the United States.” Id.

Subsection (2) provides: “The owner and/or property manager shall require as a prerequisite to entering into any lease or rental arrangement, including any lease or rental renewals or extensions, the submission of evidence of citizenship or eligible immigration status for each tenant family consistent with subsection (3).” Id. § 3(B)(f)(2).

Subsection (3) relates to “Evidence of citizenship or eligible immigration status” and lists the evidence required to show tenants’ citizenship or immigration status. Id. § 3(B)(f)(3). This section sets out the documentation that tenants must provide. Noncitizens must provide: (1) a signed declaration of “eligible immigration status;” (2) a “form designated by [United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement]2 as acceptable evidence of immigration status;” and (3) a “signed verification consent form.” Id. § 3(B)(f)(3)(ii)(a)-(c).

Subsection (4) outlines the owner and/or property managers’ obligations with regard to the evidence of citizenship or “eligible immigration status:”

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31 posted on 05/21/2007 7:16:20 PM PDT by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: traditional1

68-32 isnt really that divided.


32 posted on 05/21/2007 7:48:07 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: deport; CondorFlight; Bigoleelephant

Good find deport!!!


33 posted on 05/21/2007 7:56:52 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: CondorFlight
These laws are not well thought-out and if insisted on will only result in mandatory federal ID cards being issued to all citizens. And that is one step closer to an Orwellian world.

It's not that difficult to submit a name and a SS# to the feds and ask if they match.

Indeed, there is already a procedure in place for employers to do so. But it's not mandatory. And the feds specify that only employees who are already employed (as opposed to applicants) are subject to "wasting their time".

Employers who are actually interested in hiring legal workers routinely work their way around the feds' disinterest by saying that the applicants are employees.

In other words, it's not that confirming legality is impossible. It can be done...at least to the level that will significantly reduce the incidence of illegals.

34 posted on 05/21/2007 8:06:04 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: CPT Clay
68-32 isnt really that divided.

Well, put another way, 1 of every 3 in the town is a criminal?

37 posted on 05/22/2007 2:58:13 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: CondorFlight

The issue in Farmers Branch is private gain vs. public pain. The landlord pockets the money from illegal aliens and the rest of the community pays for the social services and education costs. It’s like taxation without representation.


38 posted on 05/22/2007 3:43:49 AM PDT by Lobbyist
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To: deport
You might correctly guess that U.S. District Judge Sam A. Lindsay was appointed by:

Slick Willie Klintoon

39 posted on 05/22/2007 6:17:38 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: CPT Clay

Thanks for the ping. Through all of this, I still don’t know what it is about the word “illegal” they don’t understand?


40 posted on 05/22/2007 8:02:31 AM PDT by Bigoleelephant (Lawyers are to America what lead was to Rome.)
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