Posted on 05/17/2007 8:25:59 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
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Ron Paul
You can give some details in your own words.
They’re afraid of him. The Republican establishment and so-called “conservative media” (i.e. Fox News) have done everything they can to discredit him, but that can’t change the fact that what he’s saying resonates with a lot of conservatives. I think those people are going to be in for quite a shock when the New Hampshire primary is over.
The head of the Michigan GOP wants Ron Paul banned from future debates due to his asinine comments about America bringing the 9/11 attacks on ourselves due to our Mideast policies.
Mr. Gun? Meet Mr. Foot.
BANG.
Hopalong Paul.
C’ya pardner. LOL
Few enough people watch the debates as it is - why would he want to take away the comic relief portion of the program?
I guess he takes bin Laden at his word.
Ron Paul ping!
Thanks. In the future I will do so.
I found this website about 5 or 6 months ago. I had no idea how much news I was missing before then. The first thing I do in the am after fixing a cup of coffee is read FR. The last thing before retiring at night, I read FR.
While listening to Rush I find he gets his show prep here as almost as soon as something is posted, he reads it on the air. Same thing for Fox news.
I am aware from my months of lurking of ZOTS, Viking Kitties and DU trolls...hence because I am a new member I am suspect and I am only allowed to post one item every 24 hours and it has to go through mods first. That sometimes takes an hour or more and by then topic has already been posted, so it appears I have made a duplicate post without searching.
Also any reply I make to a thread has to be read by a moderator and approved first. While I can understand the need for this and have no problem with it my question is how long am I going to be on probation? :)
I think the dems are afraid of Paul too. He is challenging their most cherished government institutions. He wants to dismantle the welfare state and abolish virtually everything FDR did with the New Deal, and everything LBJ did with “The Great Society”.
Reducing government this much is a NIGHTMARE for the socialist left!
Do you believe that Ron Paul will win the New Hampshire primary?
If the GOP wants censors Dr. Paul they may really learn what blowback is.
double secret probation sucks. They (big Brother) will become bored with you soon...stick with it!
No need to. He's already done a more than adequate job of doing so himself, without "help" from anyone else.
Whatever you do, don't throw your money away by betting on this proposition.
May 15th GOP Presidential Debate
In a May 15, 2007 GOP debate in South Carolina, Ron Paul took a close second (25%) to Mitt Romney, who received the most votes (29%) in a Fox News sponsored text messaging poll.[31] On other sites, such as ABC News and MSNBC, Paul was the night’s winner, according to respondents.
Congressman Paul commented how America’s history of interventionism in the Middle East has led to an unpopular view of the U.S. in Middle Eastern countries. Agreeing with what has previously been asserted by the 9/11 Commission Report and the CIA’s specialists on al Qaeda, Paul stated that the CIA removal of an elected Iranian leader (the 1953 removal of the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq in Operation Ajax) and the bombing of Iraq in the 1990’s, culminating in the ongoing Iraq war, has led to increasing anti-American sentiment in the Middle East.
He went on, stating that these events have also led to terrorists developing such a hatred for America, that they’re willing to die in suicide attacks. He said, “They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We’ve been in the Middle East [for years]. I think [Ronald] Reagan was right. We don’t understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. Right now, we’re building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We’re building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting.”
An outraged Rudy Giuliani, interpreted Paul as implying that America had invited the attacks through its actions and interrupted the proceedings to demand a retraction. Ron Paul defended his statement and further explained, “I believe the CIA is correct when it warns us about blowback. We overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 and their taking the hostages was the reaction. This dynamic persists and we ignore it at our risk. They’re not attacking us because we’re rich and free, they’re attacking us because we’re over there.”
Even early supporter of the Iraq War Andrew Sullivan was led by Rep. Paul’s remarks to conclude that;
“The question serious supporters of a real war on terror must now ask is: will continuing the fight in Iraq help reverse this trend or cement it for decades to come? Is the war making us less secure and the world much less safe? Would withdrawal or continued engagement makes things better? At the very least, it seems to me, this question should be on the table in the Iraq debate. And yet the Republicans - with the exception of Ron Paul - don’t even want to talk about it. Until they do, they are not a party serious about national security.”
Some reports have stated that Ron Paul is factually correct with his assertion; as cited in the 9/11 Commission Report, Osama bin Laden’s 1996 fatwa called “Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places,” published in Britain, reveals his anger with American policies as his reason for declaring a fatwa. In his fatwa, bin Laden cites the reasons for attacking America as, in order:
American involvement in the Middle East
Palestine, and
Sanctions on Iraq
The CIA’s former bin Laden and al Qaeda specialist, Michael Scheuer, told CNN, “We’re being attacked for what we do in the Islamic world, not for who we are or what we believe in or how we live.”
CIA analyst, political scientist, and author Chalmers Johnson spoke of blowback in regards to the September 11 attacks in October 2001 and has written books on the subject.
In a press release following the debate, campaign chairman Kent Snyder said in response to Giuliani, “It is clear from his interruption that former Mayor Giuliani has not read the 9-11 Commission Report and has no clue on how to keep America safe.”
Ron Paul’s purpose in the debates is to make Rudy look Presidential.
All these debates are meaningless activities at this point, the eventual entry of Fred Thompson is going to change the entire dynamic of the Republican Presidential nomination race. That's true even if Fred doesn't get that nomination.
That’s why he’s the best candidate!
I believe he’ll place within the top 3. I believe that he’ll build momentum from that, and while I admit I’m skeptical of his ability to win the nomination, he’ll win a lot of delegates. But, in a race this this many candidates, anything can happen.
I have some ocean front property in Arizona just waiting for your bid.
Paul has had his George Romney Moment.
Paul has had his George Romney Moment.
I think YOU’RE going to be in for quite a shock when the NH primary is over, assuming Paul is still around.
BTW—you cut a check to his campaign yet?
Ron Paul is also the only politician running who supports our troops instead of thinking of them as fodder for grandoise nation building schemes concocted by the neo-cons at AEI.
Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved. The president’s approval rating among the military is only slightly higher than for the population as a whole. In 2004, when his popularity peaked, 63 percent of the military approved of Bush’s handling of the war.
Just as telling, in this year’s poll only 41 percent of the military said the U.S. should have gone to war in Iraq in the first place, down from 65 percent in 2003. That closely reflects the beliefs of the general population today — 45 percent agreed in a recent USA Today/Gallup poll.
The Carter administration thought that Khomeini was Just some soft-headed relgious leader, not a revolutionary figure. Biggest mistake since the Germans sent Lenin to Russia in 1917 to undermine the Provisional government of Russia.
You have your own delusion. There is a very real need to establish a government in Iraq that is beholden to the United States. Just look at the map, for God’s sake. It’s called geo-political reality. As to the conduct of the war, it seems obvious now that the present surge should have happened a year ago. If Bush had been on top of the matter, he would have saacked his generals and, maybe, something positive might have happened before the election, or at least by now.
Paul is a libertarian, not a conservative.
Well if we're going to include a fringe Libertarian like Ron Paul, we might as let Giuliani the Lieberman Democrat in on the fun.
Bull. They don’t want to have to deal with his stupidity. Let him have his own stupid debate. He can debate real life.
Hey, if you can't trust Osama...
Maybe bin Laden should have asked for money instead. Paul would send it to him.
Ron Paul needs at least one more debate to prove to everyone that he’s a flake.
Libertarians are open borders and pro-abort for the most part; Ron Paul is neither. On the contrary, he has intoduced legislation to amend the Constitution to do away with ‘anchor babies’ getting automatic citizenship - sounds pretty conservative to me.
Maybe it was Dulles, but this was long before the CIA. In any case, it is amazing how little Lenin knew about what was going on in the world. Solzhinitzen (sp?) little book about him tells us that this total ideologue had theories that were totally detached from reality. Even more amazing is how
this ideologue was able to dump ALL his theories once he came to Russia. He was, as a politican, a total opportunist. In spirit he and Hitler were very much alike: murderers at heart and total nihilists.
LOL, it’s a conspiracy. Ron Paul can discredit himself. He doesn’t need any help.
seriesly ... mods check all posts by new sign-ups? (I hate the term ‘newbie’)
I fear some mods are more ‘enthusiastic’ than others and ban new posters simply because they don’t agree with them v. there being a legitimate violation of rules or tin foil posts. Someone I know personally was banned shortly after signing up, and when I read the post I couldn’t figure out why he’d been banned .. it’s at the personal discretion of a given mod? who knew?
because I am a new member I am suspect and I am only allowed to post one item every 24 hours and it has to go through mods first. That sometimes takes an hour or more and by then topic has already been posted, so it appears I have made a duplicate post without searching.
Also any reply I make to a thread has to be read by a moderator and approved first. While I can understand the need for this and have no problem with it my question is how long am I going to be on probation? :)
***Bump. I didn’t know that’s how things were for newbies. Welcome to FR. That’s something that they didn’t even say when I joined... ;-)
I suppose if I were in your position I’d be putting down the time that I actually posted the comment, with an accompanying newbie disclaimer like you just posted. Then other freepers would know. Thanks for posting this information, there might be others who were not aware of it like myself.
The GOP needs a little bit of blow-back then. They have allowed entirely too many nincompoops to run for pres who have no regard for the party platform.
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