Why, you ask, the Squeamishness even from Conservative Media?

Political Mavens ^ | 14 MAY 2007 | Julia Gorin

[radar101]

During both radio shows that I was interviewed on yesterday, the hosts wondered why the media are downplaying both the Muslim and the Albanian aspects of the Ft. Dix news. (And especially downplaying the Muslim-Albanian aspect.)

The answer is that the Balkans narrative MUST remain what it is: Serbs=bad. Muslims=victim.

The pro-Muslim mainstream media aside, even conservatives jumped onto the anti-Serb bandwagon starting in the 90s — because conservatives are often accused of being anti-Muslim. So the one bone they can toss the Muslims is to take the typical bombastic and outraged stance about what was supposedly done to Muslims in the Balkans. (Recall “Hannity & Colmes” condemning the “evil on display” in the widely circulated execution video of six Bosnian fighters by Bosnian-Serb paramilitary. Of course, you won’t recall the far more graphic images of dead Serbs — for those are never shown.)

Never mind that the aforementioned executions were precipitated by mutilated, burned, decapitated, dismembered Serbs of all ages, whose bodies were stuffed down wells near Srebrenica, the site of “the worst atrocity since the Holocaust.” And that’s not even mentioning the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo for decades, as was reported in The NY Times, Christian Science Monitor and Washington Post throughout the 80s.

As I wrote in a blog titled “Desperately Seeking a Holocaust,” the Muslims have been trying to convince us that in every corner of the world where there are Muslims, they are victims of genocide/discrimination/ethnic cleansing, etc. The one place where they succeeded in convincing the world that, for once, a genocide against Muslims wasn’t stage-managed by Muslims (the way it is in Israel)…is the Balkans.

And that’s because there was a time when Serbs didn’t take dismemberment lying down. When the Serbs responded, that’s when our cameras started rolling. As UN Generals Philippe Morillon, Satish Nambiar, Lewis MacKenzie and Dutch Lt. Colonel Ton Karremans have attested, the Serbs “reacted.” They didn’t start anything. The Serbs were merely the kufir of the 1990s, when Muslims for once picked on the wrong people.

To sum up, the Balkan “genocide against Muslims” is the one bone that even the conservatives toss to the Muslims, to say: “See? I’m not anti-Muslim — look how I buy into the traditional media’s narrative on what happened to them in the 1990s.”

And to hell with the Serbs. They’ve been slandered for two decades; they can be slandered for twenty more. After all, what are the Serbs going to do to us? They don’t kill the way Muslims do.

Bingo.

I guess thinking of Serbs as the enemy helps one sleep better at night.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>”. . . even conservatives jumped onto the anti-Serb bandwagon starting in the 90s”<<<

Not all. My wife and I have always considered the Kosovo “War” as a Bill Clinton attack against a Christian nation (Yugoslavia).

[Y2000]

What about conservative politicians ?

I know why : all of them were singing cumbayyyaaaaa.. with Klinton on this balkan issue ...

helping islamists to take foothold in europe.

[Cacique]

btt

[larryjohnson]

I recall most of us saw Kosovo as muslims killing catholics. The only good thing about our air war was it brought down the commies.

[iopscusa]

Thanks for Julia Gorin, she has made a difference with her continuous reporting on the FT Dix Albanian Jihadist. Amazing how much she has been on this issue and refuses to be bush whacked by the rest of the libtards/rinos...the Serbs have been sacrificed by the West...a truth that must be revealed.

[Leatherneck_MT]

I’m a conservative..

I’m anti-muslim..

I have no qualms about either.

[nyconse]

My husband always said we were helping the enemy...and they would eventually turn on us. Democrats are idiots when it come to foreign policy as well as domestic policy.

[Waverunner]

Boy - I would hate to think that Clinton picked the wrong side to back....BTW my first mailed letter to a US Senator was to Sam Nunn asking him to keep us out of the Balkans. I told him that the President Clinton’s “ The troops will be home by Christmas” statement didn’t fit in with the history of the area. Got a nice form letter back, and we still have troops over there. Over 15 years later. No MSM coverage on that I bet.

[Polybius]

My wife and I have always considered the Kosovo “War” as a Bill Clinton attack against a Christian nation (Yugoslavia).....PhilipFreneau

I recall most of us saw Kosovo as muslims killing catholics. .... larryjohnson

Well, actually, the Serbs were the ones that killed most of the Catholics in the former Yugoslavia region.

It went like this:

The Serbs were mostly Orthodox.

The Croats were mostly Catholic.

In Bosnia, it was the Serb thugs kiling the Catholic and Muslim civilians, the Croat thugs killing killing the Orthodox and Muslim civilians and the Muslim thugs killing the Orthodox and Catholics civilians.

In short, it was a war with all the ethnic and religious patholgy that World War Two had in the same region.

Whether a nation styles itself "Christian" or not does not hold much water for me. The World War Two German soldier went to war with beltbuckles that declare "Gott Mit Uns" (meaning "God Is With Us").

The people that needed killing were the thugs, be they Sebian Orthodox thugs or Bosnian Catholic thugs or Kosovo Muslim thugs.

If the U.S. went strictly by religious lines, then the U.S. should have cleaned Serbia's clock when Serbian thugs were killing Bosnian Catholics since we have 77 million Catholics in the U.S. but relatively few Orthodox.

National Catholic Reporter | Date: 5/19/1995 ------ Bosnian Catholic bishop says, 'Serbs may annihilate us.'(Bishop Franjo Komarica)..... Northern Bosnia is an area that has been under the control of the Bosnian Serbs since war broke out in 1992. During those three years, the region's non-Serb populations, predominantly Muslim and Catholic Croat, have been massacred in "ethnic cleansing" campaigns. Today not a single mosque exists in all of northern Bosnia and more than half of the Catholic churches have been destroyed. ..... What is the situation now of Catholics in northern Bosnia? ... My diocese has been depleted by over two-thirds and every month more people are leaving. There looms the very real danger that my entire diocese will be wiped out, simply because the Serbs wield power here ...We've done absolutely nothing to be punished in this way. The Serbs know that, as well as the Bosnian, the Croat, the German and the American governments, yet no one has done anything to guarantee our most basic and fundamental human rights.

Now, some pro-Serb poster will jump in here and say that the Serbs were justified in killing Catholic Croats in 1995 because, back during World War II in 1944, Catholic Croats killed his Serb counsins so the Catholics deserved killing in 1995. Then the pro-Croat posters will explain why the Serbs needed killing in 1944 because of what had happened during World War One and the religious thugs and all three sides will explain why everybody that was not of their religion needed killing dating back to the days of the Great Schism.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>Whether a nation styles itself “Christian” or not does not hold much water for me.<<<

Obviously.

>>>If the U.S. went strictly by religious lines, then the U.S. should have cleaned Serbia’s clock.<<<

The U.S. did operate strictly by religious lines. It was the Clinton-led U.S. and Nato forces helping the bloody muslims in Kosovo (aka “Ethnic Albanians”, as the drive-by media labeled them) against the Christians in Kosovo.

[Polybius]

The U.S. did operate strictly by religious lines. It was the Clinton-led U.S. and Nato forces helping the bloody muslims in Kosovo (aka “Ethnic Albanians”, as the drive-by media labeled them) against the Christians in Kosovo.

I have no problems with "Muslims". One of my "Muslim" friends drinks like a fish, swears like sailor and pays as much attention to the Koran as Bill Clinton pays to the Bible.

The problem today is to be found in the religious fanatics and thugs.

The thugs today are all over the Arab world but, in the former Yugoslavia, they included Serbian Orthodox religious thugs who would have ethnically cleansed me and my family, not because I was raised Muslim, but because I was raised a Roman Catholic.

Read the 1995 link I previously posted.

What does massacring and ethnically cleansing Roman Catholics have to do with being so-called "Christian".

At the start of the Kosovo campaign, the Serbian thugs were engaging in another mass ethnic cleansing, right out of the 1940's, and the U.S. and NATO said, "No more".

In the aftermath, should the U.S. and NATO gone after the Muslim thugs more aggressively?

You betcha!

However that does not change the fact that the Serbian Orthodox thuggery also need to be stopped.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>I have no problems with “Muslims”. One of my “Muslim” friends drinks like a fish, swears like sailor and pays as much attention to the Koran as Bill Clinton pays to the Bible.<<<

You need to get a clue. The Al Qadae training manual teaches trainees to blend in with the local culture. For example, some of the 911 terrorists actually visited strip clubs shortly before they hijacked planes and murdered U. S. citizens.

[Polybius]

>>>I have no problems with “Muslims”. One of my “Muslim” friends drinks like a fish, swears like sailor and pays as much attention to the Koran as Bill Clinton pays to the Bible.<<<

You need to get a clue. The Al Qadae training manual teaches trainees to blend in with the local culture. For example, some of the 911 terrorists actually visited strip clubs shortly before they hijacked planes and murdered U. S. citizens.

Did al Qaeda also have them grow up in the U.S., go to a U.S. school and have been practicing medicine in a major U.S. metropolitan medical center for the past 15 years in one case?

Or how about, in the other case, have him practice medicine in the U.S. for the past 27 years after leaving Iran when the Shah of Iran was overthrown by the Islamists?

As I said before, the people that I would not trust for a second are those that take the Koran seriously if they are Muslim or those who champion Serbs as some sort of "Christian" martyrs while not even bothering to mention the Serb massacres of Roman Catholic Croats simply because of their Roman Catholic religion.

Why did your "Christian" Serbs massacre the Roman Catholics of Voćin simply for being Roman Catholics, Philip?

Why did your Serb "Christians" massacre those Roman Catholics (one of them a U.S. citizen), by burning them alive, splitting their heads open with axes and cutting them in two with chain saws while still alive?

I really "need a clue" to understand your justifications for that.

Voćin massacre was a massacre of between 45 and 55 Croatian civilians [1] in the village of Voćin, perpetuated by Serb paramilitary units in December 1991 ... With one exception, all the victims were Roman-Catholic Croatian villagers. A large number was elderly - half the victims were over 62 and the eldest was 84 years old. Most of the young people, especially the males of the village had fled; or were rounded up by the Serb invaders and shipped to parts unknown. Almost all of the victims were abused, tortured and then massacred. Two of the victims, a husband and wife, were found bound with chains and burned. Subsequent chemical tissue analysis performed at the University of Zagreb Medical School laboratories revealed that they were burned alive. Others had their skulls split open by axes or chain sawed in half while still alive. A large number of victims were murdered by chain saws, knives, axes and other cold weapons. One of the victims, Marija Majdandžić (72), was an American citizen born in Erie, Pennsylvania. She was trapped in her house which was torched down. She was probably the first American casualty of the conflict. The only non-Croat victim of the massacre was a 77-year old Serb who tried to intervene on behalf of his Croatian co-villagers to stop the massacre. He was tortured and beaten to death.

Be they an Orthodox Serb or a Catholic Croat or a Muslim Bosnian, a thug is a thug and those who make excuses for their massacres of civilians based on the religion of their birth are not much better.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>Did al Qaeda also have them grow up in the U.S., go to a U.S. school and have been practicing medicine in a major U.S. metropolitan medical center for the past 15 years in one case?<<<

A “good” muslim is, in reality, a bad muslim. That is, there are no “good” muslims who practice their faith. Hopefully your “friend” is a bad muslim.

>>>Why did your “Christian” Serbs massacre the Roman Catholics of Vocin simply for being Roman Catholics, Philip?<<<

Who knows? Why did the Catholics, during the centuries of the Inquisition, brutally torture and murder “heretics” who believed in Protestant Theology? Maybe they are not Christians, at all, but simply blood-thirsty dogs, like the Hirohito’s Japan (before we kicked their butts), Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, and muslim dogs who murdered my wife’s ancestors in Armenia.

[Polybius]

A “good” muslim is, in reality, a bad muslim. That is, there are no “good” muslims who practice their faith. Hopefully your “friend” is a bad muslim.

Yes, they are both are "bad" Muslims. They do not live in the Dark Ages of religious hatred.

They judge their friends and enemies by the character and the deeds of the person and not by the religion the person was born into.

>>>Why did your “Christian” Serbs massacre the Roman Catholics of Vocin simply for being Roman Catholics, Philip?<<<

Who knows? Why did the Catholics, during the centuries of the Inquisition, brutally torture and murder “heretics” who believed in Protestant Theology? Maybe they are not Christians, at all, but simply blood-thirsty dogs, like the Hirohito’s Japan (before we kicked their butts), Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, and muslim dogs who murdered my wife’s ancestors in Armenia.

Because, during the 16th Centuries, in Western Civilization, both Catholics and Protestants, burned those they considered heretics.

Don't think that the Protestants did not join in the Barbecue.

Calvin and the other reformers (as well as Catholics in middle Europe) also believed that they should not permit the practice of witchcraft, in accord with their understanding of passages such as Exodus 22:18 and Leviticus 20:27,[11] and in 1545 twenty-three people were burned to death in Geneva under charges of practicing witchcraft and attempting to spread the plague over a three–year period

But, that was over 450 years ago in another era of Western Civilization and not only 12 years ago by the Serbs whose ethnic cleansing atrocities you defend merely because the Serbs happened to be, in your words, "Christians".

You should pay attention to your own words and consider that the Serb atrocities committed in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo were committed by "not Christians, at all, but simply blood-thirsty dogs, like the Hirohito’s Japan (before we kicked their butts), Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, and muslim dogs who murdered my wife’s ancestors in Armenia."

As I said before, a thug is thug whether he be an Orthodox Serb, a Croat Catholic, a Bosnian Muslim or a Jewish Kapo.

Defending Serbian ethnic cleansers because they were "Christians" is equivalent to defending Turkish ethnic cleansers in Armenia because they were "Muslims".

The Serb who was a true Christian was the Serb that was tortured to death by his fellow Serbs for trying to defend his Catholic neighbors that were being butchered at the Voćin massacre.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>> . . . that was over 450 years ago in another era of Western Civilization and not only 12 years ago by the Serbs whose ethnic cleansing atrocities you defend merely because the Serbs happened to be, in your words, “Christians”.<<<

I never said they were Christians (obviously they were not). Christians don’t murder non-believers. Only good Muslims do that.

>>>Defending Serbian ethnic cleansers because they were “Christians” is equivalent to defending Turkish ethnic cleansers in Armenia because they were “Muslims”. <<<

I agree. But, again, I never said the murderers were Christians. You are the one making that claim. Speaking of ethnic cleansing, it is currently happening in Kosovo, by the muslims — the same murderous thugs who were forcing Serbs to flee Kosovo for years before Clinton went in and sped up the process.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>”... they are both are “bad” Muslims. They do not live in the Dark Ages of religious hatred. They judge their friends and enemies by the character and the deeds of the person and not by the religion the person was born into.”<<<

Ever notice that many (if not most) of the muslim mass murderers were considered by their neighbors to be polite, kind, or, in general, “a good neighbor”? Listen, if your muslim buddies slit your throat when their time for “jihad” comes, don’t complain to me.