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Teachers stage fake gun attack on kids
charlotte.com ^ | 05/13/07 | AP

Posted on 05/13/2007 3:04:17 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3

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To: metmom

You know it sister. That’s why both my girls own rifles and handguns and know how to use both. In addition, they can make their own ammo - loading shells and pouring molds. They’ve been hunting since they were 11. The younger is a crack shot, the older though looks all dainty and delicate but I’ve seen her field dress a deer in freezing weather and yell out “hey, do you guys want the liver?”


321 posted on 05/14/2007 5:53:39 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

You go girl(s)!!!


322 posted on 05/14/2007 6:01:35 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: CremeSaver

And no more Saturday morning cartoons.

No wonder you had the bejesus scared out of you!


323 posted on 05/14/2007 6:11:34 PM PDT by exit82 (Sheryl Crow is on a roll)
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To: SoftballMominVA
I'd say it's a downside because people can be fired with flimsy evidence or without being charged with any wrong doing. In this case, it appears from the principal's own statement that these teachers messed up. But in other cases, it's not so good. For example, students can lie and accuse teachers of misconduct - and the teacher can be fired with no redress. In that case, it's bad.

I see it as mostly a good thing. Yes, abuse can happen but there is also the point that it is easier to get rid of 'bad' workers without the unions insisting that they be given unlimited '2nd chances' and make firing just about impossible or too expensive.

324 posted on 05/14/2007 6:17:15 PM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: baa39
163 posts later...I think you are getting to the real heart of the matter. Why anyone would allow his/her child into a public school anymore I cannot imagine.
  1. Lack of confidence in their ability to home school successfully
  2. Lack of money for private religious school
  3. Concurrence of both parents lest the State take away one of the parent's rights down the road

325 posted on 05/14/2007 6:22:08 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: wintertime
All Catholic priests are either bad priests or they are enablers. That is the same argument you make, applied to the Catholic church instead of to public education. There is a fundamentally flawed system that allowed hundreds of priests to prey on innocent victims over many years. So anyone in the priesthood is either bad or they enable the system.

You and I both know that's not true. There are some bad ones and some good ones. I submit to you that the same really is true in education- there are bad teachers and there are good teachers. And I agree the education system is flawed, but it does not make me or anyone else in my profession who is attempting to change it a bad or enabling teacher. Claim all you want that this wasn't a **personal** insult, but you singled me out when you said "There are only 2 kinds of government teachers: 1) Bad Teachers and 2) Enablers." Perhaps you meant to refer to the system in general and not teachers specifically. If you did not, then it was an attack on who I am, and I have to consider it personal.

There are no hard feelings about it, don't get me wrong. I am just the type of person who will defend myself when pushed. You may not believe me, but I have absolutely no problem with homeschooling, when it is done correctly. Same with church schools. I have seen, however, many kids (I can name 5 off the top of my head) who have personally left my class to be homeschooled, only to return again within the year, each one the worse for having experienced it. The reason? The parent didn't have a clue what to do and sometimes even used it as an excuse to keep the kid home so THEY wouldn't be punished for the kid not going to school. There have been two failed local attempts to form church-run schools, and they failed for one main reason- lack of parental involvement. I KNOW this is not the norm, and I am willing to admit that it is the exception to the rule. I guess, for those reasons, I do not want to paint a broad picture of ALL homeschool/church teachers being "bad."

I have never been the type of person to give in and throw in the towel very easily. I refuse to believe that my profession, the profession that has produced some very bright and talented children- I wish I could share personal stories, but I know you get the point- is evil and that it is hopeless to change it. If we all abandon it, then it IS hopeless to change. But I refuse to abandon it.

326 posted on 05/14/2007 6:37:02 PM PDT by admiralsn (An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep. --Asian Proverb)
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To: Harris
City schools suspend teacher, administrator for field trip prank
327 posted on 05/14/2007 7:27:26 PM PDT by OrangeDaisy
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To: OrangeDaisy
The solution to this Test would be to Arm the Students, so that then the
test could ultimately be carried out on the true terrorists,
(the Teachers)!
328 posted on 05/14/2007 11:41:02 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Then the kid’s a nut who needs to be put away for his own good.


329 posted on 05/15/2007 12:13:35 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (I am so proud of what we were...)
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To: steadcom

I suspect you are right about this being merely a prank. My argument assumes that it was drill and questions why some so readily dismiss the idea as being foolish and further the ranting that our kids can’t handle five minutes of fear in a controlled setting.

Even if it was a prank, we should teach children to laugh it off. Instead we are teaching children to have no humor because the weakest links might be traumatized by a five minute joke. The feminization of America is now giving way to the Wussification of America.


330 posted on 05/15/2007 12:41:55 AM PDT by Harris ((optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: TornadoAlley3

Follow-up: the teacher who was on the field trip and the assistant principal have been placed on suspension without pay for the remainder of the school year, effective May 14. I personally think the principal should go as well.


331 posted on 05/15/2007 6:06:48 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Hillary sings like Granny Clampett auditioning for "American Idol")
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To: TornadoAlley3; ca centered

People should be held criminally liable for this stunt. Appalling.


332 posted on 05/15/2007 6:18:34 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: festus

Bingo to that.


333 posted on 05/15/2007 6:19:39 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: wintertime
All the better to be employed by the, "Government Indoctrination Centers"
334 posted on 05/15/2007 6:25:02 AM PDT by JayAr36 (No Party, just a Conservative.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

This is so insane I no long longer have faith in the public school system. Well actually I never did. This was on the front page of the BBC site. They love to print stories of brain dead Americans.


335 posted on 05/15/2007 6:30:29 AM PDT by ca centered
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To: truthkeeper

One of the local conservative talk shows pointed out that the kids were warned that there would be a “prank” during the retreat. During the prank the kids were told that there was a man with a gun was outside in the woods, but that he had not shot anyone. In other words, they tried to make the kids feel like their life was not in imminent danger. The teachers said this is a code red situation and we are going to turn off the lights so it will appear that no one is in this building. I think it was a poor choice of a prank, but the more I hear, the more I’m sure some kids overreacted and some kids probably figured out it was a prank.


336 posted on 05/15/2007 7:34:23 AM PDT by OrangeDaisy
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To: admiralsn
I have battled colleagues before and will do it again. I am a teacher and I am not what you described.

Thank you for engaging in the battle! We support you. Are you familiar with The Frankfurt School's effect on American public education, education colleges and the NEA?

337 posted on 05/15/2007 8:40:06 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Alright, doing it that way in a High school may (a very big may) have been acceptable...but doing it to elementary schoolers? That’s just wrong.

I don’t care what they’re trying to teach those kids; you don’t pull something like that on children who don’t understand it’s not real.


338 posted on 05/15/2007 2:41:38 PM PDT by RWB Patriot
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To: WorkingClassFilth
I was told and made to practice during the cold war 40-45 years ago.

In the Detroit area schools they were called "tornado drills."

339 posted on 05/15/2007 3:01:44 PM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts, the Gay State. Once the leader of the American Revolution, now leading its demise.)
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To: j_tull

Ping for the bad teacher/nuclear war thread...


340 posted on 05/15/2007 5:12:10 PM PDT by TampaDude (Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.)
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