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Biggest stellar explosion detected (bigger than a supernova)
International Herald Tribune ^ | 8 May 07 | Dennis Overbye

Posted on 05/08/2007 5:22:54 PM PDT by saganite

In a cascade of superlatives that belies the traditional cerebral reserve of their profession, astronomers reported Monday that they had seen the brightest and most powerful stellar explosion ever recorded.

The cataclysm - a monster more than a hundred times as energetic as the typical supernova in which normal massive stars end their lives - may be an example, they said, of a completely new type of explosion.

Such a blast, proposed but never seen, would explain how the earliest and most massive stars in the universe ended their lives and strewed new elements across space to fertilize future stars and planets.

"It is quite possibly the most massive star that has ever been seen to explode," said Nathan Smith of the University of California, Berkeley, who estimated the star as "freakishly massive," about 150 times the mass of the sun.

Smith led a team of astronomers from Berkeley and the University of Texas who have submitted a paper about the supernova to The Astrophysical Journal and discussed the results at a news conference from the NASA headquarters in Washington.

"We're really excited about this," he said. "If it really is what we think it is, it forces us to rethink how massive stars die."

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The star bears an eerie resemblance to Eta Carinae, a star in our own galaxy that has been burbling and bubbling in the last few centuries as if getting ready for its own outburst. The observations suggest that the troubled and enigmatic Eta Carinae, thought to weigh in at about 120 solar masses, could blow up sooner than theorists have thought. Mario Livio, a theorist at the Space Telescope Science Institute, in Baltimore, who was not involved in the research, said Eta Carinae's death could be "the most spectacular star show in history."

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1 posted on 05/08/2007 5:23:02 PM PDT by saganite
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To: RadioAstronomer; KevinDavis

ping


2 posted on 05/08/2007 5:23:48 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: saganite
The star bears an eerie resemblance to Eta Carinae, a star in our own galaxy that has been burbling and bubbling in the last few centuries as if getting ready for its own outburst.

Something more serious to worry about than Global Warming... Galactic Warming.

3 posted on 05/08/2007 5:27:09 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: 6SJ7

Eta Carinae is one of the most remarkable stars in the heavens.

This star was first cataloged by Edmond Halley in 1677, as a star of fourth magnitude. Since, its brightness has varied in a most remarkable way: In 1730, its brightness reached mag 2, and again fell to mag 4 in about 1782. It brightened again about 1801 and faded back to 4th magnitude in 1811. In 1820, Eta began to brighten steadily, reaching 2nd magnitude in 1822 and 1st mag in 1827. After this first preliminary maximum, the star faded back to mag 2 for about 5 years, then rose again to about mag 0. After a further slight decline, Eta’s brightness incresed once more and reached its maximal brilliance of nearly -1.0 in April 1843, when it outshone all stars in the sky but Sirius. After this brilliant show, the star slowly faded continuously, and became invisible in 1868. Interrupted by two minor outbursts around 1870 and 1889, Eta Carinae faded to about 8th magnitude around 1900, where it remained until 1941. At that time, the star began to brighten again, and reached 7th magnitude about 1953. Slowly and steadily, Eta Carinae became brighter until about 6th magnitude in the early 1990s - the star reached naked-eye visibility again at that time. Then in 1998-99, the star suddenly brightened by about a factor two. This behavior is not fully understood at this time (early 2000), and it seems hard to predict how this remarcable variable will develop in the future.

Eta Carinae is one of the most massive stars in the universe, with probably more than 100 solar masses (Jeff Hester of the ASU, who made this HST image, has estimated 150 times the mass of our sun, Robert Zimmermann gives 120 solar masses in his article in Astronomy, Feb. 2000 issue). It is about 4 million times brighter than our local star, making it also one of the most luminous stars known. Eta Carinae radiates 99 % of its luminosity in the infrared part of the spectrum, where it is the brightest object in the sky at 10-20 microns wavelength.

As such massive stars have a comparatively short expected lifetime of roughly 1 million years, Eta Carinae must have formed recently in the cosmic timescale; it is actually situated in the heavily star forming nebula NGC 3372, called the Great Carina Nebula, or the Eta Carinae Nebula. It will probably end its life in a supernova explosion within the next few 100,000 years (some astronomers speculate that this will occur even sooner).

http://seds.org/messier/xtra/ngc/etacar.html


4 posted on 05/08/2007 5:32:16 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: saganite
RadioAstronomer was given the boot in the great FR purge of April 2007.
He's now with most of the rest of the former FR scientists on Darwin Central.
6 posted on 05/08/2007 5:33:44 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://forum.darwincentral.org/index.php)
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To: ASA Vet

Really?! What for?


7 posted on 05/08/2007 5:34:24 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: saganite
Supernova SN 2006gy
Chandra Sees Brightest Supernova Ever

Illustration: NASA/CXC/M.Weiss; X-ray: NASA/CXC/UC Berkeley/N.Smith et al.; IR: Lick/UC Berkeley/J.Bloom & C.Hansen


8 posted on 05/08/2007 5:35:44 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... In FReeP We Trust ...)
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To: saganite

I havent seen any information about the amount/type of energy released and it’s ‘sphere of influence’ concerning this. I’ve read numerous references to Eta Carinae but not enough to even speculate as to whether it would effect Earth.


9 posted on 05/08/2007 5:36:30 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: ASA Vet
RadioAstronomer was given the boot in the great FR purge of April 2007.

WTF?!

10 posted on 05/08/2007 5:36:31 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: saganite

Being a scientist.


11 posted on 05/08/2007 5:36:59 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://forum.darwincentral.org/index.php)
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To: ASA Vet

what is this purge? how do I miss these things... i am here EVERY SINGLE DAY

I even missed the whole snow bunny saga and the host over the sun


12 posted on 05/08/2007 5:37:03 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: 6SJ7
...as if getting ready for its own outburst ....

The outburst already happened 150 years ago - and we missed it!!!

13 posted on 05/08/2007 5:37:32 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: kinoxi

Those are strange symbols that I don’t currently have on my keyboard?


14 posted on 05/08/2007 5:37:49 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: 6SJ7

...rather sudden Galactic warming. 5K is better than 3K, but 10,000K is something to worry about. Of course taxes is far more of an immediate danger than death for most people.


15 posted on 05/08/2007 5:37:55 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: ASA Vet

I’m flabbergasted. I missed the purge. What caused that? I always enjoyed his posts.

Purging scientists? What’s that all about?


16 posted on 05/08/2007 5:42:46 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: saganite

"This is further proof of the existence of global warming!! Bush's fault!! 2000!! Hanging chads!!! Aaaargh...Attica!"


17 posted on 05/08/2007 5:45:55 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (The most dangerous place in the world is between Hillary and the Oval Office)
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To: saganite
In a cascade of superlatives that belies the traditional cerebral reserve of their profession, astronomers reported...

Oh please. Only astronomers with accomplishments hold to the confines of dignity. Hasn't the author observed the embarrassingly juvenile NASA astronomers/scientists wetting themselves over the smallest of successes? They're like 12-year-old boys at the site of a naked woman.
18 posted on 05/08/2007 5:47:02 PM PDT by newguy357
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To: ASA Vet
Being a scientist.

Now that's not entirely accurate.

19 posted on 05/08/2007 5:47:10 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: airborne

I’m really interested in why Radio Astronomer was purged. Can you elaborate?


20 posted on 05/08/2007 5:48:52 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: newguy357

Well, I meant “sight,” but “site,” works just as well.


21 posted on 05/08/2007 5:49:27 PM PDT by newguy357
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To: ASA Vet; RadioAstronomer

His account was not closed.

He left on his own.


22 posted on 05/08/2007 5:49:36 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: Mr. K
JR purged most of the scientists, then got rid of the RinoRudyBots. The purge is mostly over now I guess.
Even long time Freepers with 9 years here got the ax.
Some went to a site called Wide Awakes or something like that.
The science folks went to Darwin Central.
23 posted on 05/08/2007 5:50:05 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://forum.darwincentral.org/index.php)
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To: saganite; RadioAstronomer

He was not banned!

Ping him if you want.

His account is active.


24 posted on 05/08/2007 5:50:50 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: ASA Vet

I enjoyed reading his posts. That was a mistake.


25 posted on 05/08/2007 5:51:15 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: airborne

Feel free to tell your version.


26 posted on 05/08/2007 5:52:17 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://forum.darwincentral.org/index.php)
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To: ASA Vet

Why are you saying something that is so obviously false?

RadioAstronomer left on his own, but he was not banned.


27 posted on 05/08/2007 5:52:55 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: ASA Vet

I already did.

He and Jim disagreed.

He chose not to post anymore.


28 posted on 05/08/2007 5:54:08 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: ASA Vet
Feel free to tell your version.

He's free to tell it himself.

29 posted on 05/08/2007 5:54:59 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: ASA Vet

hmmmm how odd (I am a scientist too)


30 posted on 05/08/2007 5:59:10 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: airborne

I just tried to send him a PM. There’s no one on the forum by that name so I can only assume he closed out his account or was purged.


31 posted on 05/08/2007 6:00:03 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: RadioAstronomer

PING!


32 posted on 05/08/2007 6:01:37 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: airborne

He was “pass worded” out. Ping all you want, but he can’t access his account. He is aware of this thread though, so go ahead an leave him a message.


33 posted on 05/08/2007 6:02:30 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://forum.darwincentral.org/index.php)
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To: Mr. K
.....how do I miss these things......

I seem to miss a lot of the good stuff too.
I did see the "host" thingy though by CGEB.
SB was already long gone when I heard about that one.

34 posted on 05/08/2007 6:05:04 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: RadioAstronomer; Jim Robinson

For whatever reason you no longer post here, I would welcome your return.

If you so desire.

I always enjoyed your posts and often learned from them.


35 posted on 05/08/2007 6:05:58 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: saganite

Rades was banned for having a both a keen brain and a sense of decency.


36 posted on 05/08/2007 6:22:08 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: RightWingAtheist

Who was Rades?


37 posted on 05/08/2007 6:29:17 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: ASA Vet; RadioAstronomer

Yikes RA. I hope you are reading this. You need to freepmail me and/or Sam so we can talk. We miss you.


38 posted on 05/08/2007 6:33:54 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: ASA Vet; RadioAstronomer

I’m an idiot. If you can’t get in you can’t freepmail. We moved and no longer have your number. Arrgh. If you are talking with ASA Vet maybe we can work through him.


39 posted on 05/08/2007 6:36:55 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: snippy_about_it
Yikes RA. I hope you are reading this. You need to freepmail me and/or Sam so we can talk. We miss you.

Check in to Darwin Central and you can communicate with him directly.

40 posted on 05/08/2007 6:41:58 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

Guess I should rename this thread “Where in the Universe is Radio Astronomer”.


41 posted on 05/08/2007 6:48:50 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: 6SJ7

Not to worry. Algore’s on it.


42 posted on 05/08/2007 7:27:43 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: saganite
If it blows up 100x stronger than a normal supernova, then, presuming a symmetrical explosion, the safe distance for us should be 10x that of a normal supernova. I know I’ve seen estimates of that distance, but can’t recall them. At a mere 7500-10,000 light years and predicted to blow in 50k-100k years this may be a bigger risk than Yellowstone. Call Discovery Channel.
43 posted on 05/08/2007 8:22:55 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: saganite
Quite a stellar explosion indeed!


44 posted on 05/08/2007 8:27:03 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Mr. K
I even missed the whole snow bunny saga and the host over the sun

Snow Bunny tried to pass herself off as a Vietnam-era USO showgirl with fake photographs.

Green Eyed Classy Blonde (GECB) tried to pass herself off as a woman with similar evidence.
--Except she was a he.

"And now you know the full story.
This is Paul Harvey ... Good Day!"

45 posted on 05/09/2007 5:43:00 AM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: airborne

No, he was banned.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=RadioAstronomer


46 posted on 05/09/2007 5:51:44 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: airborne; ASA Vet; saganite

THis was his last post. He had a run in with someone called T’wit, whom I’m not familiar with, who seemed to be a cheerleader for bannings on that thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts?page=9707#9707


47 posted on 05/09/2007 5:59:29 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

Thanks. That was the night all he!! broke loose.

Reading over the posts, he did criticize Jim and the Mods, and was warned to cool it.

He even acknowledged the possibility that he would get banned.

I don’t necessarily agree that it was ban worthy, but it’s not my call.


48 posted on 05/09/2007 6:29:40 AM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: doc30

I read back over his last few posts.

He and I were having a civil conversation.

I must admit, I’m puzzled.

Perhaps there was something said privately that we are not aware of?


49 posted on 05/09/2007 6:33:04 AM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: airborne
Perhaps there was something said privately that we are not aware of?

No, there wasn't. I'd encourage you to think about the nature of his banning as well - passwording. Of all the people to have that done to them....Rades? "Disgraceful" comes to mind.

50 posted on 05/09/2007 6:45:39 AM PDT by Shryke
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