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Ethanol backlash (Opponents fear ethanol craze will bring pollution, disruption)
suburbanchicagonews.com ^ | May 6, 2007 | SCOTT BAUER

Posted on 05/06/2007 9:18:04 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative

TOWN OF DOVER, Wis. (AP) -- Barney Lavin ought to be the poster child for ethanol.

A fifth-generation corn farmer, working the land his family homesteaded in 1842, Lavin should see dollar signs over a proposed ethanol plant in this small southeastern Wisconsin town.

Instead, Lavin put down his pitchfork and picked up his cell phone, joining the ranks of other unlikely opponents organizing against ethanol plants, fearing air pollution, increased traffic and groundwater depletion.

"I'm unwilling to give up the obvious quality of life we have here for some added income," said Lavin, who grows corn on a 300-acre farm on rolling hills that include a recently restored wetlands. "We feel very strongly about this area and we don't want it ruined."

Across the corn belt and beyond -- from Minnesota to Missouri, Illinois to Pennsylvania, Kansas to Indiana -- residents in areas targeted for ethanol plants are refusing to go along with politicians who say it is a more sustainable alternative to foreign oil and a way to save dying Main Streets.

There are 115 ethanol plants operating in the U.S. -- most of them are in Midwest states including top producers Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois and Minnesota. Another 79 are under construction or planned, according to the Renewable Fuels Association trade group.

Debbie Krogh lives next door to one of two proposed sites for the Dover plant.

"I can't tell you how sad this has actually made me," Krogh said. "We have had to fight for our lives here."

In most places, ethanol plants are welcomed, said Robert Dinneen, Renewable Fuels Association president.

According to the association, the ethanol industry created more than 153,000 jobs as of 2005 and boosted U.S. household income by $5.7 billion. The association also said ethanol industry operations and spending for new construction added $1.9 billion in federal tax revenue and $1.6 billion for state and local governments.

When ethanol plants are properly sited, and the benefits explained, opposition disappears, said Josh Morby, executive director of the Wisconsin Bio Industry Alliance, a group consisting primarily of businesses and labor organizations that benefit from increased ethanol production.

"Those of us in the industry are excited and encouraged by the technology and developments that are taking place, but it's important to remember the average citizen still doesn't know what ethanol is, where to get it, or the benefits of ethanol," Morby said.

Lack of community support was one reason South Dakota-based VeraSun Energy Corp. backed out of plans in March to build an ethanol plant in the town of Milford, Ind., population 1,500. Residents argued the proposed location was dangerous, would increase trucking truck traffic and posed a threat to the environment and quality of life. In South Dakota, Davison County officials want an ethanol company to help pay for some $2 million in road repairs blamed on increased truck traffic. In Illinois, a citizens' group filed a federal lawsuit to block further construction of an ethanol plant, and there are ethanol plant challenges elsewhere across the Midwest.

Lisa Glon, a 39-year-old stay-at-home mom who sells soaps and other products at a farmers' market, said she and other opponents thought the Indiana plant would be too close to residents and a school.

"We never took a stand against ethanol production," she said. "We simply said this site was bad. An ethanol refinery is a fuel refinery. And I don't believe that fuel refineries belong in back yards."

Ethanol is alcohol made from plants, usually corn, and it is blended with fuel to make it burn cleaner. In the process, pollution-causing chemicals and compounds are emitted along with a smell that supporters liken to popcorn but critics compare to manure.

Ethanol can help rural communities, said Chuck Hassebrook, executive director of the Center for Rural Affairs, a nonprofit farm advocacy group in Lyons, Neb. But he said policy makers must address the impact of ethanol facilities on the environment and dangers of overproduction.

"The nearly unlimited demand for liquid fuels cannot become the basis to simply rape our land and water," he said.

Christa Westerberg, a Madison, Wis., attorney whose firm has helped opponents fight ethanol plants since 2002, said the backlash is coming from people with no common thread -- young and old, environmentalists and farmers.

People like Lavin.

The 56-year-old Lavin grows corn on about 150 acres and feeds about 70 percent of it to cattle he raises under the shadow of a 127-year-old red barn with the family name painted on the side.

He said opponents to the Dover plant include farmers, longtime residents like Krogh and people who left the nearby cities of Milwaukee and Chicago. The town board recently voted against the plant, 836-291, though the developer is still looking for a location in Dover or elsewhere in Wisconsin.

A group of residents in Cambria, Wis., successfully fought a plant plan, but the developer simply moved to a site just outside the village's borders. It is scheduled to open in November.

"I think almost every plant that's been proposed in the state has been opposed," attorney Westerberg said. "They realize ethanol plants make pretty poor neighbors."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: alternativefuels; energy; ethanol; nimby

Not in my back yard!

1 posted on 05/06/2007 9:18:09 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Will it come down to NIMBY vs. Kelo?

Irresistable forces vs. immovable objects?


2 posted on 05/06/2007 9:22:50 AM PDT by sinanju (s)
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To: Paleo Conservative
put down his pitchfork and picked up his cell phone

Ooops! It sounds like someone was trying to build something near him.
3 posted on 05/06/2007 9:24:45 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Damn! It’s just a big whisky still.

“uisge baugh”


4 posted on 05/06/2007 9:26:02 AM PDT by Nasty McPhilthy (Those who beat their swords into plow shears will plow for those who don't.)
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To: sinanju

Look at the picture more closely. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to find a bigger version of it online. My local fishwrap published a very large version. Do you see the irony?


5 posted on 05/06/2007 9:28:31 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Just what is the guy’s back yard? A water retention pond?


6 posted on 05/06/2007 9:30:24 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40
Just what is the guy’s back yard? A water retention pond?

The low res picture doesn't show it too well, but that looks like a junked car and a junk pile in his yard.

7 posted on 05/06/2007 9:33:14 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Any true redneck would have the cars in the front yard.


8 posted on 05/06/2007 9:37:44 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Man made global warming is a man made LIE!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Mebbe if VeraSun Energy Corp. offered it’s product free to the locals, opposition might dry up.

I hate to assume things about people but that photo would lead one towards certain assumptions about the kind of people involved here...


9 posted on 05/06/2007 9:42:51 AM PDT by sinanju (s)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Another ill-conceived move with unintended consequences. If more farmers feel like this one, the ones who plant corn for ethanol will get a still higher price for it, thus encouraging more farmers to plant corn next year.
If you want to see this trend reversed, everyone should plant corn fence-row-to-fence-row, which would result in a corn surplus, a crash in prices, and fewer farmers growing corn in the future.


10 posted on 05/06/2007 9:48:27 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: sinanju

You don’t know much about farming. You don’t throw anything away that you might find a use for someday.
Eventually he will identify stuff that has little furture use and it will go to the scrap yard or be burned.


11 posted on 05/06/2007 9:50:39 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Paleo Conservative

For an answer...take a look at the stock price of Cameco (CCJ) the worlds largest uranium producer.


12 posted on 05/06/2007 9:54:20 AM PDT by spokeshave ("Hitlery is uniting the country. Everybody hates her.")
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
uisge baugh

Water of Life
Ancient Gaelic

I've not seen that phrase in a long time...

13 posted on 05/06/2007 9:59:24 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Paleo Conservative

My guess is, that as fertilizers (growing corn is fertilizer intensive) which are derived from natural gas become more expensive and as arable land is increasingly needed for production of FOOD (as the billions grow into more billions), ethanol for SUV’s will be a dead issue. Even now, producing ethanol for fuel involves a net energy loss.

I’d rather have the corn flakes.


14 posted on 05/06/2007 10:03:51 AM PDT by medicis
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To: medicis

You’re preaching to the choir. What’s even worse is that farmers in states like Kansas use nonrenewable water from aquifers to grow corn that is used to make ethanol as a source of “renewable engegy”.


15 posted on 05/06/2007 10:08:17 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: kittymyrib
If you want to see this trend reversed, everyone should plant corn fence-row-to-fence-row, which would result in a corn surplus, a crash in prices, and fewer farmers growing corn in the future.

With the planting season now behind us, I can say with certainty that your wish has been granted.

16 posted on 05/06/2007 10:15:03 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Opps, only a PART of your wish has been granted. The fence to fence part.


17 posted on 05/06/2007 10:15:48 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: sinanju; em2vn
I hate to assume things about people but that photo would lead one towards certain assumptions about the kind of people involved here...

Agreed. They sure aren't blow-dried John Edwards liberals, I bet! Good thrifty Americans, I'd wager.

18 posted on 05/06/2007 10:34:08 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
"We never took a stand against ethanol production," she said. "We simply said this site was bad. An ethanol refinery is a fuel refinery. And I don't believe that fuel refineries belong in back yards."

Actually it's not so much a refinery as it is a giant distillery (a still) and the only way ethanol will economically replace petroleum - unless you live in Iowa - is if you distill your own ethanol in your backyard to eliminate the transportation costs. But you must get rid of that swimming pool and plant corn now.

19 posted on 05/06/2007 10:46:28 AM PDT by bikerMD (Beware, the light at the end of the tunnel may be a muzzle flash.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Hey, I think I saw that yard on Blue Collar TV’s “Redneck Yard of the Week”.


20 posted on 05/06/2007 10:51:58 AM PDT by sportutegrl (Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran)
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To: kittymyrib

Right now it’s raining in the midwest. Farmers have some of their crop planted, but it’s going to be after Mothers Day for the bulk. This has the futures market rattled, got to. The economists say that corn and soybean farmers are not going to “mud-in” their corn, that they are going to be very careful about yields and doing everything right.


21 posted on 05/06/2007 11:02:47 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Paleo Conservative
[”We never took a stand against ethanol production,” she said. “We simply said this site was bad. An ethanol refinery is a fuel refinery. And I don’t believe that fuel refineries belong in back yards.”]

That sounds just like the environmentalists on the East Coast who support wind energy ...until someone figures out that the best way to get wind energy is to place the turbines offshore, right where these snobs have to look at them through the windows of their huge beach houses. Then, all of a sudden, wind energy isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

Isn’t that right, Ted Kennedy? Isn’t that right, Al Gore?

22 posted on 05/06/2007 11:23:25 AM PDT by spinestein (Who put the rhyme in the rhyme a lyma ding dong?)
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To: bikerMD
Actually it's not so much a refinery as it is a giant distillery (a still) and the only way ethanol will economically replace petroleum - unless you live in Iowa - is if you distill your own ethanol in your backyard to eliminate the transportation costs. But you must get rid of that swimming pool and plant corn now.

Uh, what do you think a refinery is? It's just a huge still that instead of distilling ethanol, distills' petroleum.

Mom and pop refineries disappeared over a century ago when John D. Rockefeller forced them out of business. There are huge economies of scale in refining. A whole bunch of small refineries are less efficient and emit more pollution than one large modern refinery. The same think goes for stills. A huge industrial sized still wastes less heat than a bunch of back yard stills and emits less pollution.

23 posted on 05/06/2007 1:38:18 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: spinestein
[”We never took a stand against ethanol production,” she said. “We simply said this site was bad. An ethanol refinery is a fuel refinery. And I don’t believe that fuel refineries belong in back yards.”]

I would agree. Refineries don't belong close to homes. The refineries in the refinery district in Corpus Christi bought up all the homes between the refineries and I-37. Everyone made out pretty well on that program. The home owners got above market value premiums for their homes. The refineries eliminated the risk of people living nearby getting injured or killed by chemical releases or fires. This lead to less risk of being sued and lower insurance premiums. With all the low end housing near the refineries torn down, the area between I-37 and the refineries has become a green belt.

24 posted on 05/06/2007 1:51:50 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Freedom4US

Right now it’s raining in the midwest. Farmers have some of their crop planted, but it’s going to be after Mothers Day for the bulk. This has the futures market rattled, got to. The economists say that corn and soybean farmers are not going to “mud-in” their corn, that they are going to be very careful about yields and doing everything right.”

As a kid raised on a dairy farm in Wis, I have said all along that we are totally crazy to put so many eggs into a basket that is at the complete control of Mother Nature.
One year of drought or too much rain, and we will all be walking. I get to ride my horse, tho. Maybe I can make a few bucks on that.....


25 posted on 05/06/2007 3:46:21 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Paleo Conservative
I fail to see why everyone thinking "Ethanol" immediately starts thinking fermentation and distillation with corn as a feedstock. This is great if you are setting out to make "sipping whiskey" but is not an efficient process. Whereas the hydration of ethylene gas (C2H6) results in ethanol (C2H5OH) in a one step process that scales up to industrial production easily and results in no byproduct (spent corn mash) to find a use for.

Using corn to manufacture ethanol is a thinly veiled subsidy for agribusiness.

Regards
GtG

26 posted on 05/06/2007 4:17:40 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: kittymyrib
A simple solution lies off-shore in the Gulf of Mexico. We could be drilling there, but our enviro-nazis won't allow.

Meanwhile, just a few miles away, Pemex can drill with rigs which our envro-nazis can't do a damn thing about. Mexico can sell the same oil to us or trade it for corn. Of course, it is easier to colonize us with illegals.

27 posted on 05/06/2007 5:16:18 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Paleo Conservative

If ethanol was an economically viable automotive fuel technology, Congress wouldn’t have to steal your tax dollars to subsidize ADM and other multi-billion dollar companies to get in the business. I’m all for letting the sheiks drown in their worthless oil, but ethanol isn’t going to be the savior (unless you’re ADM or have a buddy in Congress).


28 posted on 05/06/2007 7:33:24 PM PDT by bikerMD (Beware, the light at the end of the tunnel may be a muzzle flash.)
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To: bikerMD

I completely agree. Ethanol is just a pork program.


29 posted on 05/06/2007 7:39:44 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

“Using corn to manufacture ethanol is a thinly veiled subsidy for agribusiness.”
_________________________________________________________________-

You only just figure that out? This whole ethanol fraud is the culmination of a quarter-century long project by Archer Daniels Midland to prostate-milk the american taxpayer and make billions in the process.


30 posted on 05/06/2007 7:46:38 PM PDT by sinanju (s)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
I fail to see why everyone thinking "Ethanol" immediately starts thinking fermentation and distillation with corn as a feedstock.

It is the classic strawman argument.
31 posted on 05/07/2007 6:37:04 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: bikerMD
Congress wouldn’t have to steal your tax dollars

What tax dollars would those be? Ethanol producers get a tax break...so whose money is being stolen?
32 posted on 05/07/2007 6:38:57 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Away from arguing the pros v. cons of Ethanol, the Liberals already have us over a barrel by not letting us drill for oil on our own soil or coastal waters where we know there is oil.

The next group that is a danger to this country is the NIMBYS. It doesn’t matter what form of energy production it it, they are against it.


33 posted on 05/07/2007 6:43:45 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: P-40
What tax dollars would those be? Ethanol producers get a tax break...so whose money is being stolen?

MINE!!! When Congress mandates ethanol additive in my fuel, and subsidizes the industry (via tax break, take giveaway, direct payment, whatever you want to call it) it forces me to PAY for a fuel additive/substitute that is a net loser in the fossil/plant fuel equation. My apologies to all the moonshine drinking hillbillies out there but the only thing ethanol is useful for is a good buzz on Saturday night.

34 posted on 05/07/2007 7:27:02 AM PDT by bikerMD (Beware, the light at the end of the tunnel may be a muzzle flash.)
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To: bikerMD

So when an ethanol producer gets a cut in *their* taxes you feel it is *your* money?


35 posted on 05/07/2007 7:34:57 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

First of all you apparently need to be reminded that businesses do not pay taxes. Their consumers pay taxes. Businesses are Congress’ tax collectors. So the tax credit game is zero sum. You can pay full price now(including excise tax)for the ethanol when you use it, or you pay the subsidized lower price now and pay the rest later when Congress hands out the tax breaks (from the Treasury) to the big farmers (ADM) and their buddies building the stills in Iowa. The production cost of ethanol is the same. The difference is that all taxpayers get to contribute a little to the ethanol (including the bribes and kickbacks to the politicians) that goes into my tank.


36 posted on 05/07/2007 8:03:58 AM PDT by bikerMD (Beware, the light at the end of the tunnel may be a muzzle flash.)
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To: bikerMD
So the tax credit game is zero sum.

No, tax credits are ways of stimulating positive business results by charging a business less in taxes if it produces a certain result. The consumers will eventually pay the taxes when they purchase the products but they do not have the vested interest that the business does in the tax bill. In fact, consumers care very little about what goes on behind the scenes to bring them their goods and services.
37 posted on 05/07/2007 8:11:37 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: bikerMD
[...subsidizes the industry (via tax break, take giveaway, direct payment, whatever you want to call it)...

Classic Keynesian argument; the money belongs to the government and if someone gets a tax break it’s the equivalent of a “giveaway”.

These “managed economy” and “wealth redistribution” ideas are just plain WRONG and they should have been abandoned as unworkable years ago. But for some reason they haven’t (because a more powerful government benefits politicians who make the laws), and it’s sad to see this type of thinking showing up here at FR.

Alcohol production for use as fuel, which can be made from many different plants beside corn, is inherently no more costly to produce than it is to refine crude oil into usable fuel.

38 posted on 05/07/2007 9:51:29 AM PDT by spinestein (Who put the rhyme in the rhyme a lyma ding dong?)
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To: sinanju
You only just figure that out?

No actually, I've been an engineer for over forty years and have a degree in internal combustion engine design which among other things includes the study of fuels and lubricants. To put things into perspective I was in the F&L lab conducting an experiment to measure the higher heating value of a sample using a Parr bomb calorimeter when the intercom announced Kennedy's assignation. I know for a fact that ethanol is, at best, a mediocre fuel that realistically should be priced no higher then 60% of petroleum products based on its energy content. We in SE Wisconsin, however, pay an increased cost for a 10% ethanol blend to satisfy the tree huggers in Washington and are gifted with decreased milage for our trouble.

My comments were intended to point out that if we must burn a crappy fuel, lets at least manufacture it in an efficient manner. If no one points out the flaws of the fermentation/distillation process that's what will be rammed down our throats.

Regards
GtG

39 posted on 05/07/2007 9:59:01 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: spinestein
It costs more to grow and refine it and haul it to your hometown than the same amount of $70/barrel refined crude oil. IF we turned every kernel of US corn into ethanol it wouldn't replace more than 12% of our current fossil fuel demand. The Congressclowns are just using our money to create an industry where there is none today and force the product into our gas tanks. If it has to be subsidized it isn't an economically viable venture to start with. You get the award.

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40 posted on 05/07/2007 10:07:15 AM PDT by bikerMD (Beware, the light at the end of the tunnel may be a muzzle flash.)
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To: bikerMD
Did you take that picture of yourself with a tripod and timer or did you have your boyfriend take it?
41 posted on 05/08/2007 8:21:28 AM PDT by spinestein (Who put the rhyme in the rhyme a lyma ding dong?)
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To: spinestein
Did you take that picture of yourself with a tripod and timer or did you have your boyfriend take it?

Tripod!! ROFLMAO you are Hilarious aren't you. And the boyfriend thing...that was punishing. I can't top that. Well I guess you win. By the looks of your profile you're obviously a legend in your own mind. That's exactly what my profile would look like if I followed your example and made up a bunch of self-aggrandizing bullshi+ to post on a who-gives-a-freeping flip website.

42 posted on 05/08/2007 10:55:55 AM PDT by bikerMD (Beware, the light at the end of the tunnel may be a muzzle flash.)
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