Posted on 05/03/2007 11:02:50 AM PDT by SmithL
WASHINGTON, (AP) -- Just hours after the White House issued a veto threat Thursday, the House voted to add gender and sexual orientation to the categories covered by federal hate crimes law.
The House legislation, passed 237-180, also makes it easier for federal law enforcement to take part in or assist local prosecutions involving bias-motivated attacks. Similar legislation is also moving through the Senate, setting the stage for another veto showdown with President Bush.
"This is an important vote of conscience, of a statement of what America is, a society that understands that we accept differences," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md.
Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the only openly gay man in the House, presided over the chamber as the final vote was taken.
The vote came after fierce lobbying from civil rights groups, who have been pushing for years for added protections against hate crimes, and social conservatives, who say the bill threatens the right to express moral opposition to homosexuality and singles out groups of citizens for special protection.
The White House, in a statement warning of a veto, said state and local criminal laws already cover the new crimes defined under the bill, and there was "no persuasive demonstration of any need to federalize such a potentially large range of violent crime enforcement."
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Not Veto-Proof. George, get the pen.
I’m concerned with the word “Perceived” that is peppered throughout this bill.
It seems to extend the “hate crimes” from violent action to thought.
That concerns me more than the blatant violation of the 14 Amendment.
I didn’t know there was a federal hate crimes law.
‘All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.’
Animal Farm (George Orwell)
your tax dollars at work
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| Democratic | 212 | 14 | 6 | |
| Republican | 25 | 166 | 10 | |
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And if they don't think like us we'll punish them for it. The hypocrisy couldn't be more apparent.
so barging in on a political office or a campaign office or ripping out campaign signs from yards or vandalizing cars/slashing tires can now be a hate crime?
Some activists are not going to like that.
By definition, hate crimes legislation has ALWAYS been about thought. Hate is not an action; it is a thought.
"Except for differences with us", he added mentally.
Irresponsible, unimaginable, unfair, insane legislation...
What's your logic? This $hit would have never passed even with a GOP majority watered down with Rhinos. Now with Dem control and a those same Rhinos it's now down to counting heads for the VETO to hold. Does that make you feel safer?
Of course the two new moonbats from NH voted Yea (Hodes and Shea-Porter).
Who will be the ‘thought police’?
Email from a friend
The Thought Police
What the Hate Crimes Law Would Do
Chuck Colson
May 1, 2007
In George Orwell’s classic novel 1984, the government Thought Police constantly spies on citizens to make sure they are not thinking rebellious thoughts. Thought crimes are severely punished by Big Brother.
1984 was intended as a warning against totalitarian governments that enslave and control their citizens. Never have we needed this warning more urgently than now, because America’s Thought Police are knocking on your door.
Last week the House Judiciary Committee, egged on by radical homosexual groups, passed what can only be called a Thought Crimes bill. It’s called the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. But this bill is not
about hate. It’s not even about crime. It’s about outlawing peaceful speech
— speech that asserts that homosexual behavior is morally wrong.
Some say we need this law to prevent attacks on homosexuals. But we already have laws against assaults on people and property. Moreover, according to the FBI, crimes against homosexuals in the United States have dropped
dramatically in recent years. In 2005, out of 863,000 cases of aggravated assault, just 177 cases were crimes of bias against homosexuals — far less than even 1 percent.
Another problem is that in places where hate crimes laws have been passed, hate crimes have been defined to include verbal attacks — and even peaceful speech. The Thought Police have already prosecuted Christians under hate crimes laws in England, Sweden, Canada, and even in some places
in the United States.
If this dangerous law passes, pastors who preach sermons giving the biblical view of homosexuality could be prosecuted. Christian businessmen who refuse to print pro-gay literature could be prosecuted. Groups like
Exodus International, which offer therapy to those with unwanted same-sex attraction, could be shut down.
In classic 1984 fashion, peaceful speech will be redefined as a violent attack worthy of punishment.
This is the unspoken goal of activist groups. We know this because during the debate over the bill last week, Congressman Mike Pence (R) of Indiana offered a Freedom of Religion amendment to this hate crimes bill. It asked
that nothing in this law limit the religious freedom of any person or group under the Constitution. The committee refused to adopt it.
It also refused to adopt amendments protecting other groups from hate crimes — like members of the military, who are often targets of verbal attacks and spitting. They also shot down amendments that would protect the homeless
and senior citizens, also often targeted by criminals.
Nothing doing, the committee said — the only group they wanted to protect: homosexuals.
Clearly, the intent of this law is not to prevent crime, but to shut down freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of thought. Its passage would strike at the very heart of our democracy.
The full Congress may vote on this bill as early as this week. Unless you want Big Brother telling you what to say, what to think, and what to believe, I urge you to contact your congressman immediately, urging him or her to vote against this bill. If you visit the BreakPoint website
http://www.breakpoint.org/listingarticle.asp?ID=6440#Further, you’ll find
more information about this radical law.
If we do nothing, 1984 will no longer be fiction, and Big Brother will be watching you and me — ready to punish the “wrong” thoughts.
The House didn’t pass it.....Democrats passed it. Big difference. The Bill also doesn’t talk about discrimination against White Males. Guess we loose again.
Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the only openly gay man in the House...”
Frank should head up the Sodomy & AIDS Committee, since he’s an expert. He must know all about gay sex and the spread of disease by gays, causing a worldwide epidemic costing billions of dollars and millions (?) of lives. Gays are proud to be spreading disease and abusing children.
My rep voted NO. Of course, I called him and let him know that I was against it yesterday. I’m going to start calling everytime so my voice will be heard.
Thanks, Bwarny! You too Uncle Ted!
This POS bill should be unconstitutional since it clearly doesn’t provide EQUAL protection under the law; it creates a special class of people who have more rights than others and declares the courts have the ability to read the mind’s of the accused!
looks like the presidential candidate hunter did not feel this was an important enough issue to even cast a vote........ Thompson / DeLay in ‘08
14 Democrats went against the party. I wonder how they will be punished, threatened, or harangued.
... unconstitutional, il-legal, un-American, un-civilized, un-juristicational. Is it time to start over... Declaration of Independence and that series...?
“I didn’t know there was a federal hate crimes law.”
Yes, since 1994. The FBI keeps track of hate crimes victimizations using the Uniform Crime Report system.
For example, in 2005 there were 8,795 victims of bias-incidents charged as hate crimes. 4,895 of those were racial bias victimizations and 975 of them were anti-white bias victimizations while 3,322 were anti-black victimizations. There were also 1,405 relgious bias hate crimes with 977 anti-Jewish victimizations and 119 anti-Christian victimizations. There were also 1,213 victimizations for sexual orientation, 1,228 victimizations for ethnicity/national origin and 54 victimizations for disability status.
The federal government and most states use sentencing enhancements with hate crimes meaning the perpetrator has been found guilty of assault or arson and sentenced for that crime and then if a hate motive can be proved to judge/jury then additional time served is added. Its the same way that crimes against police officers are adjudicated.
Later read/pingout.
I once read that the Romans used thought crimes to persecute the Christians. That was how they supplied adequate numbers of entertainers for their events.
This is what it's about. FedGov getting into the police business. One more step to immananetizing the XIVth.
You can kiss freedom goodbye whenever the RATS hold power.
Congress gets like a filled diaper.
You don’t like to, but something you just gotta change it.
The Dems know that if they push too radical an agenda, they will lose next go-round.
One of them was my Congresscritter, Lincoln Davis. Down home southern Dems are often conservatives....
And unconstitutional. Bill’s a joke.
Bush will veto this in a New York minute - he successfully veteoed a similar bill in Texas in 1999.
My wimpy Dem, John Tanner didn’t have the guts to vote!
Like Teddy the murderer? They will probably blame alcohol and go into rehab for 30 days and be right as rain.
But the stuff they do get written into law almost never gets rescinded because the general public gets used to it, and the protected groups demand to keep their special status. We lose ground almost all the time. The best we do at times is hold our own.
So it begins. Big Brother is beginning to control our every thoughts. Every crime out there as a reason, and ususally one has to hate someone or totally disregard them to commit a crime against them. A person should be punished for their crime, not the motivation of it. Sometimes there may be a few cases of obvious hatred like if the Ku Klux Klan began murdering blacks and sticking burning crosses in their yards, but most of the time one would really have to pry into the thoughts of another or falsely accuse them to charge them of a hate crime. Freedom of speech is needs to be protected in this country. Freedom of speech includes peaceful Christian opposition to homosexuality.
I just recently discovered FR but I bookmarked this site a few years ago when our small town came under attack by gay
revolutionaries.
http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/archive/family/gay_agenda8-97.html
Nowhere is this truth more shockingly portrayed than in this essay on the homosexual agenda, written by “gay revolutionary” Mark Swift and printed in the Feb. 15, ‘87 issue of Gay Community News. These excerpts are reprinted from the Congressional Record:
“We shall sodomize your sons....We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms...in your youth groups.... Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding.... They will come to crave and adore us. All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men. Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable.... We shall raise vast, private armies...to defeat you. The family unit...will be abolished. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory.... All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men. Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.”
So now if I go to McDonald’s and a PETAhead criticizes me for going there and I call them the Vegan Taliban, I’ll go to jail.
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