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Blair angry as Libyan al-Qaeda suspects win UK appeal [outrage]
Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | April 27, 2007

Posted on 04/27/2007 5:41:02 PM PDT by jdm

Two dangerous Libyan terror suspects will be freed to walk Britain's streets after the Home Office's attempts to deport them were thrown out by senior judges yesterday.

John Reid is trying to send the men home to using a controversial "memorandum of understanding" - by which Colonel Gadaffi's government promised not to torture or kill them on their return.

The aim was to overcome objections to their removal to Libya on human rights grounds.

But yesterday the Special Immigration Appeals Commission [SIAC] in London ruled that the Libyan government could not be trusted and blocked the deportation order, despite a mass of evidence of the threat they pose to national security.

The move struck a damaging and embarrassing blow to the Government's entire counter-terrorist strategy and means other Libyan terror suspects currently in detention in the UK may also have to be released.

One of the suspects, identified only as "DD", set up an extremist Islamic website which praised martyrdom and is related to convicted and dead terrorists.

He was caught with a streetmap on which footpaths underneath the approach flight path to Birmingham International Airport had been highlighted.

Judges concluded that he is a "real and direct threat to the national security of the UK" and a "global jihadist with links to the Taliban and al Qaeda."

The other man, known as AS, was described as a "senior member" in a terrorist group thought to have planned attacks in Europe and as "a clear danger to national security."

Despite the threat they pose, SIAC yesterday upheld their appeals against deportation.

Both men are expected to be freed on bail next week - overruling Home Office objections - with strict conditions including 12 curfews at their home addresses.

The court's chairman Mr Justice Ouseley ruled that their human rights could be breached if they were sent home to Libya, even though it was "not a probable risk", and that they could be denied a fair trial.

He said the only monitoring arrangements relied on an organisation run by Col Gadaffi's own son ensuring that the men were not mistreated.

The Home Office has signed Memoranda of Understanding (MOUs) with Libya, Jordan and Lebanon - and reached a similar deal with Algeria - in the hope of deporting foreign terror suspects to countries with questionable human rights records where there is not enough evidence to prosecute them in Britain.

Human rights campaigners claim the deals are not worth the paper they are printed on. Some two dozen suspects are currently held awaiting removal, including Abu Qatada who faces deportation to Jordan.

But a string of legal appeals mean none have so far been sent home and yesterday's ruling raises grave questions over the entire strategy.

The Home Office voiced its disappointment and announced plans to appeal last night, although SIAC judges described their chances of success as "scant."

Civil rights campaigners urged ministers to reconsider the whole principle of MOU deals with Islamic states.

Shami Chakrabarti, director of human rights group Liberty, said: "The Government should concentrate on eradicating the practice of torture, not extracting incredible paper promises."

Amnesty International UK director Kate Allen said: "Britain should not be trying to cut deals with torturers. If people are suspected of committing a crime, they should be charged and put on trial."



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; appeal; blair; uk
One of the suspects, identified only as "DD", set up an extremist Islamic website which praised martyrdom and is related to convicted and dead terrorists.

He was caught with a streetmap on which footpaths underneath the approach flight path to Birmingham International Airport had been highlighted.

Scary stuff... and they're now free men.

1 posted on 04/27/2007 5:41:06 PM PDT by jdm
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To: jdm

Things are about to spin out of control.
We have nations full of sympathisers/wussies who want to give away their own lives and the lives of their countrymen for what?....
Sanddabs who can make them feel less guilty about their success?
I am ready to throw in the towel, this PC world is not based in reality any longer..we are all dressed “in the Emperor’s New Clothes!


2 posted on 04/27/2007 5:48:41 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: jdm

Does the “Special Immigration Appeals Commission” have authority in matters of national security in Britain? This seems a bit too much authority without accountability in national security matters, imo.


3 posted on 04/27/2007 6:00:33 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: the anti-liberal

Does the EU have anything to do with immigration appeals in member countries? Isolation is seeming pretty attractive lately.


4 posted on 04/27/2007 6:05:52 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: CremeSaver
My understanding is that the EU is mostly an economic pact. However, my understanding is limited, you understand.

If I were a EU member state, I would be very, very uneasy about granting extensive legislative and executive powers over member states to an "EU."

5 posted on 04/27/2007 6:24:17 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: the anti-liberal

Whatever happened to “preventive detention”?

The PC left has eviserated internal security and the Brits are becoming craven cowards and appeasers. Churchill is spinning in his grave.


6 posted on 04/27/2007 6:32:17 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: Max Friedman

>The PC left has eviserated internal security and the Brits are becoming craven cowards and appeasers Churchill is spinning in his grave.<

The Brit schools have probably not taught any Churchillian writings, or world history of the early to mid 20th centrury in their schools. Same as in America. Dumbing down makes the takeover that much easier.


7 posted on 04/27/2007 6:39:12 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: CremeSaver
As I chewed on my barbecued steak I mulled over what I has said and realized that I should've included the judicial powers in that statement as well.

If the Eu has legislative, executive, and judicial power and authority, it would be a country in and of itself, with all the member countries as States.

That would be a neat trick - a bloodless conquest by... ?

8 posted on 04/27/2007 6:53:47 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: jdm
But yesterday the Special Immigration Appeals Commission [SIAC] in London ruled that the Libyan government could not be trusted

Difficult to argue with that conclusion.

9 posted on 04/27/2007 6:58:41 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: jdm

This type of stuff would be happening here if the Dems had their way with the terrorists at Club Gitmo.


10 posted on 04/27/2007 7:14:58 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: the anti-liberal
I think the EU is trying very hard to become much more than an economic pact. I thought, as you do, but I’m learning a lot more from Biased BBC and the EU Referendum blog sites. I think the next conflict in Europe will be a "civil war."
11 posted on 04/27/2007 7:55:03 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: CremeSaver
You know, it occurs to me that the Democrats in the US, whether intentionally or not, could very easily foment civil war here. All it would take is for someone who loves this country, knows its history and is horrified by what the Democratic party is doing to it, to assassinate a Democratic leader - thereby inciting a response from liberals and other Democrats against conservatives and Republicans.

It's sad that an attack on our own leadership (the Dems) could be seen as a defense of the nation against an enemy within.

Would make for a good movie, in any case.

12 posted on 04/27/2007 8:47:45 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: the anti-liberal

...by french and germans...what hitler and napoleon failed to do.


13 posted on 04/27/2007 8:51:43 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
Yikes - the French are heading into Sharia Law (Sarkozy might slow it down a bit). Imagine: Islamaniacs work their way up through the judicial system of a political and economically unified EU.

All the more reason to secure Iraq and the rest of the Middle East on the side of sanity, freedom, and democracy.

It seems the Germans are heading the way of France too.

14 posted on 04/27/2007 9:00:37 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: the anti-liberal

An all out american civil war in this day and age would be the end of america. The world would not stand by as spectators. The world would be licking their chops in glee contemplating which pieces to grab for themselves. China, Russia, the EU, and Mexico would be top contenders.


15 posted on 04/27/2007 9:00:48 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: MadIvan

ping


16 posted on 04/27/2007 9:03:31 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: the anti-liberal

Germany is new turkey.


17 posted on 04/27/2007 9:03:37 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
Given the increasingly antagonistic division between the left and the right, and the idiocy being produced by our public education system, and given the seriousness of the consequences, I have to wonder how seriously the possibility of an American civil war should be taken.

Considerations of how to keep one from taking place, and considerations of how to contain it if it does take place, and how to prepare for the outcome. What are the possible outcomes - like those you mentioned - in terms of increasing or decreasing probabilities.

It seems to me that all it would take is one well-placed sniper bullet from either a lunatic liberal or a frustrated conservative to spark it off.

Or I could just be a prime candidate for the tin-foil hat brigade.

18 posted on 04/27/2007 9:20:24 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: the anti-liberal
I had a dream awhile back that we did go into civil war. Before anyone knew what was happening, the UN had stepped in and outlawed the republican party, patriotism, the US military , and the US constitution. There were plenty of nations volunteering forces to enforce the UN law on american soil. There were plenty of americans assisting the UN on the grounds that it was for the greater good and the beleif that anything was better than civil war.

What they didn’t count on was the american military. The american military quickly purged itself of lefties and UN sympathizers and then went underground. Unknown to the world, the pentagon and NASA had been working on space warfare...and had perfected it. All the world's orbiting communication and military satellites were immediately taken over or destroyed. Soon after, the entire worlds missile silos and much of air traffic ceased to exist. US military assets were now able to hide in remote areas. It became a chess match on the oceans...an underground US military vs the world. Families of the US military had to be evacuated from america and went into hiding on the oceans. They quit calling themselves “US military” and started calling themselves “rogue eagles”. They existed by piracy and a technological advantage coming from controlling the only operating satellite communications and truly massive air superiority. Their longterm goal was to neutralize the UN and liberate america. They slowly began recruiting rogue eagle sympathizers from all over the world.

When the UN began to lose ground, they hatched a truely evil plan to trap the rogue eagles and exterminate them. They planned an all out assault on israel to lure the rogue eagles to israel's defense. They let it be known to the rogue eagles that their intent was to kill every jewish human being. The muslims were shrieking in orgasmic delight.

Then I woke up.

19 posted on 04/27/2007 9:55:52 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: the anti-liberal
I pray a movie is all it would ever be, as much as I dislike democrats I wouldn't wish them dead. I don't think we would get such courtesy, though, do you? SmileyCentral.com
20 posted on 04/28/2007 11:21:47 AM PDT by CremeSaver
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