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U.S. had emergency plan for attacking Israel in 1967
Haaretz,Israel ^ | 23/04/2007 | Amir Oren

Posted on 04/23/2007 7:21:41 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

U.S. had emergency plan for attacking Israel in 1967

By Amir Oren, Haaretz Correspondent

For some time, the United States had had an emergency plan to attack Israel, a plan updated just prior to the 1967 war, aimed at preventing Israel from expanding westward, into Sinai, or eastward, into the West Bank.

In May 1967, one of the U.S. commands was charged with the task of removing the plan from the safe, refreshing it and preparing for an order to go into action.

This unknown aspect of the war was revealed in what was originally a top-secret study conducted by the Institute for Defense Analyses in Washington. The full story is detailed in Haaretz' Independence Day Supplement.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1967; israel; sixdaywar

1 posted on 04/23/2007 7:21:43 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/851705.html

The right to strike

By Amir Oren

The right to strike

By Amir Oren

The end of the story is known: During the Six-Day War, no battles were waged between the Israel Defense Forces and the United States. True, the American spy ship “Liberty” was attacked by mistake, but neither side initiated exchanges of fire. What is not known - and because of it, the story is riveting nevertheless - took place in the background. For some time, the United States had had an emergency plan to attack Israel. In May 1967, one of the U.S. commands was charged with the task of removing the plan from the safe, refreshing it and preparing for an order to go into action. However, the preparations lagged behind the developments in the diplomatic arena, and even further behind the successes of Israel’s air force and armored divisions in Sinai. The general who was planning to attack Israel made do with extricating frightened American citizens and a panic-stricken ambassador from Jordan.

This unknown aspect of the war was revealed in what was originally a top-secret study conducted by the Institute for Defense Analyses in Washington. In February 1968, an institute expert, L. Weinstein, wrote an article called “Critical Incident No. 14,” about the U.S. involvement in the Middle East crisis of May-June 1967. Only 30 copies of his study were printed for distribution. Years later the material was declassified and can now be read by everyone, although details that are liable to give away sources’ identities and operational ideas have remained censored.

Strike Command, the entity that was to have launched the attack on Israel, no longer exists. It was annulled in 1971 for domestic American reasons and superseded by Readiness Command, which was abolished in the 1980s in favor of Central Command (CENTCOM) - which today includes forces in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and Afghanistan - and the Special Operations Command (SOCOM).

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The general who oversaw the planning in 1967 was Theodore John (”Ted”) Conway. In Israeli terms, taking into consideration all the relevant differences, he can be likened to Avraham Tamir and Yuval Ne’eman, Aharon Yariv and Giora Eiland. Conway was a talented but forgotten officer, who did not leave a powerful impression on the history of the army that made use mainly of his brain; he did more participating than actual fighting in his generation’s wars. His qualities as a curious and intelligent planner, a quick study who was creative in his solutions, led his commanders to assign him to headquarters and deprived him of the prospect of leading fighting forces.

That didn’t stop Conway from advancing through the ranks. In the last decade of his service he moved up quickly to the highest level - that of four-star general - at the age of 56, as head of Strike Command. It was in this last post, ahead of his retirement, that he served as the crisis of May 1967 unfolded. It was his last opportunity to see whether what he had conceptualized could truly be realized.

‘Subway’ soldiers

Conway, who hailed from Indianapolis, described himself jestingly as one of the “subway” soldiers, as New Yorkers who enlisted to serve in World War II were sometimes described: short men, whose dimensions suited the crowding on the underground trains. He was a small, coiled spring, a physical fitness zealot. Every New Year’s Day he made his officers take part in a 16-kilometer run, so that they would not spend the holiday watching television in a beer-induced stupor on the couch.

In the 1930s he was sent to Paris to study France, its language and culture, in order to return to West Point and teach the cadets about them. His exposure to Europe peeled away the provinciality that characterized the American officer corps at that time. During World War II, in the course of his service in North Africa, Italy and France - sometimes as an interpreter and liaison between the U.S. and British forces, and between both of them and the French forces - Conway acquired expertise and an understanding of the complexities of security and diplomacy on both shores of the Mediterranean. If the U.S. Army was going to have to act in the Middle East, there was no officer more suited than him to command the forces in the period of the Six-Day War.

As a 30-year-old captain at the start of the American involvement in the world war, Conway volunteered for the paratroops, but was disqualified because of his age. A decade later, after two years in military colleges, he discovered that the only way to avoid being assigned to a desk job in the Pentagon was to volunteer for the paratroops. He tried again, and this time, as a colonel of 40, he was given command of a brigade.

In October 1961, when President John Kennedy paid a visit to Fort Bragg, the headquarters of the paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne Division and of the Special Forces, the then 50-year-old Conway was already the commander of the division, had parachuted with his troops and marched back to base with them in a trek of 135 kilometers. His deputy, Ed Rowny, later recalled the presentation Conway prepared for Kennedy: He divided the division into five units and dressed each of them in a different uniform, in order to demonstrate the division’s flexibility to carry out missions anywhere in the world. One group was in standard battle fatigues, ready to be airlifted to Europe; a second was in jungle camouflage fatigues, ready to deploy to Vietnam; a third wore desert camouflage fatigues; a fourth wore winter uniforms of the Korean War type; and the fifth, equipped with skis and wearing white ski suits, was available for Arctic operations.

Within a few months, Conway’s clever presentation of worldwide readiness sparked an imitation. At MacDill Air Force Base, near Tampa, Florida, the headquarters of Strike Command, an officer demonstrated for the camera of the ground forces monthly journal Army just how ready every soldier there was for any mission anywhere: They had not one duffle bag and not two, but three: one Arctic, one tropic, one miscellaneous.

Worrisome gaps

Strike Command (STRICOM) was established in January 1962 at the order of President Kennedy and his secretary of defense, Robert McNamara, in order to fill two worrisome gaps in U.S. military deployment. The first was a crying need for fit and available General Staff reserves for immediate posting to the main arena (Europe) or the secondary arena (Korea), where most of the ground forces outside the United States were deployed.

The creation of STRICOM was welcomed enthusiastically by the air and ground branches, but opposed by the U.S. Navy and Marines. The latter two branches were unable to torpedo the establishment of STRICOM, because the chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff were all, consecutively, generals from the army. The commander of STRICOM also came from the ground arm: first General Paul Adams and then, four years later, Conway.

The second gap lay in the world map: in Africa and Asia. Between the arena of responsibility of the European Command, EUCOM, and that of the Pacific Command, PACOM, lay a vast area, from Egypt via the Arabian Peninsula to Iran, without command responsibility. Until the end of the 1950s, the Americans preferred to leave that region to the British as part of the Western bloc’s distribution of labor. However, as Britain continued to grow weaker, gradually losing its hold in the region and finally ignoring American policy altogether (in the Suez crisis of 1956), Washington became convinced that improvising in emergency situations was untenable.

It was decided that STRICOM, as an external contractor from Florida, would prepare the ground and the hearts for U.S. military intervention in the Middle East, southern Asia and sub-Saharan Africa. To that end, and at the request of the State Department, the command received another acronym, MEAFSA, referring to the sectors under its responsibility, for fear that newly independent governments in Asia and Africa would look askance at the explosive term “Strike.”

Spokesmen for Strike Command took pride in plans that placed 225,000 troops at its disposal in eight ground divisions and more than 50 combat, transport and refueling squadrons. The command’s major expertise was far more modest: preparing an airborne force - a battalion or at most a brigade - for offering rapid assistance to friendly governments, or rescuing civilians who were caught in battles between rebels and the army of a friendly regime. That proficiency was put to the test in operations in the Congo and the Dominican Republic.

Conway, who earlier had contrived to escape the labyrinth of the Pentagon in favor of field posts, discovered that in the remote Tampa of the mid-1960s he was “out of sight, out of mind,” as he noted years later when he dictated his memoirs: Far from both Washington, where the decisions are made, and far from the Middle East, where he was barred from setting up his headquarters.

He did pay occasional visits to the region, flying in his executive jet, “The Princess.” He developed particularly close relations with the emperor of Ethiopia, Haile Selassie. He also became friendly with Jordanian King Hussein and visited Cairo for talks with the chief of staff, Mahmoud Fawzi, a few months before the Six-Day War.

The American approach to the Arab states was then quite simplistic: good Arabs and bad Arabs - meaning, good Arabs and Nasser. The good Arabs resided in North Africa, in the formerly French (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia) and Italian (Libya) states. East of there were Gamal Abdel Nasser in Egypt, good Arabs (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon) who were afraid of Nasser, and relatively bad Arabs who were somewhat with Nasser and somewhat against him (Syria, Iraq). The underlying assumption of American policy was that when push came to shove, such as in an Egyptian-Israeli war or a clash between the West and the Soviet Bloc, the Arabs would split into two camps. Moderate North Africa, under the responsibility of EUCOM, would not intervene; Nasser would cause havoc and might need treatment by STRICOM.

This assumption, which fell apart in light of the reality that unfolded in the Six-Day War, was based in part on the open enmity between Egypt and Saudi Arabia. In the 1960s, the Egyptian army became bogged down in aiding the rebels in Yemen against the monarchy there, and against Saudi Arabia, which was assisting it. Following Egyptian bombings inside Saudi territory, Kennedy ordered Strike Command to send half a combat squadron to help the Saudis, with rules of engagement that included readiness to down planes.

John Kennedy’s assassination and the rise to power of Lyndon Johnson improved Israel’s status in Washington. For American Jewry, the political and personal channels to Johnson were more open, warm and influential. Johnson did not share Kennedy’s intransigent opposition to the reactor at Dimona. The secretaries of state and defense, Dean Rusk and Robert McNamara, stayed on under Johnson, but the new president appointed to three key positions officials who were more sympathetic to Israel than their predecessors: Walt Rostow as national security adviser, Richard Helms as CIA chief, and General Earle Wheeler as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Adherence to armistice

The planning of operations against the IDF remains in the defense apparatus as a persistent relic of a declared American policy that seeks to achieve a holy balance in the Israeli-Arab conflict. Its origins go back to the 1950s and the tripartite U.S.-British-French declaration against arms sales to either side. The Soviets exploited this policy to sell arms to the Arabs, and the French looked after their own interests when they supplied weapons to Israel, but the Americans preserved an outward appearance of egalitarianism.

Washington’s support for the existence, independence and territorial integrity of all the states of the region was translated into adherence to the armistice lines of 1949: not to allow Egypt, or any combination of Arab states, to destroy Israel, but also not to allow Israel to expand westward, into Sinai, or eastward, into the West Bank. The American pressure in this regard brought the IDF back from El Arish in Operation Horev in 1949 and from Sinai in 1956. A version of it would appear in Henry Kissinger’s directives after the IDF encircled Egypt’s Third Army at the end of the Yom Kippur War of 1973.

On May 20, 1967, according to L. Weinstein’s confidential study for the Institute for Defense Analyses, cable No. 5886 of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was sent to EUCOM and STRICOM. STRICOM was asked to refresh the emergency plans for intervention in an Israeli-Arab war - one plan on behalf of Israel and the other, on behalf of the Arabs.

Conway replied four days later. He was doubtful about combat intervention and preferred an operation to evacuate American civilians from Israel and from Arab states. He also emphasized the need for political coordination in order to secure rights to use foreign bases, particularly Incirlik in Turkey, but also in Libya and Spain, and overflight rights. On May 25, STRICOM and EUCOM were asked to send officers familiar with the commands’ plans to assist with planning at the Pentagon.

The next day, the Joint Chiefs asked Conway for his view on the question of American support for Israel. The government of Prime Minister Levi Eshkol implored the Johnson administration to take action to lift Nasser’s closure of the Straits of Tiran. Johnson did not want a U.S. operation, but he was also not keen on the two other alternatives: a unilateral Israeli operation, or an Egyptian operation, which would jeopardize Israel’s existence.

Conway was asked for his opinion about how the United States should act if the war were to be launched by an Arab action or, alternatively, by an Israeli strike. “The ultimate objective would be to stop aggression and insure the territorial integrity of all the Middle Eastern states,” he was informed in cable No. 6365 of the Joint Chiefs, with a copy to EUCOM.

Conway’s reply to this, dated May 28, is described in the top-secret study as “a strong plea for complete impartiality.” The United States was liable to lose its influence to the Soviets, the general warned, and therefore it must demonstrate “strict neutrality” and avoid open support for Israel. The true importance of the Middle East lay in the American-Soviet context of the Cold War, Conway argued, and the American stance must derive from those considerations, not from “local issues.” Only as a last resort should the United States take unilateral action - and then only to put an end to the fighting. In the estimation of the STRICOM commander, the Egyptian forces were deployed defensively, whereas the Israelis were deployed in rapid-strike offensive capability.

On May 29, Conway recommended that any U.S. intervention be launched early in order to ensure the territorial integrity of all the countries involved; restoring the status quo ante would become more complicated as the attacking army captured more territory. It might be difficult to determine which side had launched the hostilities, he noted, but the American response should be identical in both cases: a display of force, warnings to both sides, and if that should prove insufficient, “air and naval action to stabilize the situation, enforce grounding of aviation of both sides plus attacks on all moving armor or active artillery.” Following the cease-fire, U.S. ground forces would be moved in for peacekeeping missions. The return of territories would be achieved primarily by diplomatic means, with military force to be used only if “absolutely necessary.”

‘Reasonable bounds’

While Conway represented the feelings on the ground, General Wheeler was attentive to the president. In an internal directive, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs recalled that Israel had repeatedly requested joint planning, but had been told that there was no authorization for this. At the same time, Wheeler continued, this possibility could not be ruled out, and the Joint Chiefs should therefore prepare an operational concept for the use of American forces to assist Israel, if war should erupt and if the relevant political decision were taken.

Wheeler barred the distribution of the planning concept to subordinate levels. A preliminary paper was prepared by June 5, the day the war erupted, and became outdated even before it could be used. On June 6, when the success of the Israel Air Force was known, and as the divisions under Israel Tal, Ariel Sharon and Avraham Yoffe advanced into Sinai, the Joint Chiefs sent McNamara top-secret memorandum No. 315-67, recommending that the United States not intervene militarily, that it continue to work through the United Nations and bilateral diplomatic channels, including consultation with the Soviets, to stop the war, and that logistical support for all sides be suspended.

The American sigh of relief at the demise of the worst-case scenario - the danger that Israel would be destroyed - was replaced by the fear that the Arab defeat had been so crushing that the Soviets would intervene on their behalf, or at least would reap a diplomatic profit. Because the United States did not know what Israel was aiming at, despite declarations by Eshkol and by Defense Minister Moshe Dayan that Israel had no territorial ambitions, the administration “now felt that it was necessary to limit [the Israeli] success to reasonable bounds.”

In the years prior the war, Strike Command held a series of surprise exercises - “Bold Shot” and “Rapid Strike” - to examine the ability of the forces to organize without any prior warning, board a transport plane and prepare themselves for a parachute drop into battle. The last exercise in the series, held at the end of March, was based on the scenario of a crisis in an African country. Even against a small rebel force, a battalion of paratroopers needed four days from the start of the crisis, and two days from the time the order was received, to reach the target. In order to stop armored divisions in the desert, at the pace the IDF was keeping in June 1967, a force that embodied an internal contradiction would have been required: i.e., one that was both heavier, but also faster than what was available. Even if Johnson had made an unreasonable decision to use his army to block the IDF as it sped to Suez - contrary to his inclinations, the advice of his aides and what his confidants in the American Jewish community said - he would not have had the requisite military capability. The IDF was faster than the planners, decision makers and paratroopers of the United States.

True, we can conjecture that the appearance of an American force opposite the IDF would have had the effect of a tripwire that can block whatever is approaching, on the assumption that Israel would have been careful not to step on the little piece of metal cable that would have brought about even more massive American intervention - but this possibility is not hinted at in the American documents. The “Liberty” incident, which stemmed mainly from failures of coordination between the intelligence elements that ran the ship - the Joint Chiefs, EUCOM and the Sixth Fleet - illustrated how dangerous it was to deploy units without a uniform and clear chain of command in a combat zone.

In his memoirs, General Conway took a swing at his rival, Admiral McCain, over the “Liberty” issue. It was a tragedy of errors in more ways than one. Nasser had fabricated the idea of an intervention by the Sixth Fleet in Israel’s favor; this was, as mentioned, a type of operation that had been planned secretly for an emergency, but was never implemented. The Pentagon initially attributed the attack on the ship to Egypt, as a kind of reaction to the fictional intervention. If Israel had not forwarded a surprising admission of its responsibility for the attack, Sixth Fleet aircraft would have been sent to attack Egyptian targets. The made-up story of the intervention would have become fact, by mistake, and Israel would have been accused of fomenting it.

Two retired IDF major generals - Israel Tal and Shlomo Gazit, who was then head of research in Military Intelligence - said recently, upon hearing the secret plan of the U.S. military, that Israel had no knowledge of this. The IDF fought the Egyptians, the Jordanians and the Syrians without imagining that it might find itself confronting the Americans as well, in their desert camouflage fatigues. This is the detail that is missing in Conway’s memoirs: Did he study the events of the previous war, in 1956, and of all possible places in Sinai choose to parachute a battalion precisely in the Mitla Pass?


2 posted on 04/23/2007 7:24:49 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I must be dumb as a box of rocks this morning but why would we want to attack Israel?


3 posted on 04/23/2007 7:25:50 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
We have emergency plans for attacking and holding Iceland too, heck I bet Antarctica has its own emergency attack plans somewhere in the Pentagons basement.
4 posted on 04/23/2007 7:26:21 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

At any given moment, the U.S. has plans for attacking just about any spot on the planet.


5 posted on 04/23/2007 7:27:47 AM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So Mr. Star Reporter, go on . Explain that we had a whole series of “what if” contingency plans laid out for this chapter in their situation back then...like we always do...in all serious situations of this type.

No Pulitzer for you Mr. Mumser.


6 posted on 04/23/2007 7:28:53 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: SmithL
“At any given moment, the U.S. has plans for attacking just about any spot on the planet”

Yep, and I bet in some super secret compartment at the DOD, they have a plan to deal with the South if we should rise again.

The media are a bunch of dolts.

7 posted on 04/23/2007 7:31:22 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: netmilsmom

Do you remember who was president in 1967? Carter wasn’t the only Democrat foreign policy lunatic. Since 1952 when you get the Democrats in the White House you get national betrayal.At least he didn’t put that particular dog out.


8 posted on 04/23/2007 7:34:58 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: SmithL
About every year or so reporters stumble across some Emergency scenario that they scream about, its like clockwork. Wait until they get hold of the France annexation plans we probably still have naming it our 51 state, then you will hear some real screaming....
9 posted on 04/23/2007 7:36:17 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: arthurus

Comparing Johnson and Carter isnt fair to Johnson...


10 posted on 04/23/2007 7:38:52 AM PDT by ChiTownBearFan ("To see the world is to love America all the more"-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: arthurus

Comparing Johnson and Carter isnt fair to Johnson...


11 posted on 04/23/2007 7:39:02 AM PDT by ChiTownBearFan ("To see the world is to love America all the more"-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Yet one more reason to add to the list when people ask me why I joined the IDF and not the US military...

I love America...but there will be a time when it’s no longer worthwhile to be Israel’s friend...


12 posted on 04/23/2007 7:41:57 AM PDT by IDF_Fighter (IDF Homefront Command Search and Rescue - "Saving Lives Without Borders")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Oh Man!! I hope no one finds those secret plans in my garage for Oregon to re-annex Idaho!!


13 posted on 04/23/2007 7:41:56 AM PDT by docman57 (Retired but still on Duty)
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To: netmilsmom
For the same reason the Nixon administration offered Egypt our implicit support for their invasion of Sinai in 1973 -- with the intent of having Israel turn it back over to Egypt (which they did as part of the 1976 peace agreement between the two countries).

The U.S. had made it abundantly clear to Israel that the Sinai Peninsula had to be ceded back to Egypt after the 1967 war. To this day, the Sinai Peninsula is a protectorate of the U.S. for all intents and purposes.

14 posted on 04/23/2007 7:42:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: ChiTownBearFan

Agreed. Johnson sucked, but Carter REALLY REALLY REALLY sucked.


15 posted on 04/23/2007 7:44:12 AM PDT by Spruce
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To: Abathar

IIRC, the SR-71 photos taken during the 1967 War were used to determine what equipment the US needed to send to Israel to make up for their losses.


16 posted on 04/23/2007 7:45:15 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Spruce

Exactly


17 posted on 04/23/2007 7:46:36 AM PDT by ChiTownBearFan ("To see the world is to love America all the more"-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Because the Democrats were in control 40 years ago.


18 posted on 04/23/2007 7:46:48 AM PDT by Guyin4Os (My name says Guyin40s but now I have an exotic, daring, new nickname..... Guyin50s)
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To: netmilsmom
I must be dumb as a box of rocks this morning but why would we want to attack Israel?

I was a low-ranking grunt in Germany at the time, but what I recall is being put on readiness alert, should Russia get any ideas of interceding (or using the 1967 war of making their own military assertions). Of course, that didn't happen, and the whole issue went away for us.

Anyway, this article reads more like we had plans to evacuate Americans rather than intercede militarily. It's as if the author makes a statement, then fails to back it up. Typical MSM BS.

19 posted on 04/23/2007 7:46:58 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: All

Thanks everyone!


20 posted on 04/23/2007 8:05:33 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

>True, the American spy ship “Liberty” was attacked by mistake,<

Bull. Anyone who has studied the incident can tell you that Israel’s cover story was so contrived as to be laughable. Thiis new information may explain WHY Israel wanted the Liberty out of service.


21 posted on 04/23/2007 8:37:28 AM PDT by NoBullZone
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To: NoBullZone

“...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty.”
— CIA Director Richard Helms

“I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that the Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship.”
— NSA Deputy Director Oliver Kirby


22 posted on 04/23/2007 8:40:15 AM PDT by NoBullZone
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’m sure we have plans drawn up for every country on Earth.
I’d like to see the one for France.


23 posted on 04/23/2007 8:55:43 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
This is news? I suspect that somewhere, the military has plans for invading London.

I'd be more surprised if they *didn't* plan on invading Isreal.

24 posted on 04/23/2007 8:57:11 AM PDT by wbill
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To: netmilsmom

Remember who was president in 1967


25 posted on 04/23/2007 9:00:08 AM PDT by Kaslin (Fred Thompson for President 2008)
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To: netmilsmom

It was that stupid asswipe Lyndon B. Johnson.


26 posted on 04/23/2007 9:13:29 AM PDT by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name! Islam, the end time Beast-the harlot of Babylon.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The US has existing plans for an attack on EVERY nation on the planet.

Just in case ya need it quickly.

Most of us refer to it as ‘pre planning’.


27 posted on 04/23/2007 9:14:38 AM PDT by Badeye (Like it or not, we live in a time when Hero's are required.)
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To: ChiTownBearFan

Those turds were the leaders of the party of the Jewish voters, if you can believe that. My Granddad and myself were the only Republican Hebrews in my family.


28 posted on 04/23/2007 9:16:59 AM PDT by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name! Islam, the end time Beast-the harlot of Babylon.)
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To: NoBullZone

why would Israel want the Liberty out of action?

suspicion that we might be feeding intel to the Jordanians?
suspicion that we might learn of alleged war crimes committed by the paratroops at El Arish?
suspicion that we might be feeding intel to the Soviets?


29 posted on 04/23/2007 9:38:08 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: IDF_Fighter
That’s pretty cool that your in the IDF, be safe.

I am not so sure about your second statement though. I guess anything is possible, but I would imagine that as long as Israel’s is under the threat of tyrants the US will be there to help. We will have our differences and mostly likely we will try to push Israel in certain directions but I believe we will be strong allies for a long, long time.

30 posted on 04/23/2007 9:45:15 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: rahbert

>why would Israel want the Liberty out of action?<

Suspicious that we might intervene to keep them from taking the Sinai peninsula.


31 posted on 04/23/2007 9:53:11 AM PDT by NoBullZone
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To: NoBullZone

>Washington’s support for the existence, independence and territorial integrity of all the states of the region was translated into adherence to the armistice lines of 1949: not to allow Egypt, or any combination of Arab states, to destroy Israel, but also not to allow Israel to expand westward, into Sinai, or eastward, into the West Bank.<


32 posted on 04/23/2007 9:55:39 AM PDT by NoBullZone
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To: netmilsmom

Substitute the word “containing Israel” for “attacking Israel”

I imagine this plan, had it been necessary, might have been preferable to both Israel and the USG rather than having Russia step in to stop the Israelis.


33 posted on 04/23/2007 9:55:55 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: netmilsmom
I must be dumb as a box of rocks this morning but why would we want to attack Israel?

It's a war department's job to have plans to attack anything and everything they may be tasked to hit under any circumstances.

They probably have a hostile first contact reponse.

If sea people just showed up and invaded US beaches, they probably have a response planned.

34 posted on 04/23/2007 9:56:28 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Lord of Hosts has current and eternal plans for intervening on behalf of Israel.


35 posted on 04/23/2007 10:52:11 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: netmilsmom

More stupid propaganda, of course.


36 posted on 04/23/2007 11:42:58 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://realitycheck.blogsome.com - and yes, yes, I'm a "FredHead". Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: NoBullZone

Stop sucking on that sour grape. A few years ago taped conversations of Israeli pilots were released that showed the Israelis did not know they were attacking an American ship.


37 posted on 04/23/2007 3:31:07 PM PDT by honestfreedom69
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To: Lx
I’m sure we have plans drawn up for every country on Earth. I’d like to see the one for France.

It entails a six-pack and 2 rednecks with shotguns.

Seriously, that's all you'd need!

38 posted on 04/23/2007 4:57:04 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: honestfreedom69

Yeah, right! The IDF is so incompetent they could not tell after flying SEVERAL sorties over the vessel that it was not Egyptian. Its just a coincidence the Israelis stopped attacking when they heard help was on the way. The Israelis just “accidently” jammed the 5 frequencies the Liberty was using. The head of the CIA and NSA are liars. No Israeli suffered any discipline for this “mistake”. Everyone in the US intelligence community is lying. Its not against the Geneva Conventions to machine gun inflatable life rafts with no weapons.

Israel committed an act of war on the USA that day. Some of us have not forgotten that. Give me an f’in break!!


39 posted on 04/23/2007 8:34:58 PM PDT by NoBullZone
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To: NoBullZone
Israel committed an act of war on the USA that day. Some of us have not forgotten that. Give me an f’in break!!

Israel is the US 51st state!
Nothing more, nothing less.

Brothers in Arms sharing the same democratic values, the same enemies.
On the same page, same paragraph ... the same word.

Re: the Liberty - Israel committed a tragic mistake.

This is documented in recently released NSA tapes.
http://www.nsa.gov/liberty
The NSA released audiotapes of Israeli pilots and ground control speaking in Hebrew, along with English transcripts in 2003.

The recordings were made by a nearby American surveillance aircraft in the immediate aftermath of the attack.

"For your info, it is apparently an Arab ship," says ground control.
"Roger," says the pilot.
"It is an Egyptian supply ship," says ground control.
"Roger," comes the response.

The NSA released the tapes and transcripts under the Freedom of Information Act in response to a request from Miami Judge Jay Cristol.

Now let's say that the White House and the NSA are wrong.
Let's say that the attack was intentional. What essential life and death reasons would Israel have?

1. This was an INTEL operation by the US which stated openly that "no US warships were in the area."
2. If INTEL was being collected by the US, could the Egyptians and other hostile forces collect this info and then pass it onto their ground and air commands?
3. If this info was passed onto hostile Arab ground and air commands, Israel could have been turned into dust. The US could have been jeopardizing the very survival of Israel!
4. You state: "Israel committed an act of war on the USA that day." If anyone had committed an act of war - it was not Israel. Upon learning that a US ship was hit, the Israeli pilots cried. Yes - they cried!

Israel swallows a lot of shi- from their big brother - the US. Pollard is one such example. The man made a mistake - he did his time well beyound any Soviet or enemy spy.
So how should Israel react today?
Should Israel start arresting every CIA / NSA / US Mil INTEL agent in Israel, place them behind bars and make a trade?

TO: NoBullZone - why are you trying to divide Israel and the US. Using the same recycled propaganda that Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al-qaeda use in an unsuccessful attempt to play divide and conquer.
I question why you would come out with such a harsh, dividing remark that concerns me as the IDF and the US armed forces are confronting the same enemy today, holding joint exercises - protecting your very home!

40 posted on 04/27/2007 8:37:24 AM PDT by IsraelBeach
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