Posted on 04/19/2007 3:13:26 AM PDT by aculeus
Spectator, 20 April 2007. It’s a fair bet that you have never heard of a guy called Dave Gaubatz. It’s also a fair bet that you think the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq has found absolutely nothing, nada, zilch; and that therefore there never were any WMD programmes in Saddam’s Iraq to justify the war ostensibly waged to protect the world from Saddam’s use of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.
Dave Gaubatz, however, says you could not be more wrong. Saddam’s WMD did exist. He should know because he found the sites where he is certain they were stored. And the reason you don’t know about this is that the American administration failed to act on his information, ‘lost’ his classified reports and is now doing everything it can to prevent disclosure of the terrible fact that, through its own incompetence, it allowed Saddam’s WMD to end up in the hands of the very terrorist states against whom it is so controversially at war.
You may be tempted to dismiss this as yet another dodgy claim from a warmongering lackey of the world Zionist neocon conspiracy giving credence to yet another crank pushing US propaganda. If so, perhaps you might pause before throwing this article at the cat. Mr Gaubatz is not some marginal figure. He’s pretty well as near to the horse’s mouth as you can get.
Having served for 12 years as an agent in the US Air Force’s Office of Special Investigations Mr Gaubatz, a trained Arabic-speaker, was hand-picked for postings in 2003, first in Saudi Arabia and then in Nasariyah in Iraq. His mission was to locate suspect WMD sites, discover threats against US forces in the area and find Saddam loyalists, and then send such intelligence to the Iraq Survey Group and other agencies.
Between March and July 2003, he says, he was taken to four sites in southern Iraq— two within Nasariyah, one 20 miles south and one near Basra — which, he was told by numerous Iraqi sources, contained biological and chemical weapons, material for a nuclear programme and UN-proscribed missiles. He was, he says, in no doubt whatever that this was true.
This was in the first place because of the massive size of these sites and the extreme lengths to which the Iraqis had gone to conceal them. Three of them were bunkers buried 20-30 feet beneath the Euphrates. They had been constructed through building dams which were removed after the huge subterranean vaults had been excavated so that these were concealed beneath the river bed. The bunker walls were made of reinforced concrete five feet thick.
‘There was no doubt, with so much effort having gone into hiding these constructions, that something very important was buried there’, says Mr Gaubatz. By speaking to a wide range of Iraqis, some of whom risked their lives by talking to him and whose accounts were provided in ignorance of each other, he built up a picture of the nuclear, chemical and biological materials they said were buried underground.
‘They explained in detail why WMDs were in these areas and asked the US to remove them’, says Mr Gaubatz. ‘Much of this material had been buried in the concrete bunkers and in the sewage pipe system. There were also missile imprints in the area and signs of chemical activity —gas masks, decontamination kits, atropine needles. The Iraqis and my team had no doubt at all that WMDs were hidden there’.
There was yet another significant piece of circumstantial corroboration. The medical records of Mr Gaubatz and his team showed that at these sites they had been exposed to high levels of radiation.
Mr Gaubatz verbally told the ISG of his findings, and asked them to come with heavy equipment to breach the concrete of the bunkers and uncover their sealed contents. But to his consternation, the ISG told him they didn’t have the manpower or equipment to do it and that it would be ‘unsafe’ to try.
‘The problem was that the ISG were concentrating their efforts in looking for WMD in northern Iraq and this was in the south’, says Mr Gaubatz. ‘They were just swept up by reports of WMD in so many different locations. But we told them if they didn’t excavate these sites, others would’.
That, he says, is precisely what happened. He subsequently learned from Iraqi, CIA and British intelligence that the WMD buried in the four sites were excavated by Iraqis and Syrians, with help from the Russians, and moved to Syria. The location in Syria of this material, he says, is also known to these intelligence agencies. The worst-case scenario has now come about. Saddam’s nuclear, biological and chemical material is in the hands of a rogue terrorist state — and one with close links to Iran.
When Mr Gaubatz returned to the US, he tried to bring all this to light. Two congressmen, Peter Hoekstra, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, and Curt Weldon, were keen to follow up his account. To his horror, however, when they tried to access his classified intelligence reports they were told that all 60 of them —which, in the routine way, he had sent in 2003 to the computer clearing-house at a US air base in Saudi Arabia —had mysteriously gone missing. These written reports had never even been seen by the ISG.
One theory is that they were inadvertently destroyed when the computer’s data base was accidentally erased in the subsequent US evacuation of the air base. Mr Gaubatz, however, suspects dirty work at the crossroads. It is unlikely, he says, that no copies were made of his intelligence. And he says that all attempts by Messrs Hoekstra and Weldon to extract information from the Defence Department and CIA have been relentlessly stonewalled.
In 2005, the CIA held a belated inquiry into the disappearance of this intelligence. Only then did its agents visit the sites — to report that they had indeed been looted.
Mr Gaubatz’s claims remain largely unpublicised. Last year, the New York Times dismissed him as one of a group of WMD diehard obsessives. The New York Sun produced a more balanced report, but after that the coverage died. According to Mr Gaubatz, the reason is a concerted effort by the US intelligence and political world to stifle such an explosive revelation of their own lethal incompetence.
After he and an Iraqi colleague spoke at last month’s Florida meeting of the Intelligence Summit, an annual conference of the intelligence world, they were interviewed for two hours by a US TV show — only for the interview to be junked after the FBI repeatedly rang Mr Gaubatz and his colleague to say they would stop the interview from being broadcast.
The problem the US authorities have is that they can’t dismiss Mr Gaubatz as a rogue agent — because they have repeatedly decorated him for his work in the field. In 2003, he received awards for his ‘courage and resolve in saving lives and being critical for information flow’. In 2001, he was decorated for being the ‘lead agent in a classified investigation, arguably the most sensitive counter-intelligence investigation currently in the entire Department of Defence’ and because his ‘reports were such high quality, many were published in the Air Force’s daily threat product for senior USAF leaders or re-transmitted at the national level to all security agencies in US government’.
The organiser of the Intelligence Summit, John Loftus — himself a formidably well-informed former attorney to the intelligence world —has now sent a memorandum to Congress asking it to investigate Mr Gaubatz’s claims. He has also hit a brick wall. The reason is not hard to grasp.
The Republicans won’t touch this because it would reveal the incompetence of the Bush administration in failing to neutralise the danger of Iraqi WMD . The Democrats won’t touch it because it would show President Bush was right to invade Iraq in the first place. It is an axis of embarrassment.
Mr Loftus goes further. Saddam’s nuclear research, scientists and equipment, he says, have all been relocated to Syria, where US satellite intelligence confirms that uranium centrifuges are now operating — in a country which is not supposed to have any nuclear programme. There is now a nuclear axis, he says, between Iran, Syria and North Korea — with Russia and China helping build an Islamic bomb against the west. And of course, with assistance from American negligence.
‘Apparently Saddam had the last laugh and donated his secret stockpile to benefit Iran’s nuclear weapons programme. With a little technical advice from Beijing, Syria is now enriching the uranium, Iran is making the missiles, North Korea is testing the warheads, and the White House is hiding its head in the sand.’
Of course we don’t know whether any of this is true. But given Dave Gaubatz’s testimony, shouldn’t someone be trying to find out? Or will we still be intoning ’there were no WMD in Iraq’ when the Islamic bomb goes off?
http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/
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Frontpage Interview’s guest is Paul (Dave) Gaubatz:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21924
The FBI was too busy bringing Hillary to justice for the 900+ FBI files. Snicker
you can find even more here
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/the_secret_battle_over_wmd.html
Has a full interview with Dave and was discussed in detail on ATS, the only problem is no one would or will believe him when it comes to government officials. I am not sure but much of what was on ATS has now been trashed so there might just be a possibility someone found out information he did not reveal so the threads were trashed because the info was suspect.
What I find funny though is it took the blogger so long to find this out when it has been known for over a year.
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Come back for what?
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I thought there weren’t any WMD? Even when there is proof the mad hatter liberals insist on painting our military and President as incompetents.
And the President and military let them.
There may have been these Bunker's, but the reason given Repubs wouldn't reveal this information is total B.S.! It's already been shown the Bush adm is incompetent by not being able to defend itself against total idiots in the DBM/dems arena, what's another issue going to show that hasn't already been revealed?
Show us the bunkers because without that this is just another flighty article that will be completely ignored by everyone.
I seem to recall this being posted a couple years ago.
Honestly, if there is such proof of WMD, this Administration would gain more by revealing the fact than by hiding it. America deserves to hear about the proof of WMD.
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Ping
I thought they were behind the couch cushions.
“Saddam’s nuclear research, scientists and equipment, he says, have all been relocated to Syria, where US satellite intelligence confirms that uranium centrifuges are now operating — in a country which is not supposed to have any nuclear programme.”
Why is this the first We’ve heard of this? Does Polosi know?
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I tend to agree. The only additional concern would be if these bunkers were filled with materials supplied by Germany, France or Russia.
“And the President and military let them.”
Yep, unlike the socialist nervana there is free speech in this country.
Wikipedia has a nice writeup on him too.
I think they were in Sandy Berger’s sox.
And what benefit would the USA be gaining by protecting Germany, France, and Russia from the revelation that they supplied Saddam with banned weapons?
This is a very interesting question.
Could it be that President Bush has made a very strategic decision to withhold information that would be incredibly damaging to the Russians and others?
It seems that no matter HOW bad it gets in Iraq, a major WMD revelation isn’t in the cards...
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Interesting read.
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But at the time of the 2nd Gulf War (2003), most of the WMDs and materials for their production have been already removed from Iraq to Syria and Lebanon (and earlier to Sudan, Libya and Algeria), either by the Iraqis themselves (with the help of Syria) or by the Russians.
Snip from this excellent source.
Whatever the case; it will be ignored. . .there have been articles. . .stories of WMD's or their prep etc; et al. . .NONE have made a swats difference in the Dem/Left story line; or the Repubs 'line' either, for that matter - or rather, their lack of one.
Bush moved too soon. . .should have waited for Saddam to actually show his stuff. . .a parade or a detonation; a just a 'release' of noxius poisons for 'testing purposes'. . .but like the demands re N.Korea; Iran. . .he thought it better to do it 'before' all that; but you just cannot satisfy some people.
Just 'damned if you. . .and damned if you don't. . .' if you are a Republican President, named George Bush.
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Karl Rove’s White House emails can never be erased because they are always buried in the hard drive and retrieveable, but intelligence reports can vanish or be erased completely.
They had been constructed through building dams which were removed after the huge subterranean vaults had been excavated so that these were concealed beneath the river bed. The bunker walls were made of reinforced concrete five feet thick.
There is no way construction like this would escape the notice of our satellites, and even sparse ground assets could notice a major river damned up for what would have to be days at a time for such construction.
Is there any evidence of this in the record? If not, it likely did not happen -- no way it was done in secret.
This isn't how they usually do under-river construction. Most of the time they drill from the sides for tunnels. And the one case I know of where the tunnel was done from above, the sections of tunnel were built and sealed and dropped THROUGH the water into channels dug while the water was in place, not by damming the water.
I have said many times if you want to hide something you hide it in an area where your enemy has no access to.
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Now, we're supposed to believe a report from melainephillips.com instead? I'd have to be desperate for vindication to accept the claims without more substantiation than that. Have we lost all capacity for critical thought? For introspection?
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I’d bet the administration never hear of his reports. The CIA and FBI are busing preparing for the second comming of Xlinton.
I have a slightly used bridge for sale.
“The location in Syria of this material, he says, is also known to these intelligence agencies.”
Oh?
I attended a small lecture in 2004 given by the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological Weapons. He said that he had toured a facility in Iraq that was identical to the Pantex facility (the US nuclear weapons fabrication facility outside Amarillo, TX). The only thing they couldn’t find was the uranium/plutonium.
One more thing: They also interviewed Iraqis whose job it was to take the white-collar workers in that facility out into the desert and shoot them.
the source
http://www.davegaubatz.com/
Sounds like a job for . . .WHORALDO!
[. . .But when it comes to Iraq, the western media behave collectively out of character. There is no openness to any facts that challenge the ‘line’. There is a mindset, so powerful as to amount to a kind of collective brainwashing, that it is been ‘proved’ that there were no WMD in Saddam’s Iraq. Any claim to the contrary, however authoritative or persuasive, is therefore brushed aside.
Even the brief public appearance on an official US website of the Saddam tape transcripts referred to in the memorandum above — in one of which Saddam could be heard talking in 2002-2003 about his ongoing nuclear programme — was referred to only in passing by the New York Times in a report whose incoherence managed to bury this explosive revelation altogether.
The docile US media, dependent as it is on government sources and handouts, is all too easily intimidated or bought off by pressure from a myriad different sources which all have their own conflicting reasons to suppress such politically damaging revelations.
Too many important reputations in the media now rest on the ruthless suppression of the faintest possibility that they might have been wrong.]
Meantime, made me ill seeing O'Reilly talk with 'Whoopi' last week, offering a 'line' all too familiar to him. . .that ok. . ."you were right". . .about WMD's and GB's 'mistake' but now. . .blah/blah. . .
Think Hannity the 'same'. . .and Rush offers he does not care 'who' was right. . .but only how we move forward. And, could be he is well aware of the 'catch 22' that exists for both sides here; or maybe not; but I think it important for 'truth' to be the starting point. . .particularly because of the idiology attached to the synthetic version; and more importantly; many in America need to be reawakened to these 'outcome based strategies'. . .
Think 'out here'. . .we had better start e-mailing with info and expectations. . .
Ask yourself, who benefits if there is no record of WMDs in Iraq? Then you’ll be close to the answer as to how any trace of them disappears.
“Sounds like a job for . . .WHORALDO!”
He can do a special on the opening of Saddam Hussein’s secret bunkers. :)
There is a shadow government working within this administration to thwart exposure.
Joe Wilson lied. Joe Wilson was selected by his wife. Joe Wilson has publicly railed against policy ever since.
Bela Pelosi has gone to the Middle East to negotiate without the approval of the State Department.
The inmates are running the asylum.
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