Posted on 04/17/2007 2:07:27 PM PDT by Bosco
Virginia Tech police on Tuesday morning identified Cho, 23, as the man whose body had been found in Norris Hall, site of the worst shooting spree in American history, lying next to two semi-automatic pistols.
He apparently had scrawled the words "ISMAIL AX" on the inside of one arm, according to the Chicago Tribune, which may be a reference to the Islamic account of the Biblical sacrifice of Abraham.
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Let's see what some real journalists can do with this minor detail. Did the shooter become a Muslim before his spree?
I think the new media should get some credit for keeping this angle alive.
They are just now getting this? Freepers here posted it hours ago.
Check some of the other threads about the s—this is all over them.
I saw it as similar to Ishmael who was the biblical son of Abraham whose’ descendants founded islam.
Thread? Thanks.
It is estimated that growing up in the NoVA/DC burbs and attending a place such as Va Tech would expose someone, especially an English Major, to rabid anti Western thought as well as apologists for Islamism.
Oi...
Here we go again...
Yes, he was friggin Al Qaeda.
I'm just waiting for someone to prove it was done for Nutjob.
Did dry cleaning solvents affect his brain?
You are JUST seeing that now? You about 8 hours late with this bit of news
Now the DC suburbs I can see—But Tech? What does “a place like Tech” mean?
Thank you for your forbearance.
i never saw it either... just don’t have time to weed through all the (mis)information.
“Burkha Vs Bikini
The Debauchery Of American Womanhood”
You’re very welcome ;)
I doubt he was Al Qeada and I also doubt he was a true believer. I think he was more of a wannabe jihadi.
HOWEVER, that doesn’t make him any less a terrorist working in the name of allah. Too many of the sudden jihad syndrome cases slip under the terrorism radar based on the fact that they aren’t part of any known terror group.
Islamic account of the Biblical sacrifice of Abraham
or the Jewish or the Christian version, are there different versions? I thought Abraham was the common thread for all three?
The ten-page play he wrote was posted on another thread.
The play makes no mention of Islam, and deals with subjects a Muslim would be very unlikely to write about.
Also, none of the people who knew him have mentioned it yet. It’s just about impossible to be a secret practicing Muslim.
I highly doubt he was a convert.
Very good points.
Irish message board?? URL?
I think the debauchery he mentions is the fact that this girl he liked was dropped off at her dorm by a guy at 7am. He was probably sexually frustrated on top of being paranoid and depressed and the fact that other students were getting some made him pretty self rightiously indignant.
I have to admit I don't like the word "convocation", it's an antiseptic word to use when you are trying to describe an event where a whole lot of praying is going on.
Seems to me like there may be something more to this story regarding the killer and the cutters off of heads. Maybe not, but right now I wonder.
The guy came to the U.S. when he was 4 years old. If he was converted to islam it probably happened here.
Abraham is common to all three, but the muzzies substitute Ishamel (Ismail) in place of Isaac as the son Abraham was gonna sacrifice, because Ishmael is the father of the muzzies, and Isaac is one of the Hebrew patriarchs.
OK, how about, “any unversity campus, other than known, conservative Christian run ones.” Is that better?
Personal Disorders, Agresivve behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance-related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders
From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website:
President-elect:
Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders.
Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.:
As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . .
This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK:
Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise.
Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc.
The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder.
So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said
ISMAIL AK
and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said
ISMAIL AX
That seems more likely to me than a connection to Moby Dick or to Islamic terrorism.
This is an angle the investigators need to pursue with the school's counseling service, the killer's computer, and Dr. Ismail Ak himself.
Geesh!!! ...no warning signs here???
Doing a parody of McBeth, which condemns the Roman Catholic church, divorce and McDonalds (a symbol for the West) - seems like, if not specifically Muslim, certainly anti Western or anti US, with a millennarian, puritanical bent.
The guy while massacred the Ravers in Seattle was upset at the immorality of the ravers.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/273005_letter07.html
“I hate this world of sex that they are striving to make,” the note says of ravers, a loose-knit community of teens and 20-somethings known for holding huge dances that last into the wee hours. It’s a world in which everyone is accepted unconditionally.
“The things they say ‘and do’ are just too disturbing to me to just ignore and live my life with,” Huff purportedly wrote to his twin brother, Kane. “Kids like me and you are seriously dying over this s-—.” Further down, between the handwritten lines, he added, “They’re raping us.”
This found letter got almost no media coverage and no notice on FR, as far as I can see.
And he wasn’t a Muslim.
Cho seems to be a much better writer with a better vocabulary but the sentiments seem similar.
Actually, let me self correct. His step dad killed his real dad. So, his real dad (that which is not “McDonalds”) was killed by the “McDonalds” step dad.
1) The “Ismail Ax” thing seems to based on ONE source, The Tribune - and the other Chicago paper was the sole source of what turned out to be completely wrong info, that the shooter was a recent Chinese immigrant.
2) I wonder if it was something crudely written that was misunderstood, or even written in Korean letters.
Lou Chang
Her brother he's burning with rage
Lou Chang
Her brother he's burning with rage
I'd like to know what's on his mind
He says hey buddy you're not my kind
Where the nights are bright
And joy is complete
Keep my squeeze on Green Flower Street
© 1982 Freejunket Music ASCAP. All rights adm. by Chappell & Co. Inc. (Intersong Music, Publishers).
Source
Bump
I wouldn't say Cho had any talent as a writer, and his vocabulary and mentality seems to have been about that of a junior high student who spent his time listening to the trashiest of pop entertainment. You should check out his second "play" at: http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/ The mystery is why he was kept on as a student at Va Tech.
Same problems as the rest of the jihadis.
Sounds as though he is the expert on Sudden Jihad Syndrome.
Agreement bump
Here is another clue that Cho was MUSLIM.
From the violent “play” written by Cho, “Richard McBeef”:
Others have focused on the brandishing of a chainsaw during a fight and the killing of the child character at the end.
But I found something more subtle on page 6
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech6.html
“(She peeks at John. She approaches Richard and slaps Richard in the head multiple times. TAKING OFF HER SHOES, SHE HITS HIM HARD.)” [emphasis mine]
Striking with the shoe is a Muslim sign of disdain represented by the dirt on the bottom of the shoes. Scenes filmed in Iraq have frequently shown people striking such things as toppled statues of Saddam and killed captives with the soles of shoes.
It's also a hard and fast rule when entering a Korean household.
(taking off the shoes, that is).
The other is that Mohammad stole the basic characters and themes from the Torah shamelessly while altering the narrative to put him and his followers above the 'chosen people'.
I would note that the excerpt only says she takes off her shoes and hits Richard - NOT that she hit him WITH the shoe.
I can take off my shoes and hit whoever comes near me, and I don’t have to use shoes to do it.
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