Cheers mate.
Posted on 04/17/2007 1:10:00 PM PDT by em2vn
He left his father after he lost hope to convert him to the right path, and directed his efforts towards the people of the town, but they rejected his call and threatened him. By Allah, he said, I shall plot a plan to destroy their idols. He knew that a big celebration was coming soon, where everybody would leave town for a big feast on the riverbank. After making sure that nobody was left in town, Ibrahim went towards the temple armed with an ax. Statues of all shapes and sizes were sitting there adorned with decorations. Plates of food were offered to them, but the food was untouched. "Well, why don't you eat? The food is getting cold." He said to the statues, joking; then with his ax he destroyed all the statues except one, the biggest of them. He hung the ax around its neck and left.
(Excerpt) Read more at islamicity.com ...
Nothing to see here. Move along please.
Excellent find IMO
It will be interesting to see whether this ass-clown was a convert to Islam or whether he was nothing more than a murderous psychopath.
If there’s any connection to Islam, watch the MSM smooth it over or ignore it.
Just like they did regarding the multiple shootings at a Salt Lake City mall a few months ago...
Exactly.
I don’t see any other reasonable explanation for the reference. I’d be curious to see what, exactly, is in that suicide note as a whole.
While I’m not ruling out the ROP, I’d like to see the note first. I’m also interested in some other alleged “Islamic” writings that the kid supposedly wrote on his body.
You said — “Nothing to see here. Move along please.”
Well, there’s especially nothing to see on a nutball conspiracy thread. This is about as nutball an idea as the nutball that tried to burn up his room twice, call in the bomb threats last week (that the authorities think he did), that made his girlfriend dump him — and that made him think that he would “show the world” by shooting up a number of classrooms.
Yep, if this nutball was still alive, he would be making speculative comments, like this, on this thread, too....
Regards,
Star Traveler
in James Fennimore Cooper’s story “The Prairie,” the settler Ishmael Bush, who is attempting to escape from civilization, sets out across the prairie with two key tools, a gun and an axe. Each has a symbolic meaning. The axe — which can either kill or provide shelter — stands for both creation and destruction. Given that the VT killer was an English major, might this be the likely meaning of the words on his arm? Just my two cents.
Seems connected. Wonder what was on his puter??
Pray for W and Va Tech
Even if he had "converted" to Islam, his motivation to do so would have been as shallow as his grave, and his commitment near zero.
This guy was just looking for any excuse to hate and kill. The nature of the excuse did not matter.
You said — “I don’t see any other reasonable explanation for the reference.”
Well, that must mean (using the same thinking involved), that I must be one of those space aliens, since I’m called “Star Traveler”. And you know what..., that must prove that aliens have landed and have infiltrated our society, too. I think we should start a thread on that idea...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Sudden Jihad Syndrome? Let the evidence speak for itself, that is if the authorities and media are willing to let it do so.
You said — “Even if he had “converted” to Islam, his motivation to do so would have been as shallow as his grave, and his commitment near zero.
This guy was just looking for any excuse to hate and kill. The nature of the excuse did not matter.”
That is *exactly* right! I posted that very same type of idea on another thread. He would only be looking for an excuse and any excuse would do. It wouldn’t matter. And there is no commitment to whatever the philosophy or idea is. It is as shallow as his grave.
Very well put...
Regards,
Star Traveler
I think I'm on to something here...
Ok, someone help my out here: Ibrahim = Ismial? [sic]
Excellent idea. (I’m an english/econ major) This makes the most sense to me. I’m also interested in the idea that he wrote it on his arm. He may have been calling his arm Ismail’s ax. That he would use the arm for killing or construction. I am surprised about the spelling though—why that particular spelling of Ismail?
Another explanation. From a Hot Air poster:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/17/breaking-abc-news-ids-gunman-as-seung-hui-cho/
Update: A shot in the dark here from reader Ray F., but worth posting since Cho was, after all, an English major and this would be a golden we-told-you-so moment if it pans out:
“You probably already know this, but in James Fennimore Cooper’s story “The Prairie,” the settler Ishmael Bush, who is attempting to escape from civilization, sets out across the prairie with two key tools, a gun and an axe. Each has a symbolic meaning. The axe — which can either kill or provide shelter — stands for both creation and destruction. Given that the VT killer was an English major, might this be the likely meaning of the words on his arm? Just my two cents.”
Whatever you say Star Man. Like I said. Nothing to see here. It was probably just a diversion or the cops planted it. sarcasm off>
Was he an English major or an English literature major?
BLAM!
SLAM!
ISLAM!
It’s obvious that the gunshots were signals that he was a muslim.
The Ass-clown picked Holocaust Remembrance day to kill these people. First victim surname Hilscher, Jewish surname, third victim Israeli Professor, seems the rest were just targets of opportunity in a target rich environment.
I haven’t been able to read everything, but I’ve read a considerable amount of the news put forth thus far regarding the slaughter at Virginia Tech, and in not one of the news items that I have read is there any indication that the killer was of the Islamic faith.
As many, I at first thought that would ultimately be found as truth, but so far not.
Have I missed something?
You said — “Let the evidence speak for itself, that is if the authorities and media are willing to let it do so.”
In this particular case, there’s gonna be nothing to speak to, in regards to Islam. I mean, I live within a few miles of a mosque. That must mean there’s “something to speak to” in regards to my connection to that mosque. Or, perhaps I spoke to a Muslim yesterday. That must mean that I’m planning something here in my town.
There are always going to be those kinds of so-called “connections” — knowing someone who is a Muslim, living next to a mosque, having some friends who are Musllim (especially if you live close to a mosque), and so on.
Nope..., this guy was a total nutball case and I don’t think even the Muslims want him...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “It’s obvious that the gunshots were signals that he was a muslim.”
That’s as funny as this thread! good one...
Regards,
Star Traveler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim
I general dislike wikipedia but I couldn’t get to my Koran. /s
You said — “Whatever you say Star Man.”
Hey! You weren’t supposed to give my real name. Now they’re gonna connect you with the space aliens.
Regards,
Star Traveler
We know he took creative writing. At most universities, at least 20 years ago, a degree in English meant English/American literature. Prereqs included composition, etc. I don’t think there is a way to major in “English” without it being literature based. Even majoring in Spanish quickly leads to all literature courses.
Thanks, I couldn’t make the connection.
You said — Traditionally, Muslims believe that it was Ishmael rather than Isaac whom Ibrahim was told to sacrifice.”
That’s not news to those who know about Islam and the Bible. That’s one of the critical differences and is studied in theological circles, too.
BUT — it has absolutely nothing to do with a nutball, who tries to burn up his dorm room twice, calls in bomb threats to his university, and his girlfriend dumps him (because he’s a real whacko) and he decides to go “Postal” on a bunch of students in classes...
He’s a real nutball. The Islamic terrorists are another threat — sufficient unto themselves... They don’t need our nutballs that we readily produce in this society.
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said “think”. Islamists don’t “think” in any manner familiar to us. I believe this was an Islamist attack.
You said — “Thanks, I couldn’t make the connection.”
Well, one basic reason that a lot of people aren’t going to be able to “make the connection” — is simply because one doesn’t exist — at least to the extent that made him shoot up a bunch of students.
He’s a nutball who tried to burn up his room twice, called in bomb threats, his girlfriend dumped him (because, most likely, she didn’t think it was “cool” to be associated with nutballs) — and so he thought he would “show everyone” and went “postal” on a bunch of other students.
Yeah, a real nutball case here...
Regards,
Star Traveler
No. I was focusing on the tattoos that he is reported to have had on his arms.
Given the complaints in the note he left, he could be ROP. There are a few Koreans who buy into this..
You said — “I believe this was an Islamist attack.”
You don’t do very much for the credibility of the real Islamic terrorists, when you go digging around inside of nutball’s heads. The real terrorists are not like this kook of a guy who went postal, because his girlfriend dumped him.
The real terrorists are doing the things that we have seen from 9/11 and onward (plus back in history, too). They are much more credible than this crazy South Korean who thinks he’ll set things straight by shooting up his fellow students.
Dismissing this guy as a nutball has nothing to do with not recognizing what real Islamic terrorism is all about and what they mean to do. When you associate someone like this crazy guy — with real terrorists — all you do is create a “caricature” of Islamic terrorists (in other words a “cartoonish character of Islam) and not the *real thing*.
This guy was not the real thing. There *is* the real thing of Islamic terrorism out there in the world. I would suggest concentrating on the “real” and not the “cartoon character” of a nutball case on a some campus.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Cheers mate.
Wouldn’t that be Ibrahim’s Axe?
The reporter may have chosen that spelling... Thy most likely just got the info verbally.
WOW! Finally! Somebody that thinks the way I do!........Let's chat!.............
The kid was an English major, so there are quite a few possible interpretations as to what Ismail's Ax might mean. It also might be a reference some crazy crap that this idiot made up, he was a writer of some sort.
Point is, it's too early to make assumptions about this guy's motives. More information will be forthcoming in the coming days and we'll have a better understanding then.
I agree with you but seems a lot of people don't want to go there. Who would have ever thought Jihad Johnnie from Marin County, CA would be found on a battlefield in Afghanistan fighting alongside the Taliban? How many American converts are there? Recruiters prey on loners.
You said — “Virginia Tech. Virgin. Virgins. 72 Virgins. I think I’m on to something here...”
Thanks for the good laugh!
I think you’ve got the “logic” down perfectly. That’s the exact logic that is being used to connect this nutball to Islam...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “I don’t know if he converted to Islam but there is rantings that sure looks like he may have tinkered in it.”
That may very well be true. He may have tinkered in it — like many of us go to smorgasbog (all you can eat restaurant) and pick at this and that, and load up our plates.
He probably “picked at this and picked at that” and loaded up in his mind a mish-mash and collection of different and disparate and even conflicting ideas, philosophies and religions. And whatever “worked” for his justification, well, apparently it “justified” his shooting of many of his fellow students...
Regards,
Star Traveler
I don't think the cute, sociable girl who was the initial victim had anything to do with this hostile creep. He may have stalked her. I tend to doubt he was an Islamic terrorist, as you do. But I think you're wrong that Islamists (like commies, Nazis, etc.) find no use for "nutjobs." After all, the leaders of these movements aren't the ones who blow themselves up; they recruit marginal, immature people to do so. And normal people don't saw heads off live victims. Sadists, sociopaths, and other creeps find ready employment in Islam and other inherently aggressive and violent movements.
In my view they are but from their indoctrination they are martyrs -- I will wait to decide. If he viewed himself a "martyr" I hope it's 72 Virginians that he meets up there.
You said — “ WOW! Finally! Somebody that thinks the way I do!........Let’s chat!.............”
Well..., before we chat, let’s just make sure you haven’t been buying glocks, recently and don’t have some chains stashed away and aren’t stocking a bunch of extra loaded clips... okay?? :-)
Regards,
Star Traveler
Barring a judge sealing the note, at what point in this process should the note be made publicly available for Drudge or smokinggun to post?
Ismail would indicate the position of a son, a servant to the father, a carrying on of the father’s activity. Ibrahim would indicate he was assuming the position of the father.
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