Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

As US tax rates drop, government's reach grows
CS Monitor ^ | 4/16/2007 | Mark Trumbull

Posted on 04/16/2007 8:12:56 AM PDT by oblomov

Maybe the era of big government isn't over, after all.

As Americans finish their annual tax-filing flurry to meet a Tuesday deadline, it is true that tax rates are lower than they were a few years ago. But according to a different yardstick, the federal government's reach is expanding.

Slightly over half of all Americans – 52.6 percent – now receive significant income from government programs, according to an analysis by Gary Shilling, an economist in Springfield, N.J. That's up from 49.4 percent in 2000 and far above the 28.3 percent of Americans in 1950. If the trend continues, the percentage could rise within ten years to pass 55 percent, where it stood in 1980 on the eve of President's Reagan's move to scale back the size of government.

That two-decade shrink-the-government trend now appears over, if for no other reason than demographics. The aging baby-boomer generation is poised to receive big payments from Social Security and government healthcare programs.

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cradletograve; leviathan; socialism
So much for the land of the free. Limited government went out with the Charleston and the Model A.
1 posted on 04/16/2007 8:12:58 AM PDT by oblomov
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: oblomov
Slightly over half of all Americans – 52.6 percent – now receive significant income from government programs

Is this including Federal employees? Or is this a reference to social spending? Either way, the number is WAY too high.

2 posted on 04/16/2007 8:18:59 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: oblomov
That two-decade shrink-the-government trend now appears over, if for no other reason than demographics. The aging baby-boomer generation is poised to receive big payments from Social Security and government healthcare programs.

YIPPEE!!

/sarc
3 posted on 04/16/2007 8:19:22 AM PDT by Kerretarded (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TheBattman

>>>Is this including Federal employees? Or is this a reference to social spending?

Both.


4 posted on 04/16/2007 8:21:19 AM PDT by oblomov
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: oblomov
So much for the land of the free.

From the perspective of the recipient, it is 'free'.

5 posted on 04/16/2007 8:21:25 AM PDT by Always Right
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: oblomov
That two-decade shrink-the-government trend now appears over,

The "trend" only existed in Republican fund raising speeches. I don't think there was any year in which the amount spent by the government was less then the year before.

6 posted on 04/16/2007 8:21:42 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kerretarded

I put enough hard earned $$ into the SS program at no will of my own, and want it ALL back .


7 posted on 04/16/2007 8:29:53 AM PDT by Renegade
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: oblomov
"New Deal programs persist," despite the Reagan revolution and its aftermath, says James Galbraith, an economist at the University of Texas in Austin. "They persist because they are largely successful and highly popular."

This was the dumbest quote in the story (so dumb they had to repeat it twice). What we have found is that social security is NOT successful and an incredibly poor way to provide for retirement. It is only popular because we haven't been allowed by Government to change the program into something that works better. People are fearful of losing what little Social Security does provide them for their money.

8 posted on 04/16/2007 8:33:07 AM PDT by rhombus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

Per the article “significant income” means that as the population is aging, more and more of them are living on their ss income.

This was expected.

No news here.


9 posted on 04/16/2007 8:33:37 AM PDT by WBL 1952
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Renegade

No way, Jose. The money contributed in your name is long spent.


10 posted on 04/16/2007 8:35:51 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: oblomov

11 posted on 04/16/2007 8:37:05 AM PDT by traditional1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Renegade

You will get it all back. The more appropriate question is: What will it be worth? With the way things are going on the inflation front, you will be lucky if your SS income in 20 years will be enough for a cup of coffee and a doughnut.


12 posted on 04/16/2007 8:37:43 AM PDT by nomadicone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: oblomov

Thank god the Repulicans have been running the show! < /s>


13 posted on 04/16/2007 8:43:27 AM PDT by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: oblomov

Yeah the drop the tax rates, but then more of us get hit with the AMT.

It’s all just a shell game.


14 posted on 04/16/2007 8:44:25 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Renegade

I put enough hard earned $$ into the SS program at no will of my own, and want it ALL back .


We had better get it back.


15 posted on 04/16/2007 8:46:12 AM PDT by EagleUSA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: rhombus
What we have found is that social security is NOT successful and an incredibly poor way to provide for retirement.

And the problem is we've already paid into it with our own money, and so we are so fearful of losing what we've paid in that we'd do anything to save it, even though it would be in the best interests to get rid of it.

16 posted on 04/16/2007 8:46:24 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Renegade
I put enough hard earned $$ into the SS program at no will of my own, and want it ALL back .

Good luck! Too bad you don't have a contract signed by the United States Government agreeing to this.
17 posted on 04/16/2007 8:47:03 AM PDT by Kerretarded (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Kerretarded
Too bad you don't have a contract signed by the United States Government agreeing to this.

Besides, ask any Indian about how reliable a contract signed with the United States Government is.

18 posted on 04/16/2007 8:48:14 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: traditional1

19 posted on 04/16/2007 8:48:40 AM PDT by Feiny (Fruitloops are Gay Cheerios)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: oblomov
Alexander Fraser Tytler made this interesting observation about democracy in 1776: “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. [Tytler describes the life cycle of civilization as from Bondage to Spiritual Faith to Great Courage to Liberty to Abundance to Selfishness to Complacency to Apathy to Dependency and back into Bondage.]”
20 posted on 04/16/2007 8:49:25 AM PDT by xrp (Republicans Message: Vote for us, we suck less than Democrats.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TheBattman
Is this including Federal employees?

Yes; and government & military pensions, and Social Security, and private sector workers 'dependent on government business', and the social programs, including college grants.

You can bet that every civilian-support military worker, as well as Haliburton, Bechtel, shipyards, ports, airports, state highway workers (they get a big portion of their funding from the Feds) hopsital & nursing home employees, etc. are all included in those catagories. So are a heck of a lot of others, working for companies that sell ANYTHING to the government.

Many, like hospoital & medical workers get to be counted twice, because they are 'dependent' on Federal spending, ie Medicare, Medicaid, etc.; AND they probably got various school or other grants.

The purpose was to shock, not inform.

21 posted on 04/16/2007 8:49:46 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: oblomov

There needs to be a reasonable balance restored between supporting those who both truly need and deserve support from the government, and blanket largesse given to the public at large.

For example, there should be a means test for any kind of unearned government support. Nobody of means should receive Social Security, for example, even if they have put large amounts of money into the system. Social Security should be returned over time to those who it was originally intended for, minimum wage employees with no other retirement.

While most people would resist such an idea, with inflation, all the money paid in might just be enough for a reasonable retirement for the few. However, in the future, unless Social Security could be fully funded by those minimum wage employees who would benefit from it, it must be restructured into an investment account, so that it could.

Conversely, the US has a perpetual overabundance of food, so food aid should be very liberal indeed. Since the government controls food production and prices to protect farmers, it should also reduce its surplus as effectively. Warehousing surplus is just too expensive to continue.

Free enterprise should also enter in to the situation for government benefits. Everything from “retirement insurance” offered by insurance companies, to a multitude of health care with an increasing emphasis on privatization, should also be on the table.


22 posted on 04/16/2007 8:50:54 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ApplegateRanch

BUT-—

I read and heard some statistics regarding the Federal budget today (Actually I believe it was 2005 or 06) vs. some historical point - I wish I could remember.

Anyway - the defense spending and social spending had pretty much swapped places. The historical figure was defense took up something over 80% of the budget, while today’s figures, social spending makes up over 60% of the Federal budget.

I just wish I could find the exact figures again... was truly frustrating.


23 posted on 04/16/2007 8:58:33 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: oblomov

Not only that, but state and local have raised taxes and have taken a lot of the federal tax savings. It’s pretty much a wash.


24 posted on 04/16/2007 8:59:36 AM PDT by mysterio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xrp
[Tytler describes the life cycle of civilization as from Bondage to Spiritual Faith to Great Courage to Liberty to Abundance to Selfishness to Complacency to Apathy to Dependency and back into Bondage.]”

Well, a lot of Americans are Definitely in the Selfishness, Complacency, Apathy or Dependency categories. In fact, these all seem to stem off of one branch, Abundance. Abundant societies produce generations of selfish, complacent, apathetic and dependent children. The sad part is the generation right before Abundance worked their butts off trying to guarantee a better life for the next generation. But now, people no longer have to work to survive.
25 posted on 04/16/2007 9:00:54 AM PDT by Kerretarded (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: ApplegateRanch
I think this is where the figures for recent budget come from... but even those may be misleading:


26 posted on 04/16/2007 9:02:00 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: WBL 1952
Per the article “significant income” means that as the population is aging, more and more of them are living on their ss income.

The Federal Employee retirement liability exceeds the Social Security retirement liability...That's right, we are paying more benefits to civil servants than to producers.
.
27 posted on 04/16/2007 9:07:05 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Kerretarded

Believe me -If they screw us WE WILL GET EVEN!!!


28 posted on 04/16/2007 9:07:19 AM PDT by Renegade
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: mysterio
ELIMINATE ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.
29 posted on 04/16/2007 9:07:57 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (ELIMINATE ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Renegade
Believe me -If they screw us WE WILL GET EVEN!!!

No, we won't. People aren't about to get up off the couch for any reason as long as they can watch their stories and football and stuff doritos into their mouths.

We've been tamed, fella.
30 posted on 04/16/2007 9:10:48 AM PDT by mysterio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio
I don't think there was any year in which the amount spent by the government was less then the year before.

Remember that according the dems and the MSM, a "spending cut" means that government spending increased, just not as much as they wanted it to.

31 posted on 04/16/2007 9:21:05 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: mysterio

Then let’s cange WE to I . Where there is a will, there is the way . Beware of the ONE!!


32 posted on 04/16/2007 9:21:55 AM PDT by Renegade
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: zarf
Thank god the Repulicans have been running the show! < /s>

Try to remember, Bush & Co. tried to get started with reform, but were blocked by the Dems. Repubs were unable to get the votes necessary to reform the system, and they proposed good ideas on reform/fixing the system. Dems kicked the can down the road and never even addressed it. Dems never came up with an idea to help solve the impending shortfall.

33 posted on 04/16/2007 9:23:53 AM PDT by mallardx
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: oblomov

I expect nothing. I plan on nothing. In return, I dream that my government doesn’t ask more of me than God (10%). Fat chance...

Anyway, does anyone know what day is Tax Freedom Day this year?


34 posted on 04/16/2007 10:14:54 AM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mysterio

You think it hurts now, just wait ‘til you have to pay the Jizya!


35 posted on 04/16/2007 10:16:48 AM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: feinswinesuksass

LOL !


36 posted on 04/16/2007 2:38:06 PM PDT by traditional1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson