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Windows XP to be phased out by year's end despite customer demand
APC Magazine ^ | 12 April 2007 | Angus Kidman

Posted on 04/12/2007 8:20:09 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: N3WBI3
Yes but 6 months to a year is too short... Two years is the minimum acceptable lapse..

Why? Between the release of 10.1 (the first usable OS X, it was a free upgrade because of 10.0 problems) and the inability of Macs to boot OS 9 was about a year. I don't remember ME and XP existing together in the OEM chain for long either. Having a year overlap in the OEM channels sounds just right, if not generous, to me. Remember, retail XP will likely be available for a while after that.

41 posted on 04/12/2007 8:58:08 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: EagleUSA

the first Vista laptop showed up at the office yesterday. we tried to run some common applications - *all* of them went belly up. the owner is now insisting we either install Windows XP if it has the drivers for the newish hardware on the laptop. if it doesn’t - he says he’s ready to try Ubuntu or Fedora Core 6.


42 posted on 04/12/2007 8:59:20 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: stompk
I've been in the Unix business since 1980. Adjusting to the variants in the market in just part of being a competent player. My customers use UNIX-1100 on UNISYS boxes, real UNIX on 3B20, a mutt mix of SYSV/BSD on UNISYS 7000 (tahoe) machine, HP-UX 7/8/9 on HP-PA and 68K platforms, SunOS/Solaris on SPARC, QNX 4/6 on embedded systems, Linux (RedHat, Fedora, Debian, Slackware) on servers and embedded. They also have Windows stuff around..Win98/2000/XP. It doesn't matter what my customer shoves in front of me, I just go with it and deliver what they want.

I had some brief work engagements on DG-UX, IBM-AIX and DEC Unix. The initial efforts to port to a true 64-bit machine were real eye openers in 1991. That stuff was just too early to market and died an appropriately early death. It's time to start looking at that genre again with the advent of more commonplace 64-bit machines.

43 posted on 04/12/2007 9:00:27 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: stompk
“I do *nix support for a living, and I won’t load linux (again) at home. toooo much hassle. not intuitive, too many versions to get consistent support, drivers are hard to find, lack of software, family members are completely lost, and when it does work, I feel it lacks a lot of the fit, finish and features of Windows.”

Just curious.... what distro’s were you loading that you had such problems with?

I couldn’t be happier with both MEPIS and SUSE 10.2....they both installed very quickly...and totally without drama.

44 posted on 04/12/2007 9:00:42 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: antiRepublicrat
True the bar is a little lower for OSX because not too many huge enterprises had to replace thousands of apple desktops to keep their environment a unified one. Apple also sells their own systems not just the OS, its a different market. Finally OS9 was a dog and had to die, that being said apple should have left it at the vets a bit longer before putting her down.

As for the ME thing, MS was wrong there as well ME was *CRAP* but once you start pushing it you need to keep it around a bit when there are other alternatives so large organizations can migrate.

45 posted on 04/12/2007 9:04:43 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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To: taxed2death

“I’ve been in the Unix business since 1980. Adjusting to the variants in the market in just part of being a competent player. “

my post does not then, apply to you. I am talking about the other 95% of people who are looking for a home solution.
anyone looking to use Vista for business obviously is getting bad advice :-)

and to taxed2death - redhat and SUSE. albeit not recently.


46 posted on 04/12/2007 9:06:12 AM PDT by stompk
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To: N3WBI3

“Apple also sells their own systems not just the OS”

I have an Apple IPOD. I have not tried OSX, but having used Itunes, I am scared to death of an Apple OS. ( and I do OS support for a living :-)


47 posted on 04/12/2007 9:07:35 AM PDT by stompk
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To: stompk

Why? if you had trouble with a zune would you swear off windows?


48 posted on 04/12/2007 9:08:27 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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To: N3WBI3
True the bar is a little lower for OSX because not too many huge enterprises had to replace thousands of apple desktops to keep their environment a unified one.

In those cases the OEM OS usually doesn't matter. Although they probably exist, I haven't seen a large organization that didn't have its own image for the computers it buys. The first thing that happens is that the OEM-provided OS goes away.

Finally OS9 was a dog and had to die, that being said apple should have left it at the vets a bit longer before putting her down.

They did, in the Classic environment. You just couldn't boot straight to OS 9. The modern version of that is a VM.

49 posted on 04/12/2007 9:09:13 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: N3WBI3

“Why? if you had trouble with a zune would you swear off windows?”

LOL. no, but most people, having used Windows, have sworn off Zune :-)


50 posted on 04/12/2007 9:09:57 AM PDT by stompk
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To: ShadowAce

I will never upgrade to Vista from XP. Never.


51 posted on 04/12/2007 9:11:58 AM PDT by montag813
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To: stompk
redhat and SUSE. albeit not recently.

As a long-time user of Red Hat's distros, I can attest that they have come quite far in both installation and usability just in the last few years.

Fedora Core is now the consumer version, and I use it all the time. The only tweak I still have to perform on a new install is wireless access, but it's not a big deal to do (<5 mins).

There are other distros out there designed to be easy to use, and even some are quite windows-like. Do some research on various distros, and try one that looks interesting.

52 posted on 04/12/2007 9:15:24 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Myrddin
It's time to start looking at that genre again with the advent of more commonplace 64-bit machines.

OS X? As of Leopard it will be a completely 64-bit BSD variant (performance-sensitive libraries already are 64-bit).

53 posted on 04/12/2007 9:15:57 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: montag813
I will never upgrade to Vista from XP. Never.

heh--I never upgraded from Windows 2000.

54 posted on 04/12/2007 9:16:14 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: AntiFed
MEPIS. It "just works" out of the box. The crew at mepislovers.org are the NICEST group you will ever find, as well. download at http://www.mepis.org/mirrors
55 posted on 04/12/2007 9:17:23 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: ShadowAce
I use FedEx as my shipper at work, and they do not support Vista. From what I've seen of it, Microsoft can have it.
56 posted on 04/12/2007 9:18:38 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (I have a big carbon footprint and I'm not afraid to use it.)
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To: stompk

Just to clarify:

That quote you attributed to me was made by someone else..

re: redhat...I’m running RH9 on an old pooter to use with BRL-CAD. I agree RH was a PITA to set up.

re: SUSE.. for some reason...I have found the latest version of SUSE (10.2 I believe)...much easier installing then previous versions.


57 posted on 04/12/2007 9:18:56 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
I couldn’t be happier with both MEPIS

Well, we had to look hard for it...., but we can be in complete harmony on this issue, if nothing else! Mepis so very ROCKS!

58 posted on 04/12/2007 9:19:24 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: ShadowAce

Long live Windows 2000 Pro. Works on practically any program written for Windows and I have the disc with code so I can reinstall it whenever I need. I just make sure *never* to visit Microsoft so they can’t update it with spyware and crapware.


59 posted on 04/12/2007 9:20:35 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (Whoever first portrayed the Democrats as braying jackasses was an exceptional judge of character.)
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To: 1rudeboy

What are you doing in Eve? 0.0 alliance warfare is going to take up a lot more computing power than Mining in empire.


60 posted on 04/12/2007 9:20:43 AM PDT by John Will
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