Posted on 04/05/2007 6:30:42 PM PDT by tcostell
Almost nothing. But both give is more than Santorrum, Talent and Allen, since they no longer hold office because they carried the stench of the religious right.
The religious folks do not seem to grasp the extent to which the party is on the verge of long-term irrelevance. They are also clueless as to the extent that their support kills a candidate's chances in a lot of the battleground states.
I know you find this hard to believe, but much as I disagree with Giuliani's stand on public funding of abortion, it helps him, even in the Republican primary.
Horse hockey.
“Guiliani would have had at least a theoretical chance had he said he personally opposed abortion but supported a women’s right etc etc and left it at that.”
I still wouldn’t find him acceptable. Whenever I hear anyone utter those words, “I am personally opposed to abortions but I support a woman’s right to choose.” , I know I am listening to a coward!
Yes. If libs like Specter and the Austrian are conservatives then the word has lost all meaning.
Yes, California and Pennsylvannia define American centrist politics.
Try again.
I find it fascinating how the media keeps piling on grief to the “RELIGIOUS RIGHT”
What nation on this earth has more permissive abortion laws than the US? Most European nations restrict abortion after 12 weeks. They find our partial birth abortion to be part of our violent mean streak.
I think it really is time for the libertarians to come clean. How is defining a human being out of existence non-intrusive? If I thought avoiding a fight over the violation of an individual or group of libertarians was “libertarian,” I don’t think anyone would be fooled by that.
The governmenat has intervened in the lives of the unborn and said— hey— you’re not. The government has intervened in the Church and said— marriage is not.
Libertarians say ‘live and let live’ but it rings rather hollow on all counts. The strong get to live and the weak get to refrain from expecting the government to abide by any principal of equity. Libertarians know that most communities would ban or restrict abortion but they play liberal logic against social conservatives because they know it gives them tragic with the Liberal Media.
Most libertarians I know are unthoughtful sellouts. I hope you are not.
Here’s one Social Conservative
that could never, every vote
for Rudy. It’s an impossibility.
It would be like the Democrats
were advocating the nomination
of a Capitalistic, Guns and
Butter Candidate. An Impossibility.
You have so many straw dogs in the way, it is hard to see what you are trying to say.
Read the aricle, it will do you good.
Amen! Shows he sticks by his Liberal Dem principles. Probably wants to expand his NYC illegal santuary to the entire USA, ban guns and otherwise show that in 2008 we will have the choice between the Dem candidate and the Dem candidate.
Rudy can at least lay claim to the fact that he somehow got libertarians and social conservatives to unite on an issue, lol.
tragic = traction
A candidate like that thoroughly discredits the entire political party.
I would NEVER call either of them conservatives. But Specter is the only statewide Republican office holder in Pennsylvania, so obviously he is the best we can do. And if you cannot win in Pennsylvania or Ohio, you cannot win nationally.
Ohio is in worse shape for Republicans than Pennsylvania right now.
If we nominate a conservative of the ilk of a Santorum or Allen or Talent, we will get our butts kicked, even by Hillary Clinton. So it is either Giuliani or McCain or complete oblivion for generations, possibly beyond.
You take the best coalition that gets you a majority. That is the political reality of the situation, and most Republicans recognize it.
True constitutionalists? Really?
ARTICLE THE SEVENTH [Amendment V]
“No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
Your credibility (if you ever had any) continues to evaporate with each inane, uneducated post.
This idea that Republican losses in 2006 can be laid at the feet of religious conservatives because of some mythical breakdown of the Reagan coalition is absolute nonsense. Take a look at the the loss of the Senate on a race by race basis.
Chafee: Farther to the left than most Democrats. GOP abandoned the Club for Growth supported Laffey in an ill fated attempt to keep the seat. Chafee was crushed.
DeWine: Hardly a paragon of the hard right. Lost in a statewide GOP wipe out as the result of the Taft scandal.
Burns: Abramoff scandal, Democrats took over statewide in 2004, Montana Senators are traditionally Democrats, his in state approval numbers were in the 30s and he still lost by less than 1%.
Santorum: Terrible loss for conservatives, but against a (supposedly) pro-life son of a popular former governor. Add in the Toomey issue (which was idiotic in my opinion, his support of Specter was carrying water for the National GOP and the administration) and you get a bad loss.
Talent: Another bad loss for conservatives, but let's keep in mind he was elected by a 1% margin in the special election in 2002 and lost a statewide race for governor in 2000. There was also a Libertarian in the race that siphoned off 2%, or more than the margin he needed to win. Thanks.
Allen: Macaca, racial slurs, Barr labs, etc. Allen had a double digit lead before the mud bath began. He lost by less than 1% and declined his recount.
These losses all took place against a backdrop of an unpopular war led by an extremely unpopular president, corruption problems and a traitorous media. If perception of the war was better and Bush was at even 50% approval, Allen, Talent, and Burns would be sitting Senators and the GOP would still be in control.
If you want to blame the Religious Right find something they're responsible for.
You simply cannot win a national election without either Pennsylvania or Ohio, and Pennsylvania, impossible as it is, is actually more favorable to Republicans than Ohio in 2008.
If you are right, that religious Americans no longer matter, then it really doesn’t matter who wins elections, does it?
This nation was founded by and also preserved by religious Americans on there knees praying to Almighty God praising him and asking for His blessings on our nation. The only reason we ever were a great nation is because God is Great! Without Him, this nation is dead! And misery will spread across this once great land.
So instead of cursing the religious right, you might want to thank them for interceding on your behalf!
The tactic of attacking candidates because they have the support of religious conservatives is working in a lot of places it never worked before.
I do not curse the religious right, sir. I defend to the death your right to worship and believe whatever you will. I curse the intrusions on my liberty, sir. Whether they come from you or from the losers and perverts on the other side. Theirs are worse, by far, but yours are not trivial.
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