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Gore's Company Says He's Not Profiting from 'Carbon Offsets'
Cybercast News Service ^ | 3/7/07 | Fred Lucas

Posted on 04/04/2007 10:25:22 PM PDT by conservative in nyc

Al Gore is not profiting from his crusade against global warming, a spokesman for an investment firm co-founded by the former vice president said Tuesday.

Gore's London-based employee-owned company, Generation Investment Management (GIM), purchases -- but isn't a provider of -- carbon dioxide (CO2) "offsets," said spokesman Richard Campbell.

GIM is strictly an investment firm that considers how eco-friendly corporations are in assessing long-term sustainability, Campbell told Cybercast News Service by phone from London.

After Gore came under fire last week for high energy consumption in his Tennessee mansion, one explanation offered by his defenders was that he pays for carbon offsets.

The Tennessean newspaper then reported that Gore's company invests in projects to reduce energy consumption around the world, sparking accusations in other media outlets that Gore is making money off global warming by essentially paying himself for the "offsets."

(Climate campaigners have established a procedure which allows an individual, business or institution responsible for high levels of CO2 emissions to buy "offsets." They pay a levy that will go towards renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power or for planting trees - so-called "carbon sinks" that remove carbon from the atmosphere.

Thus, according to advocates, high energy users can be considered "carbon neutral," because they are making up for the amount of CO2 they produce by funding eco-friendly projects elsewhere.)

"That's a serious accusation of illegal activity," Campbell said Tuesday of the profiteering allegations.

"We do not invest in any activity of carbon offset. That's nonsense. We are a fund management business that does sustainability research," he added.

The confusion, Campbell said, arose because GIM pays to offset the energy use of its operations and the personal emissions of its 23 employees, including Gore.

So, the firm will cover the cost to offset the energy use at Gore's home, or his global jet travel, as it would the offset cost of any other employee, Campbell said.

GIM, which Gore started with former Goldman Sachs executive David Blood in 2004, uses the Chicago Climate Exchange and the British-based Carbon Neutral Company to cover the high energy use of GIM and its employees.

Just how lucrative the company is for Gore is unclear.

"Mr. Gore, as a private citizen, does not release his private income," Gore spokesman Kalee Kreider told Cybercast News Service in an e-mail response to questions about how much Gore makes from the company. Media inquiries to Gore's office must be put in writing.

The fact that Gore's Nashville home runs up electricity bills averaging $1,200 per month was publicized last week by the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.

"If the issue is that severe that he fears for his children and grandchildren, he should get his own house in order as far as energy use," the think tank's president, Drew Johnson, told Cybercast News Service.

"I question someone more when he has so much to gain politically and financially by using scare tactics," he said.

'Shaming others into living differently'

Critics question the validity of offsetting emissions, in part because the system doesn't require those wealthy enough to afford offsets to conserve anything.

"I question if offsets are real or a way to get a certificate you can frame that says 'I'm a virtuous person,'" Myron Ebell, director of energy and global warming policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), told Cybercast News Service.

"This really is a class thing. Other than the rich, no one else can buy offsets."

Ebell said this means people like Gore "can continue to live exactly the way they want and shame others into living differently."

The conservative CEI has been a leading skeptic of the notion that human activity is causing global warming. But Ebell said that if Gore believes in it, he should act more like a leader.

"A leader leads by example," Ebell said. "A general doesn't pay someone else to lead the charge."

It can be difficult to know to what extent such offsets really work, said Ben Dunham, staff attorney for the liberal U.S. Public Interest Research Group.

"These personal offset companies really do invest in projects somewhere in the world," Dunham told Cybercast News Service. "The problem is you can never be sure a project wouldn't happen anyway regardless of the contribution."

Ted Dodge, executive director of the National Carbon Offsets Coalition, said advocates of this offset industry agree about the need to impose more regulations.

Currently, industry standards are set by the Chicago Climate Exchange - the only carbon offset firm in North America, Dodge said.

"This is not the answer to global climate change, but it's part of the answer," Dodge said.

"These are real offsets. This is a bridge to the future. It's not a real option to shut out fossil fuels now," he added.

Ex-campaign manager

The president of GIM's U.S. operation is Peter S. Knight, who served as Gore's chief of staff in the U.S. Senate and later as campaign manager for the Clinton-Gore reelection campaign in 1996.

Knight is a controversial figure. In 1999, Republicans on the House Commerce Committee asked then U.S. Attorney Janet Reno to investigate whether a $1 million payment to Knight from a Tennessee developer was an illegal contingency fee for helping get the Federal Communications Commission to move to the development.

Knight and the developer, Franklin Haney, said the payment was for legal fees for Knight's work on several projects. Reno declined to investigate.

Knight is traveling this week and isn't available for an interview, according to the Washington office of Generation Investment Management.


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KEYWORDS: algore; carbonneutral; globalwarming; inconvenienttruth
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While this article is a little old, it was never posted last month. It clears up the bad reporting by the Tennessean that lead many folks to believe that Al Gore purchased carbon offsets from his company, Generation Investment Management. Al Gore doesn't.

Instead, Al Gore's company buys carbon offsets from a company called CarbonNeutral for all of Al Gore's private and public carbon-producing sins. I wonder whether GIM can write these purchases off for tax purposes and/or Al Gore is required to pay taxes on this fringe benefit. If GIM is writing it off and Al Gore isn't paying any additional taxes, then congratulations! You and I are effectively partners in Al Gore's carbon indulgence purchase!

1 posted on 04/04/2007 10:25:24 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: xcamel; DaveLoneRanger

Ping!


2 posted on 04/04/2007 10:25:50 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

Riiiiiiiiight!


3 posted on 04/04/2007 10:26:48 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: xcamel
This whole Ponzi scheme smells like BS....

OK, so the company doesn’t “purchase” or “sell” carbon offsets. (So the spokesman claims.)

But then why did Gore HIMSELF that he bought bought carbon offsets FROM this company?

And (by the way) what good does purchasing carbon offsets of 10% of your use do, when you’re USING 10 TIMES the amount of energy a normal family uses? In ONE if three houses nationally?

Forget the aircraft and planes and taxis and hotels ....

4 posted on 04/04/2007 10:31:52 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: dfwgator
The article is likely correct. I’m in the process of posting the rest of the explanation for the First Goracle of Al now. Bill Hobbs has an interesting expose on CarbonNeutral.
5 posted on 04/04/2007 10:32:19 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

So Albore is buying carbon credits, but isn’t buying them.


6 posted on 04/04/2007 10:34:42 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Posted by Time's Man of the Year)
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To: conservative in nyc
Some environmentalists still question whether even the best carbon offset scheme is a real solution to climate change.

"It's a Faustian bargain," said Michael Dorsey, a professor of environmental studies at Dartmouth College. "It's an untested, unproven experiment."

While the Tufts Climate Initiative ranked the programs, it made a decision not to purchase offsets.

"We are spending our effort on reducing our own direct emissions," said Sarah Creighton, director of the Climate Initiative. "We feel that's a prudent use of our resources. It's taking care of our own house and not paying someone to do it for us."

One group, the Transnational Institute's Carbon Trade Watch, said in a report, "Instead of encouraging individuals and institutions to profoundly change consumption patterns as well as social, economic and political structures, we are being asked to believe that paying a little extra for certain goods and services is sufficient."

Offsets, said the Sierra Club's Hamilton, should be a last resort.

"It does no good but assuage your guilt if you drive a huge Hummer, live in a McMansion, then say you've bought offsets," said Bruce Hamilton at the Sierra Club. "First, you should eliminate trips, walk rather than driving, insulate your house."

After you've shrunk your energy use, then you can think about offsets, he said. "We need to get more money in the economy dedicated to reducing carbon emissions."

7 posted on 04/04/2007 10:35:37 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: razorback-bert

And Clinton never told a lie either....


8 posted on 04/04/2007 10:41:43 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: conservative in nyc

Here’s some more about Al Gore’s carbon offsets and his partner:

Maurice Strong, Al Gore
Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it
http://adognamedkyoto.blogspot.com/

By Judi McLeod

Tuesday, March 13, 2007

There’s an elephant in global warming’s living room that few in the mainstream media want to talk about: the creators of the carbon credit scheme are the ones cashing in on it.

The two cherub like choirboys singing loudest in the Holier Than Thou Global Warming Cathedral are Maurice Strong and Al Gore.

This duo has done more than anyone else to advance the alarmism of man-made global warming.

With little media monitoring, both Strong and Gore are cashing in on the lucrative cottage industry known as man-made global warming.

Strong is on the board of directors of the Chicago Climate Exchange, Wikipedia-described as “the world’s first and North America’s only legally binding greenhouse gas emission registry reduction system for emission sources and offset projects in North America and Brazil.”

Gore buys his carbon off-sets from himself—the Generation Investment Management LLP, “an independent, private, owner-managed partnership established in 2004 with offices in London and Washington, D.C.” of which he is both chairman and founding partner.

To hear the saving-the-earth singsong of this dynamic duo, even the feather light petals of cherry blossoms in Washington leave a bigger carbon footprint.

It’s a strange global warming partnership that Strong and Gore have, but it’s one that’s working.

Strong is the silent partner, a man whose name often draws a blank in the Washington cocktail circuit. Even though a former Secretary General of the 1992 United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (the much hyped Rio Earth Summit) and Under-Secretary General of the United Nations in the days of a beleaguered Kofi Annan, the Canadian born Strong is little known in the Unites States. That’s because he spends most of his time in China where he works to make the communist country the world’s next superpower. The nondescript Strong, nonetheless is big cheese in the world of climate change, and is one of the main architects of the coming-your-way-soon Kyoto Protocol.

Gore is the glitzy, media approved front man in the partnership, the flashing neon lights on the global stage warning the masses of the end of Earth, as we know it, and Hollywood’s poster boy for greening the silver screen.

The skeptics of man-made global warming believe that Gore and Strong have made climate change “the new religion”. Climate change is not the first religion both parties have tried to make stick. Along with former Soviet Union leader Mikhail Gorbachev, Strong, currently president of the Earth Council, has been boasting of replacing the Ten Commandments with the Earth Charter, a golden rule guide for how the masses should treat the environment.

Gore, who has given sermons at the United Nations sponsored Cathedral of St. John the Divine Church in New York City, is a promoter of the religion known as Gaia.

The two environmental gurus also share a belief in radical Malthusian population reduction. According to them, too many people, particularly in the U.S. are polluting the planet, emitting excessive Freon through their refrigerators and jacking up the air conditioning.

But the conduct of Al Gore and Maurice Strong in the capitalist world is one for the books. It’s a side of them that may have remained unknown had it not been for the investigative talent of the Executive Intelligence Review (EIR).

The tawdry tale of the top two global warming gurus in the business world goes all the way back to Earth Day, April 17, 1995 when the future author of An Inconvenient Truth traveled to Fall River, Massachusetts, to deliver a green sermon at the headquarters of Molten Metal Technology Inc. (MMTI). MMTI was a firm that proclaimed to have invented a process for recycling metals from waste.Gore praised the Molten Metal firm as a pioneer in the kind of innovative technology that can save the environment, and make money for investors at the same time.

“Gore left a few facts out of his speech that day. First, the firm was run by Strong and a group of Gore intimates, including Peter Knight, the firm’s registered lobbyist, and Gore’s former top Senate aide,” wrote EIR.

“Second, the company had received more than $25 million in U.S. Department of energy (DOE) research and development grants, but had failed to prove that the technology worked on a commercial scale. The company would go on to receive another $8 million in federal taxpayers’ cash, at that point, its only source of revenue.

“With Al Gore’s Earth Day as a Wall Street calling card, Molten Metal’s stock value soared to $35 a share, a range it maintained through October 1996. But along the way, DOE scientists had balked at further funding. When, in March 1996, corporate officers concluded that the federal cash cow was about to run dry, they took action: Between that date and October 1996, seven corporate officers—including Maurice Strong—sold off $15.3 million in personal shares in the company, at top market value. On Oct. 20, 1996—a Sunday—the company issued a press release, announcing for the first time, that DOE funding would be vastly scaled back, and reported the bad news on a conference call with stockbrokers.

“On Monday, the stock plunged by 49%, soon landing at $5 a share.By early 1997, furious stockholders had filed a class action suit against the company and its directors. Ironically, one of the class action lawyers had tangled with Maurice Strong in another insider trading case, involving a Swiss company called AZL Resources, chaired by Strong, who was also a lead shareholder. The AZL case closely mirrored Molten Metal, and in the end, Strong and the other AZL partners agreed to pay $5 million to dodge a jury verdict, when eyewitness evidence surfaced of Strong’s role in scamming the value of the company stock up into the stratosphere, before selling it off.

In 1997, Strong went on to accept from Tongsun Park, the Korean man found guilty of illegally acting as an Iraqi agent, $1 million from Saddam Hussein, which was invested in Cordex Petroleum Inc., a company he owned with his son, Fred.

In that year, Gore, still U.S. vice president, was making news for “taking the initiative in creating the Internet.”

The leaders of the man-made global warming movement, you might say, get around.

Meanwhile Jumbo’s still in global warming’s living room, but the duo with the tiniest carbon footprints on earth continue to just tiptoe past him.

Canada Free Press founding editor Judi McLeod is an award-winning journalist with 30 years experience in the print media. Her work has appeared on Newsmax.com, Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, Glenn Beck and The Rant. Judi can be reached at: letters@canadafreepress.com.


9 posted on 04/04/2007 10:44:12 PM PDT by Eva
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To: conservative in nyc

Yeah right, I’m going to buy “offsets”. These people sound like Amway.


10 posted on 04/04/2007 10:46:38 PM PDT by claudiustg (I curse you, Rudy of the Giuliani!)
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To: razorback-bert

I suspect there is iced tea involvement here.


11 posted on 04/04/2007 10:47:20 PM PDT by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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Anybody know what a carbon offset actually costs in dollars per whatever unit of CO2 produced?


12 posted on 04/04/2007 10:49:10 PM PDT by Walvoord
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To: conservative in nyc
Richard Campbell. GIM is strictly an investment firm that considers how eco-friendly corporations are in assessing long-term sustainability????????????????

This is strange. If you are an investment firm you sell something of value to a person in the form of stock. If you have sold them this stock the investor (AKA Al Gore) then has a stock or something of worth that he can then sell for money. If this is correct Al Gore did not buy carbon credits but invested in a company that will probably pay him a handsome return. Al Gore may be a raving left wing moon bat, but when it comes to his own personal money he is a Steve Forbes Capitalist.

13 posted on 04/04/2007 10:49:31 PM PDT by cpdiii (Pharmacist, Pilot, Geologist, Oil Field Trash and proud of it.)
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To: claudiustg
Yeah right, I’m going to buy “offsets”. These people sound like Amway.

Amway (formerly named) sold products, not global warming philosophy.

A 'carbon offset' is not a product at least not now, wake up.

14 posted on 04/04/2007 10:53:02 PM PDT by quantim (2008 => I'll take an imperfect winner over a perfect loser.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
But then why did Gore HIMSELF that he bought bought carbon offsets FROM this company?

I don't know for sure, but since we all should be doing our taxes around now, check for the line on Form 1040 that allows you to deduct your carbon offset costs. Still looking? I can't find it. Now, ask whether Generation Investment Management, a business, can deduct this as an ordinary and necessary business expense. I don't know. But, if they are, GIM IS essentially Al Gore, since Al Gore is a partner in GIM. So Al Gore gets to deduct what he otherwise wouldn't have been able to - assuming that GIM doesn't report the personal portion of the offset "fringe benefit" as income to Al Gore.

Remember - Al Gore's the man who gave something like $300 to charity one year when he was Vice President.
15 posted on 04/04/2007 11:00:28 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: JennysCool

Sweet tea!


16 posted on 04/04/2007 11:16:05 PM PDT by battlegearboat (And in certain Washington hotels as well.)
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To: quantim

Amway sold a pyramid recruiting scheme. The products were means, not an end.

These offsets appear to be not much more than indulgences, a promise of forgiveness and the implication of some offsetting good work.


17 posted on 04/04/2007 11:17:28 PM PDT by claudiustg (I curse you, Rudy of the Giuliani!)
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To: conservative in nyc

I, for the life of me, do not understand how this works. Somebody, somewhere is making a boatload of free money off of this and I want to know who.

And shake their hand, this is a great scam.


18 posted on 04/04/2007 11:18:17 PM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: claudiustg
Bless me Claudistg

Grant me some...

19 posted on 04/04/2007 11:19:22 PM PDT by battlegearboat (And in certain Washington hotels as well.)
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To: conservative in nyc
solar and wind power or for planting trees - so-called "carbon sinks" that remove carbon from the atmosphere.

That is just quackery. Neither solar nor wind power remove carbon from the atmosphere. Trees can, but they take many years to do it. And once they die, they release the carbon right back to the environment.

20 posted on 04/04/2007 11:21:14 PM PDT by Dave Olson
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To: conservative in nyc

This whole “carbon offset” thing sounds like the Liberal’s solution to dealing with all that guilt they carry around for existing as carbon-based beings in the first place. It’s a LOT of baloney.


21 posted on 04/04/2007 11:25:17 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: conservative in nyc; OKSooner; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

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22 posted on 04/04/2007 11:29:07 PM PDT by honolulugal
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I, for the life of me, do not understand how this works.

Algore has His company (GIM) pay someone (CarbonNeutral) to pay someone (the Solar Electric Lighting Company) to pay someone (probably to pay someone else) to (supposedly) replace a gas street lamp in rural India or Sri Lanka so that He can run gas lamps on His property without guilt.

Seriously
. I couldn't make that up if I wanted to. Algore outsourced the replacement of His gas lamp to India.

It TRULY is the First Goracle of Al: Feeding the multitude of climate change gurus by heating His outdoor pool and lighting His gas lamps. Gaia must be proud.
23 posted on 04/04/2007 11:29:51 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc
BS...A PLANET FULL OF IT!!
24 posted on 04/04/2007 11:30:40 PM PDT by Dallas59 (AL GORE STALKED ME ON 2/25/2007!)
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To: conservative in nyc; All
I really want to get in on this carbon credit thingee so badly, that I am thinking about trading my extremely rare and very valuable Barry Bonds rookie card for some of them:

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

25 posted on 04/04/2007 11:31:42 PM PDT by musicman
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To: Dave Olson
"I'm only here for a short while, come smoke a joint with me and I'll tell you about Divinity school diversions..."


26 posted on 04/04/2007 11:33:30 PM PDT by battlegearboat (And in certain Washington hotels as well.)
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To: musicman

ROTFLMAO!


27 posted on 04/04/2007 11:33:41 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: conservative in nyc

If Algore isn’t profiting from this “carbon offsets” scam, he’s even stupider than I thought he was.


28 posted on 04/04/2007 11:39:19 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: conservative in nyc

Why doesn’t it surprise me that a socialist is running a company that makes no profit.


29 posted on 04/04/2007 11:47:11 PM PDT by Fresno (Go Dogs!!!)
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To: AmishDude
I misspoke. It doesn't look like SELCO was replacing gas street lamps, but rather electrifying workers' houses a plantation by putting up solar panels, allowing the workers to get rid of kerosine lamps in their homes. It also sounds like the workers also needed to take a out a loan to participate in the program, at least in Sri Lanka. And the Sri Lanka project didn't appear to be very successful.
30 posted on 04/04/2007 11:52:42 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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Every time I hear about carbon offsets, Star Trek: The Movie comes to mind. I can see a bald headed Al Gore hoping to have some interstellar sex with the carbon units in a deluded attempt to become “at one” with the presidency.


31 posted on 04/05/2007 1:47:05 AM PDT by Walvoord
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To: conservative in nyc
The bottom line, is AlGore isn't investing tons of money into a company so he can lose money.

B'sides, with his investment in GOOGLE and that company's proven history of grabbing the ankles for the Chinese government, there is plenty of room to criticize him for sucking up to corporate fatcats and hypocrisy. :)

32 posted on 04/05/2007 1:49:43 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: conservative in nyc

So, Al Gore can’t even run a scam profitably? And he wants to be president?


33 posted on 04/05/2007 2:40:24 AM PDT by magslinger (Submission? That's a bit of a problem!)
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To: conservative in nyc
This whole scheme is starting to sound somewhat similar to what Enron got busted for.
34 posted on 04/05/2007 3:33:41 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: conservative in nyc
Now, ask whether Generation Investment Management, a business, can deduct this as an ordinary and necessary business expense. I don't know. But, if they are, GIM IS essentially Al Gore, since Al Gore is a partner in GIM.

That is a fine line that probably only some tax lawyers could figure out. Is Al Gore a customer purchasing his Partnership Companies Product ? Or is he investing funds into his Partnership Business ? Investment funds are treated much differently then product purchases, obviously. I have never even thought of buying my own companies products. Seems like the bookkeeping would eventually get all screwed up. I could see the potential of Gore artificially pumping up his sales figures through investing. Where are those lawyers that went after Enron when you need them ?

35 posted on 04/05/2007 3:51:30 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: claudiustg

“Amway sold a pyramid recruiting scheme. The products were means, not an end.”

That’s not true. At least not according to the FTC.


36 posted on 04/05/2007 4:36:01 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: conservative in nyc

Besides Islam, Carbon Credits are the biggest fraud ever established.


37 posted on 04/05/2007 4:40:51 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (A day in the country is better than a week in town.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

This whole Ponzi scheme smells like BS....

You called it...CO2 is CO2. In IMHO this is a scheme to tax breathing.


38 posted on 04/05/2007 4:43:29 AM PDT by chainsaw (We are going to take things away from you. - H. Clinton)
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To: conservative in nyc

Even if he’s not profiting, he’s certainly not cutting back on his piggishly large carbon footprint, either.


39 posted on 04/05/2007 4:45:33 AM PDT by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: conservative in nyc

Here’s how the scam works.

Al Gore buys credits from a company he partly owns.

99.9% of the money is used to pay salaries to employees, consulting fees to Al Gore, legal fees to Democrat operatives, and attack ads against GWB; .1% is invested in companies who plant trees.


40 posted on 04/05/2007 5:29:32 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: conservative in nyc

Wow, so he’s not even paying himself for his offsets.


41 posted on 04/05/2007 5:39:51 AM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: neverdem; xcamel; Buckhead; Eva
From the first article (Focusing on Gore, but mentioning Peter S. Knight, who was ALSO investigated for fraud while under Gore as campaign manager!):

The president of GIM’s U.S. operation is Peter S. Knight, who served as Gore’s chief of staff in the U.S. Senate and later as campaign manager for the Clinton-Gore reelection campaign in 1996.

From the second article (focusing on Maurice Strong, a Canadian politician now working for China, who pushed the first Earthday, the Rio enviro summit, and was under Kofi at the UN):

“Gore left a few facts out of his speech that day. First, the firm was run by Strong and a group of Gore intimates, including Peter Knight, the firm’s registered lobbyist, and Gore’s former top Senate aide,” wrote EIR.

“Second, the company had received more than $25 million in U.S. Department of energy (DOE) research and development grants, but had failed to prove that the technology worked on a commercial scale. The company would go on to receive another $8 million in federal taxpayers’ cash, at that point, its only source of revenue.

er (This company went on the pull an ENRON manager’s trick: with the owners/president selling their stock before announcing the DOE was pulling its funding, thus killing the value of everybody else’s stock...)

But, of course, NO MSM reporter actually wants to report (they really don't even need to investigate!) the financial links of Gore, Knight, Strong, Kofi Annon, Hillary, Dean, and Soros....

42 posted on 04/05/2007 6:44:01 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Dave Olson

Oh my God, trees are dying, I didn’t know!

Save the TREES!

We must shut down the NYT to save paper, which saves the trees.


43 posted on 04/05/2007 7:14:41 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Posted by Time's Man of the Year)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Exactly.

It’s a Ponzi scheme.


44 posted on 04/05/2007 8:18:29 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: conservative in nyc

Honey, if Al’s company ain’t profiting then are they a philanthropy?


45 posted on 04/05/2007 9:14:21 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: conservative in nyc
Take a look at this article: BP targets green consumers with carbon-offset scheme for drivers

BP is as phoney as Al Gore about environmentalism. I know this is true from personal experience. Before the EXXON Valdez spill in the Prince William Sound, my husband was the environmental advisor for ARCO Marine. He spent a year in Alaska, trying to convince BP (they manage everything up there)and EXXON that they were unprepared for a major spill and that statistics showed that they were over due for an incident. BP officials told him that he was STUPID, that they had no intention of spending ANY money on oil spill preparedness in Alaska because they had already spent more than they wanted to in the North Sea. When my husband stood up at a meeting and told everyone that the Oil Spill Contingency plans of EXXON and BP were nothing but paper tigers, the BP executive took out a newspaper and opened it in front of his face and continued to read the newspaper for the rest of my husband's little speech. My husband had written the only oil spill contingency plan in force and approved by the state of Alaska at the time of the spill. So, to prove his point, my husband ran an oil spill drill which closely approximated the actual Valdez spill, six months before the occurrence. In the aftermath of the spill, BP officials threatened to destroy my husband in open court if he testified against them. They convinced ARCO that it was their responsibility and in their best interests to make sure that my husband did not testify against them, and then BP subpoened his computer. ARCO sent a team of lawyers to work with my husband to prepare him to give a deposition that would not harm BP or EXXON. They worked with him for eight hours a day for two weeks before the deposition. What no one knew is that my husband had two notebooks full of documentation of every meeting and phone conversation that he had with BP and EXXON officials. He still has them. I'm wondering if those notebooks might be worth some money to someone. I don't take kindly to anyone threatening my husband.

46 posted on 04/05/2007 9:15:12 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Loyal Buckeye
Al Gore buys credits from a company he partly owns.

That's not what happened. Algore does not own CarbonNeutral. Algore's company bought offsets from CarbonNeutral for Algore's business and personal activities.

99.9% of the money is used to pay salaries to employees, consulting fees to Al Gore, legal fees to Democrat operatives, and attack ads against GWB; .1% is invested in companies who plant trees.

More like 77% (though no consulting fees to Al Gore). And the money that ultimately trickled down into the field was likely invested in solar lighting in rural areas of India and Sri Lanka.
47 posted on 04/05/2007 10:39:41 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; curiosity

If Hillery is a carpetbagger, so Al Gore is a scalawag. It makes no difference.

Public education and the MSM are abject disasters. The latter’s obsession with polling doesn’t inform the voters. The sheeple are too ignorant!

Just a rant. The news of late infuriates me.


48 posted on 04/05/2007 12:58:09 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: conservative in nyc

Hold on a second. If I want to consume more energy I pay the electric, water and gas company for that priviledge.

If a government doesn’t want me to consume more energy, they tax the utility wh charges me more.

Why is anyone else involved in this? Carbon offsets appears to be a big ponzi scheme with the Al Gores of the world at the top.

Maybe it is time for an investigation and to find out who is running these pump & dump schemes.


49 posted on 04/05/2007 1:45:08 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The Clintons: A Malignant Malfeasance of the Most Morbid)
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To: conservative in nyc
So who sells carbon offsets and where do they invest the money?

This is where Al Gore steps in.

50 posted on 04/05/2007 3:49:08 PM PDT by X-FID ( too early ?)
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