Hey! Y'all know the rules!
Posted on 04/02/2007 12:33:08 PM PDT by A. Pole
I don’t know about that. I lived in Kyiv, the spouse of a Soviet citizen, and travelled through a lot of Ukraine and Russia. Even in the pre Gorbachev days, there were plenty of political discussions (in “safe” territory), and the lid blew open in the late 1980’s.
Are you aware that Ukrainian constitution allows the dissolution of Parliament only in three cases? 1. When no parliamentary majority can be formed. 2. when no government is formed for a specified period of time. 3. when Parliament does not perform its duties for more than 30 days.
Which of these three cases applies?
But the issue appears to be that the Rada is completely deadlocked and unable to agree with a course of action.
The reverse is true. Rada was not only deadlocked but was getting more efficient and powerful. The ruling coalition was growing to the point that it was going to be able to block presidential veto.
The last the REAL reason for declaring dissolution. Since the article 90 of the Ukrainian Constitution allows dissolution in cases of lack of majority coalition, lack of formed government or the non-functioning of Rada the presidential decree has no more ground that same act done in USA toward the Congress.
But can these 3 reasons be the only ones? I'm sure there's an underlying quality in the Constitution calling for the basic law to observed, not just these 3 totally arbitrary conditions. If the Parliament/Congress does something stupid or illegal, our system has a president and the Supreme Court to check it. Obviously this Ukrainian president feels that something illegal took place, so next step is their Supreme Court.
This crisis is absolutely fascinating. It's like watching a car crash. :)
There are no others, not in the Constitution. And if they were, the President would surely invoke them.
I'm sure there's an underlying quality in the Constitution calling for the basic law to observed, not just these 3 totally arbitrary conditions.
These 3 conditions are not arbitrary, they are parts of the Ukrainian Constitution.
If the Parliament/Congress does something stupid or illegal, our system has a president and the Supreme Court to check it.
Like dissolving US Congress by the Presidential decree?
Obviously this Ukrainian president feels that something illegal took place, so next step is their Supreme Court.
What are the feelings of the Ukrainian president should not be relevant in such case and should not be used as a justification for coup d'etat. BTW, it is Parliament who demanded the Supreme Court to look into it. Yushchenko said that the case is closed.
Hey! Y'all know the rules!
I don't see the following little "what if" scenarios ever happening in mature democracies like US, but it makes you wonder if President should have the possibility to dissolve it:
- Congress in 24 hours, without proper procedures and simply by majority - outlaws the other party, cancels a number of amendments, Bill of Rights and dissolves the seat of the president. Head of State becomes Speaker of the House.
- Congress, all by itself, decides to abolish the Supreme Court.
- Infinitude of cases where legislative could impose itself and take the roles of the executive - Speaker Pelosi goes to the Middle East, converts to Islam and pledges to surrender all American interests in the region. Or how about Congress declaring Pelosi Commander-in-Chief.
- Ever seen "Body Snatchers"? What if all 100 Senators become zombies? :) Ahhh, Never thought of that, did you?
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She is enough to tempt Prince Yaroslav back from the dead.
What kind of gov. is this? How do they have a PM and a President?
Yes, same as in Poland, Israel or Germany (where PM is called chancellor).
So now those who tell us we should not tell the Russians how to run their “democracy” turn around and and try to tell Ukraine how to run hers. That’s rich.
I am sure that if Putin runs for the third term you will be the first to object on constitutional ground.
Can he come to American and teach Bush how to do this?
And I do believe that's Laura Ingraham on the left.
Julia is rich but not conservative at all.
Doggone it! I did not realize that she was at CPAC! I would have made sure to have gone. Laura Ingraham is fluent in Russian as I understand it. As to Tom Delay on the right, I do not think so.
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