Posted on 03/29/2007 1:10:13 PM PDT by joan
28.3.2007 16:10 SREBRENICA, (Tanjug) - Advisor in the Belgrade Documents Center for Investigating Crimes Against Serbs, Strahinja Zivak, has said that the Center has processed documents and gathered data proving that a total of 3,262 Serbs were killed by Muslims in the region of Srebrenica, Bratunac and the neighborhood from 1992 - 93.
ping
remember, it's a religion of peace
Bump for the truth!!
Little late for the Serbs, though, huh?
By the same folks who produced the casualty count from the Bosnian war which laid to rest the 250k number.
Dude, the lie of 250 000 dead Bosnian Muslims was debunked by ICTY team and presented in an international conference in Oslo, Norway. The casualty on all four sides was 103 000. Muslim casualties were augmented TENFOLD. I wonder how they call Joy Division in "Bosnian" language? (shupak merakliya, perhaps). Did they tell you?
The ICTY team arrived at 102,666 (Ewa Tabeau & Jacub Bijak, “War-related Deaths in the 1992–1995 Armed Conflicts in Bosnia and Herzegovina: A Critique of Previous Estimates and Recent Results”)
The Research and Documentation Center in Sarajevo arrived at 102,000.
The difference between the two is that you can access the Research and Documentation Center's work without having to fork over the $32 required for the Tabeau/Bijak report.
Dare not I ask how they they were funded or equipped...the answer would be to shameful to read!
An ICTY press briefing dated 6 July 2005 noted that the number of Serb deaths in the region alleged by the Serbian authorities had increased from 1400 to 3500, a figure the ICTY stated "just does not reflect the reality." Honor those who lost lives, don't compromise them with your lies. http://www.un.org/icty/briefing/2005/PB050706.htm
When I hear these revisionists trying to diminish the Srebrenica genocide, words of Dobrica Cosic, former Yugoslav president, a Serb, come to my mind: “We lie to deceive ourselves, to console others; we lie for mercy, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our and somebody else’s misery. We lie for love and honesty. We lie because freedom. The lie is the trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate smartness. We lie creatively, imaginatively, inventively.”
Oh please apply the barf alert to your post, we are shooting for accuracy here. Quoting Dobrica Cosic about Bosnia is like quoting Murtha about Iraq.
Jasenovac was a true genocide - civilians, women, children and babies - were tortured and murdered.
An exaggerated amount of head-cutting military Muslims who died during a war is not genocide.
Plus many of the allegedly genocided men are living in Tuzla, Sarajevo, U.S. cities and other places.
Several thousands of Bosnian Muslim men, including the military, were pouring into Tuzla within the weeks following the "fall" of Srebrenica.
The Muslims ordered their men and military out before there was even fighting, which enabled the Serbs to just walk in - to a trap. With them blamed for separating men and women which had ALREADY happened according to UN and the Bosnian Muslim military command left in Srebrenica. Everything was set up for evacuation due to some prearranged plan.
You're only making a fool of yourself.
Refer to ICTY findings about who the victims of Srebrenica genocide were. If you believe in courts that is.
Genocide happen in Jasenovac. May those people rest in peace.
The figure of executed Srebrenica Muslims is not exaggerated. The identities of around 4,000 have already been confirmed by DNA, i.e. scientifically, no conspiracy involved. An international commission that does the identifications has confirmed that it can now say with certainty that around 8,000 Srebrenica Muslims were killed during the June 1995 massacre.
Yes, they were pouring into Tuzla. Thousands of them, except for those 8,000 who were hunted down, ambushed, killed and whose remains are still in mass graves in and around Srebrenica. And yes, according to a "prearranged plan".
P.S. Revisionists make me sick.
"Thousands of them, except for those 8,000 who were hunted down, ambushed, killed and whose remains are still in mass graves in and around Srebrenica."
I would like to think tha they were hunted down and killed, they deserved it, unfortunately that is not the case and you can credit some of those body counts as being a result of muslim infighting. You can blather on about 8,000 and squak like a parrot, between you and Hoplite its nothing more then counting all the droppings on the newspaper at the bottom of the cage.
English is probably not your first language. You've completely missed the actual meaning of Cosic's words on top of taking them completely out of context.
Some have even gone as far as quoting just the last sentence in order to make their ridiculous claims re. Bosnia appear more believable.
Also, there were noted skirmishes and fights along the way - so battle deaths.
The court has never given names along with autopsies which therefore doesn't show who and how any died.
The ICTY is funded by the U.S. and other NATO countries with an interest in proving the propaganda.
Over 3,300 of the alleged missing showed up on voter lists in Tuzla in 1996.
As soon as the voter lists with the names of the alleged missing Srebrenica men was publicized the list was locked up.
It appears the Bosnian government and the ICTY do not want anything that diverges from their propaganda.
Additionally some of those who "confessed" to killing were ethnic CROATS from Tuzla.
Drazen Erdemovic is an ethnic Croat who initially joined the Muslim army, then went with the Croats, then claimed he joined the Serbs. However the group he was with was initially only composed of Croats and Muslims, only later were there Serbs - Serbs from the French Foreign Legion. And it appears the group was paid by France.
There is no evidence that they were paid by the Serbs at all, so no evidence that they were even working for the Serbs.
So, whose dirty work were they doing if they were paid by France? I thought I’d ask.
I suspect they are doing the dirty work of the international community/internationalists who start wars for various agendas - whether over African resources, the Balkans agenda, war profiteering, etc.
"Yes, they were pouring into Tuzla. Thousands of them, except for those 8,000 who were hunted down, ambushed, killed and whose remains are still in mass graves in and around Srebrenica. "
"hunted down, ambushed, killed"
Shows you how much you know, mile. The ICTY - Ruez , their expert witness Butler, etc -both admitted that the deaths from the fighting were completely legitimate. Completely.
Or maybe you think that if an entire division strikes deep into enemy territory, the opposing side aren't allowed to fire back.
http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/a-list/2003w40/msg00119.htm
In November 1999, members of an assassination squad, code-named "Spider," were arrested in Yugoslavia. According to Minister Goran Matic, "French intelligence was behind" the Spider group, whose aim was the assassination of President Milosevic. Planned scenarios included a sniper attack, planting an explosive device alongside a route they expected Milosevic to travel, planting an explosive in his car, and organizing 10 trained commandos to storm the presidential residence. The leader of the group, Jugoslav Petrusic, had dual Yugoslav and French citizenship. Matic claimed that Petrusic worked for French intelligence for ten years. During interrogations, Petrusic said that he had killed 50 men on orders by French intelligence. Matic announced that one of the members of Spider was a "specialist for killings with a truck full of sand" - the same method used against Draskovic the previous month.
Following the Bosnian war, Petrusic organized the transport of 180 Bosnian Serb mercenaries to fight for Mobutu Sese Seku in Zaire, an affair that was managed by French intelligence. According to a Bosnian Serb businessman, Petrusic "did not hide the fact that he was working for the French intelligence service. I have personally seen a photo of him next to Mitterrand as his bodyguard." In younger days, Petrusic was a member of the French Foreign Legion. During NATO's war against Yugoslavia, the Spider group infiltrated the Yugoslav Army, supplying information to the French and guiding NATO warplanes to their targets.
Yugoslav secret service sources revealed that the Spider group trained at NATO bases in Bosnia where "buildings resembling those where Milosevic lives were constructed." Money from the French intelligence service for Spider was brought to the border between Hungary and Yugoslavia by a man named Serge Lazarevic. (8)
Denying what happened at Srebrenica is now only an option for the ignorant or the willfully deceptive.
Take your pick.
Serbs did not catch thousands, but only hundreds, and they were put in prisons and hospitals, which visited by the Red Cross withing the following weeks and months and eventually released.
Simply put, Joan, you lie shamelessly.
Most of the 8,000 besides the 3,000+....killed who were combatants....were sent to Kosovo to stir up more of the BS and support the lies that Cohen said about the 100,000 massacred, or was it later the 10,000, or the 2,108 bodies they actually found...of which 22 was a mass grave of Serbs murdered. They are lying out of their butts about Kosovo. My country is doing a very bad thing.............and have assisted the murder of Serbs since 1999 by not focusing on the actual perps...supporting the Independence...helping Albania Mafia...(Ceku, Ramush, and Thaqi...Xhavet Haliti...the list goes on...........
You believe everything you read? Explain the details of the fight for Srebrinica that led to those poor lost muslim souls to die. If you dig into the details, you learn and will know where the majority of those dead came from.
Yes, there were revenge killings on a very small scale in retribution for the dead Serb villagers that Orics gang committed. That is a given, even US Soldiers have done it in previous years.
But yet the entire site is presented as POWs massacred by Serbs.
They bury all soldiers from the war there and include civilians who died before the war and some after, like in 1996.
Due to creation of false picture of big number of innocent muslim victims, remains of soldiers and other civilians were transported from various locations and again ritually buried at Potočari. Several hundreds of individuals are included in this kind of public betrayal.Here are dozen particular examples. In the first inhumation at march the 31st 2003, body of Hamed(Hamid) Halilović (1940-1982) was moved from local Srebrenica mezarje Kazani and buried again in Potočari. As it can be seen, it's a person who has died 20 years before the war. During the fourth inhumation, bodies of one soldier died in war and one civilian, who died before the war, was also moved from Kazani to Potočari. They are Osman (Ibro) Halilović (1912-1989) and Nurija (Smajo) Memišević (1966-1993). During the fifth inhumation at July 11th, four persons were buried again: Salih (Šaban) Alić (1969-1992), Mujo (Hašim) Hadžić (1954-1993), Ferid (Ramo) Mustafić (1975-1993), Hajrudin (Ismet) Cvrk (1974-1992)
4. It isn't known for one group of BH Army soldiers, buried in Potočari, when and where they died, and where they were buried before, but it is certain that they are not victims of "Srebrenica massacre" from July 1995. They died before November 1993, when the decree of social care and housing of their families was written.
The group included soldiers of BH Army: Čerimović (Mustafa) Mujo 12.04. 1938, Sejbočina-Vlasenica; Hasanović (Mujo) Hamed 9.07. 1966 ; Malić (Ibrahim) Ramiz – 1970, Here-Vlasenica; Omerović (Nurko) Nurija – 1953. Urković-Bratunac; Hasim (Ćamil) Selimović 1959; Ramiz (Suljo) Alić 1942, Jusuf (Safet ) Osmanović 1947; Ramiz (Hakija) Alić 1979, Munib (Mujo) Alić 1962; Jusuf (Juso) Omerović 1962; Meho (Mehmed) Osmanović 1942, Sead (Osman) Salkić 1960; Safet (Šaban) Korkutović 1960; Omerović (Habib) Aziz 1.5. 1965 Sikirić-Bratunac.
5. The names of several hundreds soldiers died before march the 7th 1994. were noted at the document for the Chronicle of BH Army, that we've mentioned before. In this case also, it's not about victims of some execution or soldiers died at battle for Srebrenica in July 1995. Here are for illustration several dozens of names, some from the brigades of 8 operative group, and then from 28. division of BH Army. They are: Mujuć (Rizvan) Ibro – 1952, Sućeska, Srebrenica; Mehmed (Meho) Hodžić – 1960; Hafizović...
http://www.sina.org.yu/magazin-vest.php?id=30297
It's pretty simple really. PROBLEM NUMBER ONE
They claim the 6,000 or so gave up in the first day or so of there attempt to make it to Tuzla in the column. They were trapped behind the Konjevic Polje to Nova Kasaba road and after some pretty one sided ambushes and accurate shelling gave themselves up in the 1,000's. Now here's the problem.
It was only the SECOND half of the column that was trapped behind the Konjevic Polje to Nova Kasaba road . The FIRST half of the column had already made it accross the Konjevic Polje to Nova Kasaba road before the VRS had had time to seal it
Now the SECOND half of the column was made up entirely of CIVILIANS from Srebrenica - with the exception of remnants of the 282nd Brigade. The 28th was in the lead and they didn't get caught behind the road. So, according to the ICTY and the Dutch report - i.e. the official line on Srebrenica - it was only civilians who gave themselves up to the VRS.
So care to explain this little fact.
The ABiH admit to losing 40% casualties in the attempt to get to Tuzla so how did they get these casualties?
Also bear in mind that the soldiers of the 28th division had intention of surrendering. None at all. There are literally 100's of statements from them saying they'd rather die than surrender. Indeed their kamikaze attacks on dug in VRS armor bear that out.
During July 95 in the Prodrinje area, the ABiH were trying to listen in on the VRS communications - for the trials of Krle they added some awfully, painfully, cringe making fake smoking gun statements to incriminate Krle and Blagojevic and Jokic trials -
Anyway, back at the ranch, they somehow picked up some French being spoken. The prosecution have no answer for this and Butler admitted he was baffled by this. However it ties in perfectly with what the VRS have claimed about the 10th SD and Erdemovic and the French
J'accuse
He claimed he was a VRS soldier but had no idea what his salary was. He then claimed that a guy came up to him and his mates, told them he was a colonel, gave them some gold and then said "kill those POWs"
Now Erdemovic admitted that just a couple of days before he'd been given both verbal and written orders to obey the Geneva Convention.
The guy also spent time in a loooooooooney bin
Hollywood wouldn't accept this nonsense.
Another supposed star witness, a Momir Nikolic of the BLIB also testified that the VRS was massacring 1,000's of POWs too.
Guess what?
Yep, he'd spent time in a looooooooooooony bin too.
What is it with the ICTY and their Srebrenica witnesses?
Good for a laugh I guess
It works this way - the more you convince yourself of the soundness of your arguments and denials, the less relevant you become and the lower on the IQ chart you place yourself.
In short, you can't win, and will only make an ass of yourself by trying. The records of the VRS, witness statements, and physical evidence culled from all the primary, secondary, and tertiary mass graves are overwhelming, leaving no hope whatsoever of your prevailing with your idiot denials and selective misrepresentation of fact.
Jolly good.
Can, but as when confronted with a halfwit who goes on about the Leuchter Report and typhus epidemics, why should one bother to muster up anything but contempt when faced with similarly constructed denials regarding Srebrenica?
Considering you've missed out on the transition from "It didn't happen" to "It wasn't my client's fault" in Srebrenica related defence arguments at the Hague and International Court of Justice, your whole argument is about 7 years behind the times and is so much recycled garbage at this point.
I see.
Key Srebrenica Witness Admits Lying
"You needed to give him [the prosecutor] something he did not have, right?" said Michael Karnavas, defending. "You wanted to limit your time of imprisonment to 20 years, that was part of the arrangement, yes? Quid pro quo?"Nikolic admitted he had lied, "I did not tell the truth when I said that. Afterwards I said I had made a mistake, I had lied.
"I apologise. All I can do is confess and say that discussing the crime is a very difficult situation to be in."
"I think we should call it for what it is, a bald faced lie," said Karnavas.
"I'm still a little bit confused," the American lawyer continued. "How is it that you thought by admitting to one of the most horrendous executions in this area, that this would help you in getting the kind of sentence that you are hoping and praying for?"
"I wanted the agreement to succeed," responded Nikolic. His original statement to prosecutors included testimony that while at Kravica, he had observed the involvement of another war crimes suspect, former army officer Ljubomir Borovcanin, in the killing.
He has now told the court that although he was not present, he was certain that Borovcanin had been there.
"You implicated Borovcanin in your falsehood in order to make your story more convincing, so that the prosecutor would buy it?" said Karnavas. "You needed to give him [the prosecutor] some more facts to sweeten the deal - that's why you provided false information about Kravica?"
He went on to ask Nikolic whether he had lied so as to make his story impressive enough for prosecutors to offer him a plea-bargain deal. "Your lawyers had a laundry list of factors that the prosecutor was expected to agree to," said Karnavas.
BTTT
The mass graves which have yielded thousands and thousands of Srebrenica related execution victims still wearing blindfolds and ligatures don't require any of the perpetrators to confess in order to be understood - the evidence speaks for itself to all but those like you who have chosen to lie and deny rather than face the facts.
Any particular body they describe with ligatures or blindfolds they do not identify or name, nor do they have Muslim names along with an autopsy report for the body.
They use the bodies of Serbs killed by Muslims against Serbs.
There were definitely some Muslims who were killed in combat.
There's no distinguishing Muslims who died in combat from possible execution, this is meant to exaggerate the numbers for propaganda.
The pictures of dead Serbs, named, and more fresh from Muslim kills show a lot of butchery and mutilation, and often burning.
Since we bitch-slapped the Bosnian Serbs into giving up the locations of the remaining undiscovered Srebrenica-related mass graves in 2004, and the Podrinje Identification Project has identified over 4,000 individuals gone missing from Srebrenica through DNA analysis of remains exhumed from Srebrenica related mass graves, all you have left is mindless regurgitation of what you've vomited up previously in your attempts to whitewash the Srebrenica genocide.
It's as boring as it is stupid.
Identifying people from other places where the Muslims had a military base, such as Zepa. They include in the identified list those soldiers who fell in Zepa as well in your number of identified. Not just Srebrenica. And they include soldiers who died during the war, before July 1995.
Per UN report on the fall of Srebrenica, the total number of missing from Zepa was 118.
You're such an incompetent liar you can't even be bothered to check to see if your lies are plausible in the first place.
The guy was a regular Walter Mitty, he lived in a bizarre cuckoo land world. He was implicated in a massive fraud after the war, he was detested, and I mean DETESTED by his men. They beat the shit out of him so badly he had to go to hospital for several months.
His testimony was at odds with previous statements he'd made, contradicted other prosecution witnesses and made absolutely no sense at all.
His testimony was sooooooo bad. It started of funny, became hysterical and finally you felt a tinge of sympathy for the liar.
Just a tinge mind.
"The mass graves which have yielded thousands and thousands of Srebrenica related execution victims still wearing blindfolds and ligatures"
Thousands of the Muslim bodies had blindfolds and ligatures?
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Here's a clue, Hoplite, because you're such a good sport.
Ambush, artillery, starvation, infighting, mass suicides, mines
Surely you can join the dots now.
"thousands and thousands of Srebrenica related execution victims still wearing blindfolds and ligatures"
Boy that's funny. Even by your lofty standards.
You're on a roll.
""The mass graves which have yielded thousands and thousands of Srebrenica related execution victims still wearing blindfolds and ligatures"
You wrote it dummkopf , now produce the evidence , schmuck-o-lite-o-brians , of " thousands of Srebrenica related execution victims still wearing blindfolds and ligatures"
Unless you provide the appropriate evidence you'll be for ever known as "Mr Hoppy liar liar pants on fire Lite"
Yes, it's that serious
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