Hagee draws AIPAC cheers (with links to speech on You Tube)

JTA ^ | 3/12/07

[dervish]

A fiery pro-Israel speech by an evangelical preacher drew multiple standing ovations from thousands of AIPAC delegates. Pastor John Hagee, who last year founded Christians United for Israel, spoke Sunday night at the launch of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s annual policy forum in Washington.

Hagee outlined his vision of a united evangelical-Jewish front lobbying for Israel. He pledged to "stand up for Israel, to financially support Israel until Israel achieves a just, lasting peace. Israel, you are not alone." He finished his speech by leading the crowd in a chorus of "Israel Lives!"

PART I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRxmqOn7x4&eurl=

PART II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7p7o4f4Asg&eurl=

PART III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt5Urh7Ctzw&eurl=

Part I, 5:00 - "It is 1938 Iran is Germany and Ahmadinejad is the new Hitler"

Dr. Hagee apologizes for historical Christian anti-Semitism in Part III, 1:00.

[TommyDale]

John Hagee speaks for more for the Religious Right than the liberals would like us to hear about.

[dervish]

John Hagee at AIPAC

[tkathy]

Hagee really gets what islamofascism is about

[Mr. Mojo]

Hagee really gets what islamofascism is about

And he's not afraid to express it.

[BARLF]

Who coined the term "Religious Right"?

I am a sinner saved by the grace of God.

Calling those who believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and follow the teaching of the Holy Bible "Religious Right" seems to imply fanaticism. IMHO

I'm not taking issue with you for using the term......Just wondering how the tern got started and by whom.

[HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath]

He is one of the more interesting preachers on TBN.

[BARLF]

Excuse please, tern meant to be term.

[TommyDale]

The term "Religious Right" refers to the conservative voting block of Christian Evangelicals. They tend to vote pro-life, anti homosexual marriages, etc. I would guess that the drive by media coined the term. It is not fanaticism, just an organized political arm of the conservatives. Think of it as the "Moral Majority" and "Christian Coalition" combined with other faith based political organizations such as the Family Research Center, etc.

[100-Fold_Return]

Calling those who believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and follow the teaching of the Holy Bible "Religious Right" seems to imply fanaticism. IMHO

Exactomundo! It's a label made up by the MSM to analyze, compartmentalize and criticize the "silent majority."

Being driving all over town and still haven't found, "The Evangelical Church of God," of Christ, or this or that....

[dervish]

Dr. Hagee says 50 million strong.

links in proper format:


PART I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRxmqOn7x4&eurl=


PART II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7p7o4f4Asg&eurl=


PART III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt5Urh7Ctzw&eurl=

[BARLF]

I agree with you.

Well said, Thank you.

[radar101]

I thought I recognized the voice of the cheerleader:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

[streetpreacher]

Too bad Hagee doesn't obey the Jewish dietary laws. The guy's going to go to hell for being a glutton unless his adultery and greed sends him there first.

[LS]

Yep. His books on Israel and Armageddon are pretty good.

[WalterSkinner]

..John Hagee is an important voice--but I do not agree with the "dual covenant" teaching he embraces.

It is not loving and supporting Israel to suggest more than one path to heaven apart from her Messiah...

[TommyDale]

"...his adultery and greed ..."

Say what? Are you making a charge against this man here? I challenge you to produce one iota of evidence to back up your libelous statement.

[balch3]

Pastor Hagee is a wonderful man.

[MARKUSPRIME]

I love John Hagee. He's no fake.

[TommyDale]

You made a very vicious and serious claim here. We are waiting for either proof of your claim, or an apology before I send your quote to Dr. Hagee and his attorneys.

[Mat_Helm]

Bump

[streetpreacher]

Hagee left his last church (Trinity) in San Antonio (before Cornerstone) refusing church discipline. He abandoned his wife and two kids from his first marriage for a 23 year old member of his last church (Hagee was 35 at the time). He admitted in a letter to his congregation that he committed immorality. It's public knowledge. The man has no credibility when it comes to preaching about family, marriage, commitment, etc.

The Other Gospel of John Hagee, http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm

That there are moral and ethical concerns with Hagee and a serious question as to his being biblically qualified as a pastor and teacher are not the main issues of this article. However, one very important factor should be noted. The Liberty Flame reported in May 1994 that during the time when Hagee was serving the Charismatic congregation at Trinity Church (1976) in San Antonio, he divorced his wife, resigned and married a young woman in the congregation, Diana Castro. Custody of Hagee’s two children by his ex-wife, Martha, went to her.

In a letter to the church, Hagee admitted immorality, which later became part of the court records in the custody battle. Martha later also remarried and started another family. Not surprisingly, there is a hiatus from 1976 to 1987 left out of Hagee’s web site biography.

Neither does he have any credibility when it comes to preaching about gluttony, but I've sure seen him do it, and that judgmentally.

He also teaches that Jews don't need Jesus as their Saviour (someone tell that to the poor misguided apostles) and that those who teach replacement theology (which I don't agree with) are carrying "Hitler's anointing".

He's a false teacher.

Of course, he teaches the "God wants you to be rich by sowing a seed in my ministry" Prosperity scam.

Then there's this:

Financial Controversy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

In 2003, the San Antonio Express-News reported that, in 2001 alone, John Hagee had received over 1.25 million dollars in total compensation for his position as CEO at his non-profit corporation, Global Evangelism Television (GETV). This made him one of the highest-paid televangelists in 2001 [8].

According to the Form 990 that GETV filed for tax year 2003, Hagee received almost a million dollars in compensation for his work for GETV that year, which amounted to approximately 16 hours per week [9]. (The GETV Board of Directors, which determines his pay, consisted of John Hagee himself, his wife, his son, and a Cornerstone Church member.) However, because he claimed that he worked "80 hours a week" writing books, singing songs, meeting international dignitaries and answering the call to preach the word of God, John Hagee argued: "I deserve every dime I'm getting". Other observers, including many evangelical Christians, criticize Hagee's handling of finances [10]. Considering his combined pay from both donor-supported ministries (his separate church and TV ministries), his pay has been over 1 million per year.

[dervish]

That is a very ugly remark. I suggest you withdraw and apologize.

[streetpreacher]

Have fun with that. I guess he'd have to sue thousands who are standing in line in front of me.

[Cecily]

Found via Google search:


http://spm1313.blogspot.com/search/label/John%20Hagee


Dual covenant heresy:

http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm

[streetpreacher]

Apologize for what? Telling the truth. Hagee should try it sometime.

[Sue Perkick]

Excuse me?

[Sue Perkick]

That's the one area where I disagree with him as well.

[Augustinian monk]

"Libelous statement"- How about this for a libelous statement: In one of his books, Countdown to Armageddon, he stated that Martin Luther was to blame for the Holocaust.

[TommyDale]

Personal Freedom Outreach and Wikipedia. Ah, yes. Definite solid resources, those two.

[Sue Perkick]

And you & the thousands who beat you to the counter are basing these allegations on.......what?

[streetpreacher]

Read post #22. They're not allegations. They are substantiated facts and are part of the public record.

[streetpreacher]

Go ahead and shoot the messenger then. Makes you look trite.

Hank Hannegraff and the Christian Research Institute have covered Hagee extensively in the past as well as have countless others. Go ahead and Google and take your pick of the source that doesn't offend your sensibilities. There's certainly plenty to choose from.

[streetpreacher]

He also "prophesied" that Peres would be elected Prime Minister after the death of Rabin only to see it go to Netanyahu.

He must have those Pat Robertson headaches.

[streetpreacher]

Well, to Hagee, Jews aren't sinners saved by the grace of God. They're righteous kept by observing the Torah.

[montag813]

John Hagee speaks for more for the Religious Right than the liberals would like us to hear about.

They want to focus on homo free-huggers like Ted Haggard, terrorist appeasers like Rick Warren, or watered-down phonies like Joel Osteen.

[streetpreacher]

We are waiting for either proof of your claim, or an apology before I send your quote to Dr. Hagee and his attorneys.

LOL. "Dr." Hagee. Another one of Hagee's lies. The man has no doctorate.

[montag813]

He also teaches that Jews don't need Jesus as their Saviour

Falwell and others have said they agree with this "Dual Covenant", which maintains that the Jewish people has a special relationship to God through the revelation at Sinai and therefore does not need "to go through Christ or the Cross" to get to heaven.

(someone tell that to the poor misguided apostles)

Remember that Peter insisted that heathens must first become Jews before they could accept Christ. He lost out to Paul (and James) on that in the end, of course.

All very interesting.

[dervish]

Why don't YOU try telling the truth.

Your problem with Hagee is not about the "truth," or "adultery," etc.

You said: "He admitted in a letter to his congregation that he committed immorality."

"Admitted" means he told the truth.

No, your problem with him lies in your first link "The Other Gospel of John Hagee," and in your post #35, ie: his position on Jews and salvation.

If this thread is not to your liking, go away. You are the reason that many Jews and their organizations have shunned Christian support. You are the reason that many Jews vote Democratic. Jews are not looking for your preaching, street or otherwise.

[dervish]

"The man has no doctorate"

You're not much of a truth teller.

Dr Hagee has several honorary doctorates - the first from Oral Roberts University in 1989.

[streetpreacher]

How much did it cost to buy one of those papermill doctorates from dear brother Oral?

As I said, the man has no doctorate. He's a fraud.

[TommyDale]

You seem to harbor a lot of hatred toward Dr. Hagee. Unless you are perfect, I would suggest you be careful about who you attack. If your claims are true, and I have some serious doubts, how do you know Hagee hasn't repented and sought forgiveness? Or is he required to come to you for that? As far as his doctorate, a lot of ministers now have doctorates, as a result of ongoing education. I know one who has a doctorate and didn't even graduate from high school. So what?
You are no better than he is.

[indylindy]

He is wonderful. I really like him.

[TommyDale]

"They want to focus on homo free-huggers like Ted Haggard, terrorist appeasers like Rick Warren, or watered-down phonies like Joel Osteen."

They would like the entire Christian movement to just go away.

[streetpreacher]

Has Hagee publicly repented? Did he submit to the church discipline process? No, instead he married the girl he was adulterating with. That's repentance? The man is not qualified to pastor any one.

Are you saying that a Christian should not be troubled by one who claims to be Christ's messenger and then blatantly misrepresents and distorts His teachings? Are you a Christian?

As far as running away from your love fest, I don't think so. I will continue to shine the light on frauds such as Hagee much to your chagrin.

[TommyDale]

"Go ahead and shoot the messenger then. Makes you look trite."

No, it makes you look unforgiving and judgmental.

[streetpreacher]

A lot of ministers' so-called "doctorates" aren't worth the paper they're printed on. I could buy one tomorrow.

[montag813]

Financial Controversy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

You conveniently left out the 3rd paragraph from Wikipedia:

Hagee said he was certain his finances complied with requirements of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) because he hired tax lawyers and accountants to make sure that his books complied with tax laws. Hagee said, 'We want a set of books so that when the IRS comes in here and looks they'll say, those people are clean'", Hagee said. "And I am waiting for the day that the IRS is going to come look at our books. I have spent a chunk of money waiting for them"

People on FR who selectively quote are generally not trustworthy.

[TommyDale]

I think the same could be said of your credentials.

[streetpreacher]

You seem to harbor a lot of hatred toward Dr. Hagee.

And you seem to possess psychic abilities. I don't hate the man. I do have a low tolerance threshold for men like Hagee who lie from the pulpit and devour widows houses. No apologies here.