Posted on 03/13/2007 11:48:54 AM PDT by Spiff
Knowing what we know now about Rudy Giuliani's serially adulterous behavior while married to Donna Hanover and how he dumped her and abandoned his children - moving her and his children out of the Mayor's mansion to move in his latest sexual partner - this video truly triggers the gag reflex. What a loyal husband and father Rudy turned out to be. What a crass and dishonest display of fatherhood and marital bliss this ad was. It brings to mind the garbage that Bill Clinton used to do - the "impromptu" dance on the beach with Hillary, the cross made out of stones at Normandy, etc.
Within months after running this ad and getting elected in 1993, Giuliani was photographed buying clothes for his "Mayoral Aide" Christyne Lategano. He was photographed treating her to dinner and baseball games, and got caught (by his then wife) having sex with her in City Hall.
Rudy eventually dumped Christyne for his next mistress, Judith Nathan. It was Nathan that he dumped Hanover for. His wife and children were not told of their husband and father giving them the boot until Rudy held a very public press conference to announce it.
Contrast that truly heinous behavior surrounding his serial adultery betrayal of his wife and family with the video images of him holding his baby and feeding her, walking hand and hand with the wife he would betray, playing T-Ball with his son, and the gag reflex really gets a workout. Having heard his son's recent comments about his father's abandonment just makes things worse.
Given his adulterous conduct, this ad is just another demonstration of the fact that Giuliani will say and do and pretend to be anything in order to mislead the voters and get their votes. Besides the Clintons I have not seen a more dishonest liberal running for the Presidency. And the sick thing is that this time he's running for the GOP nomination and stands a good chance of fooling enough voters to get it.
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Some of us don't care about what Guiliani did in his private life. Who he sleeps with is none of my business. My support - or lack thereof - will be based upon the issues, not sex.
I've held my nose and voted for "lessers of two evils" a number of times, but I will not vote for a moral leper like Giuliani.
Lack of character is an issue. Inability to keep promises and honor oaths is an issue as well. That's what Republicans said about Clinton's lack of character and adultery and it is equally fitting in respect to Giuliani's serial adultery and dishonest behavior.
What a loser! This vid shows how "full of it" his current campaign is too!
"Some of us don't care about what Guiliani did in his private life. Who he sleeps with is none of my business. My support - or lack thereof - will be based upon the issues, not sex."
Dude, character *is* an issue. That behavior shows that he is an utter scumbag of Clintonian magnitude who should be driven from public life.
MY support is also based on issues, that is why I do not suppor the blasted rino.
Sure we can.
But if you want to actually win the election, I'm going to have to say we can't.
Yes, we sure can do better. Character does count. If he betrayed his wife, he will have no problem betraying others. We already had enough of Clinton's affair - many people still feel "Clinton fatigue." Especially women will have second thoughts about Rudy.
OTOH...
You'd better care if he can't keep a promise.
You'd better care if he is of duplicitous character.
You'd better care if you believe his malleable promise that he'll nominate constructionist judges.
Got it?
Having said that, Rudy Giuliani's political record as a lifetime supporter of liberal issues and liberal causes is more then enough reason for conservatives to discount his candidacy.
Your fear of Hillary clouds logical thinking.
Fred Thompson will be our next president. Barring he runs.
That sounds just like the Dem defense of Clinton's dalliances. Turns out Clinton's lack of self-control over "personal" matters was a barometer of his lack of self-control over political matters.
"But if you want to actually win the election, I'm going to have to say we can't."
People have such short memories.
Does no one remember that Clinton was supposed to be a sacrificial lamb, offered up to be slaughtered by the "unbeatable" George Herbert Walker Bush, to save the Demo heavyweights from suffering an inevitable defeat?
Clinton was allowed to be nominated because the Dems had written off the '92 election and wanted to save their "electable" candidates for '96.
Dark horses can win...if they can get the nomination.
He's just as bad on the issues as he is in his personal life! How can we trust someone to be the President of the U.S. when he couldn't he keep his marriage vow with his wife and children?
What is winning if you've compromised all your values to win?
..unbelievable--literally!
All politicians lie, but to the Clinton's and Rudy Giuliani it comes so natural.
After 2008, FR is going to be an interesting place.
Holy smokes. What a find.
Nope. It will be Hunter.
With more than half of marriages ending in divorce, I doubt that Giuliani's marriages will harm him in the general, and his electability innoculates him from anything else in the primary. Unless you can successfully attack his electability in a general election, you cannot defeat him.
Attacking him on moral grounds will only help him with swing voters. You vastly underestimate the moral depravity of the average American, to your political peril.
Jim Talent, Rick Santorum and Allen all paid the price for your political miscalculations. Keep it up. You are helping Giuliani with your opposition as the more visible it is to the unwashed masses, the more likely they will support him.
And what the heck is that thing on his head?! Oh, wait a minute . . . that's his hair.
If it was ONLY about his questionable worth as a father and husband, then he might be allowed a pass, but...
it's about SO MUCH MORE.
He's a liberal, gun-grabbing, abortion-mill-supporting (among other things) RINO maggot that doesn't RATE to run as a REPUBLICAN candidate for POTUS.
Boy the guy must be gaining too much traction because the lies are flying fast and furious over at Youtube. Martial law, jackbooted Nazi marches, please keep up the good work there loyal comrades.
His second wife was emotionally dead to him when he came down with cancer. She was more interested in her exercise machine making noise and upsetting her cancer sick husband than anything else.
And that's his fault? Yeah, okay.
Don't care how many wives the guy had. If I had any like that their gone.
Welcome to Free Republic.
I can understand Giuliani's complaints over the way Hanover treated him could lead to him wanting a divorce. However, none of that excused his serial adultery. She didn't force him to break his marriage vows before the divorce was final. It just shows how much promises and oaths are worth to Rudy Giuliani.
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Way better.
No, I don't have a short memory. In '91 the media was biased, but at least tried to hide their bias towards the Dems. IN 2007, there is no question. Do you honestly see Letterman(I know it wasn't him with clinton) allowing a GOP candidate to play the Sax on his show? Not going to happen. No grass roots media campaign for a dark horse GOP candidate. Not going to happen, don't kid yourself.
Your wish is not going to come true. Your desire, and other like you, to see Guiliani fall is going give the election to Hillary or Obama.
Wow, that's some serious spin.
"Welcome to Free Republic"
Thanks trisham.
And your desire to see Giuliani win the Primary Election is going to give the election to a radical liberal - Giuliani or one of the Democrats.
And your desire to see Giuliani win the Primary Election is going to give the election to a radical liberal - Giuliani or one of the Democrats.
"and his electability innoculates him from anything else in the primary"
I can remember another candidate that was pushed through because of his perceived 'electability'. Thank Gawd the dems fell for that claim in 2004.
Republicans supporting James Blaine used this phrase: "Ma, ma, where's my Pa?" against Grover Cleveland in the Presidential campaign of 1884. Cleveland had fathered an illegitimate son.
Democrats would answer this chant with the following: "Gone to the White House, ha ha ha!"
Cleveland won the election.
In 2006 the religious right became dinosaurs. In 2008 they will become fossilized unless they can embrace a little pragmatism and look at political reality.
Ideologically, I far prefer Hunter or Thompson to Giuliani. But I'd rather have power than ideological purity, and so would most Republicans. Thompson may yet save the day for conservatives, but until he demonstrates that he can win, Giuliani will carry the mantle.
Please point out where I have been a Rudi cheerleader? I simply commented on the negativity of others. If Someone else beats out Rudi in the primary, then great. If not, I will support rudi over Hillary/Obama- Can you say the same?
Like it or not, Republicans like Schwartzenegger and Specter have no problems winning general elections. Kerry, an unabashed socialist traitor, came within a few electoral votes of winning the presidency. We lost VIRGINIA to a guy who wrote glowingly about father/son incest, and it HELPED him. Do you have any clue at all?
Dick Morris believes that all of this well crafted opposition research about Rudy - is coming from the Hillary war room. He's right. She knows if she can use the social conservatives to take Rudy out, that's the biggest hurdle she has to regaining control of the white house.
...so your argument is that we accept and pander to the lowest common moral denominator? I don't understand your position - am I missing something?
Of course, all of the operatives & money the left targeted toward those races didn't hurt either. Just a little payback for us unseating candidates like Tommy Daschle.
If Obama continues to make strides against her, and Giuliani looks like a shoe-in, I fully expect the Beast to call it quits. She is not the political risk taker that her husband is. The senate breeds political cowards, and the Hildebeast will be only the latest senatorial presidential wannabe failure.
On the issues, I still see no reason to support him...
Keep in mind that when Andrew Giuliani outed Rudy as a miserable father with a possessive, domineering third wife who demands Rudy stay away from his kids, America spoke loud and clear. 88% of those polled said they had a problem with Rudy not attending his son's graduation.
Now that's a poll with political punch (not A Julie Annie faked-up, manufactured poll).
Our intra-party squabbles meant something when we had both houses of congress, the supreme court and the presidency. Now they mean nothing. We need to get our majority back, and so far Giuliani seems to be the only candidate out there who can deliver that outcome.
"Mrs Clinton had the past of Bill's lovers investigated and told Bill's lovebirds about unkind details of their past which will appear in the media should they testify against her husband"
Heck, she told them their legs would be broken, or worse.
"so far Giuliani seems to be the only candidate out there who can deliver that outcome."
He can't. If he gets the nomination, he loses the election.
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