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Why Rudy Giuliani Really Shouldn’t be President
Special Guests Blog ^ | Marach 8.2007 | Jim Sleeper

Posted on 03/10/2007 9:24:06 PM PST by Angel

The deluge of commentary on Rudolph Giuliani’s presidential prospects has forced me finally to break my long silence about the man. Somebody’s gotta say it: He shouldn’t be president, not because he’s too “liberal” or “conservative,” or because his positions on social issues have been heterodox, or because he seems tone-deaf on race, or because his family life has been messy, or because he’s sometimes been as crass an opportunist as almost every other politician of note. Rudy Giuliani shouldn’t be president for reasons more profoundly troubling. Maybe you had to be with him at the start of his electoral career to see them clearly.

Throughout the fall, 1993 New York mayoral campaigns, I tried harder than any other columnist I know of to convince left-liberal friends and everyone else that Giuliani would win and probably should.

In the Daily News, the New Republic, and on cable and network TV, I insisted it had come to this because racial “Rainbow” and welfare-state politics were imploding nationwide, not just in New York and not only thanks to racists, Ronald Reagan, or robber barons. One didn’t have to share all of Giuliani’s “colorblind,” “law-and-order,” and free-market presumptions to want big shifts in liberal Democratic paradigms and to see that some of those shifts would require a political battering ram, not a scalpel.

I spent a lot of time with Giuliani during the 1993 campaign and his first year in City Hall, and while a dozen of my columns criticized him sharply for presuming far too much, I defended most of his record to the end of his tenure. He forced New York, that great capital of “root cause” explanations for every social problem, to get real about remedies that work, at least for now, in the world as we know it. I saw Al Sharpton blink as I told him in a debate that twice as many New Yorkers had been felled by police bullets during David Dinkins’ four-year mayoralty as during Giuliani’s then-seven years and that the drop in all murders meant that at least two thousand black and Hispanic New Yorkers who’d have been dead were up and walking around.

Giuliani’s successes ranged well beyond crime reduction. As late as July, 2001, when his personal and political blunders had eclipsed those gains and he had only a lame duck’s six months to go, I insisted in a New York Observer column that he’d facilitated housing, entrepreneurial, and employment gains for people whose loudest-mouthed advocates called him a racist reactionary. James Chapin, the late democratic socialist savant, considered Giuliani a “progressive conservative” like Teddy Roosevelt, who was a New York police commissioner before becoming Vice President and President.

Yet Giuliani’s methods and motives suggest he couldn’t carry his skills and experience to the White House without damaging this country. Two problems run deeper than the current likely “horse race” liabilities, such as his social views and family history.

The first serious problem is structural and political: A man who fought the inherent limits of his mayoral office as fanatically as Giuliani would construe presidential prerogatives so broadly he’d make George Bush’s notions of “unitary” executive power seem soft.

Even in the 1980s, as an assistant attorney general in the Reagan Justice Department and U.S. Attorney in New York, Giuliani was imperious and overreaching. He "perp-walked" Wall Streeters right out of their offices in dramatic prosecutions that failed. He made the troubled daughter of a state judge, Hortense Gabel, testify against her mother and former Miss America Bess Meyerson in a failed prosecution charging, among other things, that Meyerson had hired the judge’s daughter to bribe her into helping “expedite” a messy divorce case. The jury was so put off by Giuliani’s tactics that it acquitted all concerned, as the Washington Post recalled ten years later in assessing Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr’s subpoena of Monica Lewinsky’s mother to testify against her daughter.

At least, as U.S. Attorney, Giuliani served at the pleasure of the President and had to defer to federal judges. Were he the President, U.S. Attorneys would serve at his pleasure -- a dangerous arrangement in the wrong hands, we’ve learned -- and he’d pick the judges to whom prosecutors defer.

As mayor, Giuliani fielded his closest aides like a fast and sometimes brutal hockey team, micro-managing and bludgeoning city agencies and even agencies that weren’t his, like the Metropolitan Transportation Authority and Board of Education. They deserved it richly enough to make his bravado thrilling to many of us, but it wasn’t very productive. And while this Savonarola disdained even would-be allies in other branches of government, he wasn’t above cutting indefensible deals with crony contractors and pandering shamelessly to some Hispanics, orthodox Jews, and other favored constituencies.

Even the credit he claimed for transportation, housing and safety improvements belongs partly and sometimes wholly to predecessors’ decisions and to economic good luck: As he left office the New York Times noted that on his first day as mayor in 1994, the Dow Jones had stood at 3754.09, while on his last day, Dec. 31, 2001, it opened at 10,136.99: “For most of his tenure, the city’s treasury gushed with revenues generated by Wall Street.” Dinkins had had to struggle through the after-effects the huge crash of 1987.

Remarkable though Giuliani’s mayoral record remains, it’s complicated further by more than socio-economic circumstances and structural constraints. Ironically, it was his most heroic moments as mayor that spotlighted his deepest presidential liability. Fred Siegel, author of the Giuliani-touting Prince of the City, posed the problem recently when he wondered why, after Giuliani’s 1997 mayoral reelection, with the city buoyed by its new safety and economic success, he wasn’t “able to turn his Churchillian political personality down a few notches."

I’ll tell you why: Giuliani’s 9/11 performance was sublime for the unnerving reason that he’d been rehearsing for it all his adult life and remained trapped in that stage role. When his oldest friend and deputy mayor Peter Powers told me in 1994 that 16-year-old Rudy had started an opera club at Bishop Loughlin High School in Brooklyn, I didn’t have to connect too many of the dots I’d been seeing to begin noticing that Giuliani at times acted like an opera fanatic who’s living in a libretto as much as in the real world.

In private, Rudy can contemplate the human comedy with a Machiavellian prince’s supple wit. But when he walks on stage, he tenses up so much that even his efforts to lighten up seem labored. What drove him as mayor was a zealot’s graceless division of everyone into friend or foe and his snarling, sometimes histrionic, vilifications of the foes. Those are operatic emotions, beneath the civic dignity of a great city and its chief magistrate.

Of course, I know more than a few New Yorkers who deserve the Rudy treatment, but only on 9/11 did the city really become as operatic as the inside of Rudy’s mind. For once, New York re-arranged itself into a stage fit for, say, Rossini’s “Le Siege de Corinth” or some dark, nationalist epic by Verdi or Puccini that ends with bodies strewn all over and the tragic but noble hero grieving for his devastated people and, perhaps, foretelling a new dawn.

Giuliani called the Metropolitan Opera only a few days after 9/11 and insisted its performances resume. At the first of these, the orchestra, striking up a few well-known chords, brought the entire cast, Met administrative, secretarial, and custodial staff (who'd come up onstage), and the capacity audience to their feet to sing “The Star Spangled Banner” with unprecedented passion. A few days later Giuliani proposed that his term be extended on an “emergency” basis beyond its lawful end on January 1, 2002. (It wasn’t, and the city did as well as it could have, anyway.)

Should this country suffer another devastating attack before the 2008 primaries are over, Giuliani’s presidential prospects may soar beyond recalling. But the very Constitutional notion of recall could soar away with them. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and Giuliani was right for his time and on a stage with built-in limits. But we shouldn’t have to make him the next President to learn why even a grateful Britain dumped Churchill in its first major election after V-E day.


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1 posted on 03/10/2007 9:24:09 PM PST by Angel
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To: Angel

so he shouldn't be President, because he would actually dare to use Executive power? is that it? is this the best this author's got?


2 posted on 03/10/2007 9:26:10 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Angel

This piece smacks of reverse psychology.


3 posted on 03/10/2007 9:27:21 PM PST by joseph20
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To: Angel

Sorry, I couldn't get past the writer's ego.


4 posted on 03/10/2007 9:27:50 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Angel

Jim Sleeper was a political columnist for The New York Daily News in the mid-1990s and an editorial writer for Newsday from 1988 to 1993.

That's what I think.


5 posted on 03/10/2007 9:28:34 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: http://appealforcourage.org)
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To: Angel

I think he was a good mayor for New York but the rest of the nation is not New York, not by a long shot.


6 posted on 03/10/2007 9:30:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: bnelson44

and what has he done lately???


7 posted on 03/10/2007 9:30:22 PM PST by Postman
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To: Angel

I think the media has a self imposed quota on Rudy articles.

A minimum of 10 a day, even if they're drivel, like this one.


8 posted on 03/10/2007 9:30:33 PM PST by airborne (Rudy is nothing but a donkey in an elephant suit! HUNTER 2008!)
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To: AmishDude

"Sorry, I couldn't get past the writer's ego."

He lost me at the opera references...


9 posted on 03/10/2007 9:31:39 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle (I think Jamie Dupree is annoying.)
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To: Angel

We need a candidate who can WIN. A candidate who can win votes from people who aren't registered Republicans. I have no problem voting for the "lesser evil". It's a hell of a lot better than kissing my vote away. Hopefully in the future, I won't feel that way and can make an ideological stand with my vote but now isn't that time. looking at the field of potentials, my only hope is anyone but McCain.


10 posted on 03/10/2007 9:32:35 PM PST by jess35
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To: Angel

What do I think? Giulianni reminds me of Elliot Spitzer.


11 posted on 03/10/2007 9:33:25 PM PST by upsdriver ((Hunter / Thompson......Gonzo politics)
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To: Angel
Regrettably, we did not clone Ronald the Great, and even if we did clone him, we'd have to wait till the clone turns Constitutional 35 at the earliest. Thus one has to look at:
: What is available, [i.e. what we are stuck with right now], and
What is realistic [out of what is available].
And then one needs to pick the lesser evil and take it for the greater good it is. This writer is in doubt of Giuliani's "overreach" - well, how would he like hillary's?
12 posted on 03/10/2007 9:34:56 PM PST by GSlob
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To: oceanview

That's NOT what the author is saying.

He's stating the man is so single-minded wedded to the goal of achieving his personal objective - whatever tht might be, that he ignores reason and logic and abuses power.

He is arrogant, egocentric and self-absorbed.

The BEss Myerson case was ANOTHER example I had forgotten.
The Ferret incident is another. The author provides yet more.

But no logic, no reason, no data or facts will deter the JulianAnnistas from their obsession with this individual as the only person who can beat Hillery.

If ONE MAN is the only person who can beat her, and a flawed man as this one is ... we had better hang it all up and cash it in as a nation.


13 posted on 03/10/2007 9:35:09 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: jess35
We need a candidate who can WIN. A candidate who can win votes from people who aren't registered Republicans.

A Democrat.

14 posted on 03/10/2007 9:35:58 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Postman

He writes for Salon, the American Prospect and teaches at Yale.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?name=View+Author&section=root&id=481


15 posted on 03/10/2007 9:35:59 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: http://appealforcourage.org)
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To: Angel
Waht do YOU think?

I think the predictable swarm of RudyBots are about to land on this thread, call you everything but a homo sapiens, and label the writer of the article as:

a.) A Rudy-hater.

b.) A homophobe.

c.) A right wing socon.

d.) A bought-and-paid for operative for another candidate.

e.) Stupid.

PS - If you post any graphics or pictures, at least be sure they're pro-Rudy, or you'll be labeled as a 'spammer' by the Rudyphiles who are by this time Saturday night, probably getting really rude from having nothing but Rudy-Aid to drink all evening, plus the time change.

Get into your Nomex(c) suit now.

Nice knowing you! (heh! heh!)

Best,

MKJ
16 posted on 03/10/2007 9:36:18 PM PST by mkjessup ("ahhh don't feel noways tired...ahhh've come too faaaaaar...from whar ahhh started from...!")
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To: ZULU
He's stating the man is so single-minded wedded to the goal of achieving his personal objective - whatever tht might be, that he ignores reason and logic and abuses power.

Actually, what came across from the article was that the author was that way about his own career.

17 posted on 03/10/2007 9:37:13 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: http://appealforcourage.org)
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To: Postman

He seems strongly anti-Iraq


18 posted on 03/10/2007 9:39:34 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: http://appealforcourage.org)
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To: Mojave

Nope.


19 posted on 03/10/2007 9:42:41 PM PST by jess35
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To: jess35

Oh? What about de facto Democrats like Rudy?


20 posted on 03/10/2007 9:46:09 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Angel; Admin Moderator

This author is a total twit.

Now, did you obtain permission to steal this complete article without excerpting it?


21 posted on 03/10/2007 9:51:35 PM PST by EveningStar (The safety of the US is more important than my ego, so I'm voting for a GOP candidate who can win.)
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To: jess35
We need a candidate who can WIN.

Rudy Giuliani is not that candidate. He will lose the pro-life vote. He will lose the pro-gun vote. He will lose the "Reagan Democrats" who vote Republican specifically because they don't stand for the things that Rudy Giuliani advocates. He will lose by a smaller margin in California and New York than other Republicans would, but he will lose Ohio, Pennsylvania, some otherwise "solid" Southern states, and maybe a few Western states that we've come to expect.

22 posted on 03/10/2007 9:57:44 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Angel
Well that cross dressing thing comes to mind right off the bat.
23 posted on 03/10/2007 10:00:57 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Angel
The article is bombastic garbage. He spend the beginning praising Rudy, yet calls him a "racist", which is patently ridiculous and ends by claiming that Rudy would actually DO things as president, which isn't, according to the author any good. HUNH?

I'm going to reread this, for a third time, to see if it makes any sense at all, but I doubt that it will. He's FOR Rudy, but against him, against him, but for him, calls him a racists, them proves that he isn't one.

24 posted on 03/10/2007 10:01:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: bnelson44

Mr Sleeper sounds like a guy that nobody listens too.


25 posted on 03/10/2007 10:01:39 PM PST by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: Angel
I think he comes across in this article as being Bill Clinton without the laid back charisma that I never saw even though everyone else claims that it's there. Personally, I don't see that much difference between the two of them. This description also makes him sound a little bit like Richard Nixon.

The points about the stock market are good. He was in a position to seem strong on budget issues when the city was riding the wave of the stock market bubble. With more people investing in the 1990's, there was more money coming towards New York. That money could make anyone's administration seem better.

Bill

26 posted on 03/10/2007 10:02:35 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: neverhillorat

He has a fitting name.


27 posted on 03/10/2007 10:03:05 PM PST by EveningStar (The safety of the US is more important than my ego, so I'm voting for a GOP candidate who can win.)
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To: Angel

I read about half of this crap and started laughing uncontrollably at the sheer idiocy of this "author".

I can well understand how this logic would be consumed by liberals.


28 posted on 03/10/2007 10:03:10 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: upsdriver
Living, as you do, in North Dakota, I doubt that you know enough about Rudy or Elliot to make that observation with acuity.
29 posted on 03/10/2007 10:05:55 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ZULU

Bess was guilty.


30 posted on 03/10/2007 10:06:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: bnelson44

No wonder that article is such a mess! LOL


31 posted on 03/10/2007 10:07:38 PM PST by nopardons
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To: WFTR

"Rudy Giuliani is not that candidate. He will lose the pro-life vote. He will lose the pro-gun vote. He will lose the "Reagan Democrats" who vote Republican specifically because they don't stand for the things that Rudy Giuliani advocates."

What you wrote is so on target it just needed to be repeated again. Very well said.


32 posted on 03/10/2007 10:08:15 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: jess35

["We need a candidate... who can win votes from people who aren't registered Republicans."]

Sure. Maybe we should draft Hillary into the GOP. If enough Repubs vote for her, combined with the Dem vote, we're a shoe-in.

For me, though I think I'll keep holding out for someone who is not such a glaring RINO.

Winning is meaningless when you elect another liberal, no matter what party he belongs to.


33 posted on 03/10/2007 10:13:29 PM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: nopardons

"He made the troubled daughter of a state judge, Hortense Gabel, testify against her mother and former Miss America Bess Meyerson in a failed prosecution"

Mistatement or lie?


34 posted on 03/10/2007 10:16:43 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Angel
[. . .has forced me finally to break my long silence about the man.]

We've all been waiting with bated breath for your wisdom, Dr. Sleeper.
35 posted on 03/10/2007 10:17:12 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: Angel
As a Rudy supporter, in seeing the title, I was curious as to the arguments presented. There are a number of people on this site who are anti Rudy and currently state that there is no way they will vote for Rudy. I do not question their sincerity, however, if faced with a match up of Rudy vs Hillary, I cannot believe that they would not do everything to stop Hillary at all costs. Upon this match up arising in the general election, I intend on pressing this case hard .

I would assume that this author is writing from a liberal slant. I would more than welcome your reposting this article if Rudy is the nominee as there is nothing in the article from a conservative viewpoint that is problematic except for his overzealousness about his prosecutions. However, the conclusion that the writer reaches is that Rudy would appoint judges that prosecutors would defer to. This, by the way, is consistent with his record on crime.

The next point is that Rudy would be tough and would ruffle feathers. In the authors view overstepping his bounds. In my view this is how Rudy should govern. We are in a serious
battle with people that want to inflect as many casualties as possible on us. We need someone tough. This challenge is one that Rudy gets. One other point, I have been a strong Bush supporter but have been thoroughly disappointed. He has been great in standing fast and not backing down in the War. I was pleased to see him adding even more troops based on his assessment that this is the right thing to do, despite the BS whining from the left. Apart from being steadfast, Bush is too nice. There is no retribution for Republicans that buck him (prime example - Chafee) and he allows himself to be beat up by the democrats (this is true even before they took over). As a New Yorker, I have seen Rudy in action. I welcome his approach.

Finally, the junk about 9/11 fitting in with his aspirations. No one with an ability to reason and be fair can not admire his leadership during the crisis. In our current times, this proven trait is critical. I could care less about about the ridiculous psychobabble why he is good in a crisis.

The authors bottom line is that England rejected Churchill so we should reject Rudy (implying Rudy is like Churchill). One small item that is different. The war was over in England. Our war is far from over - a point not recognized seriously by the liberals. This is a time where a Churchillian person is needed.
36 posted on 03/10/2007 10:19:56 PM PST by TakeChargeBob
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To: Angel
I've said many times that Giuliani was a budding fascist. I remember well his questionable moves as a US attorney celebrated in the media. The man would consolidate executive power to a dangerous degree. That he is a liberal gun grabber would make matters worse.

Were there a serious terrorist attack while he was President, respect for our constituional rights would never be recovered.

37 posted on 03/10/2007 10:20:21 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Debtor's fascism for Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: nopardons

I get my marching orders from Rush!


38 posted on 03/10/2007 10:22:04 PM PST by upsdriver ((Hunter / Thompson......Gonzo politics)
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To: airborne

And every one of them gets posted here, at least three times.


39 posted on 03/10/2007 10:25:28 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Hugo in a Pantsuit... I know, I know... it's serious.)
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To: WFTR

So, who is that candidate if not Rudy?


40 posted on 03/10/2007 10:32:13 PM PST by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: cripplecreek
I think he was a good mayor for New York but the rest of the nation is not New York, not by a long shot.

It's not Texas or California, either.

No one state is proper prep-work for leading the whole nation.

41 posted on 03/10/2007 10:39:47 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Angel

The ankle biters are out, blame others, but don't come up with a powerhouse candidate themselves.


42 posted on 03/10/2007 10:39:58 PM PST by tkathy (Rudy is the latest phenomenenenenenenena)
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To: mkjessup
I think the predictable swarm of RudyBots are about to land on this thread, call you everything but a homo sapiens, and label the writer of the article as:

WHAAAAA!

The Rudyhaters are too busy clogging up these threads telling everyone what the Rufyfans WILL say, and acting like the widdle wounded victims, to actually read and think about and discuss the situation.

The situation being that we should push as hard as possible for a conservative to win the nomination, BUT whoever wins we have to get behind him to defeat the Democrat.

I'll leave the floor to the whiney Rudyhaters so they can now tell you all what I'm REALLY saying, i.e. they'll conveniently skip how I said we need a conservative to win the nomination.

43 posted on 03/10/2007 10:43:41 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: jim35
Winning is meaningless when you elect another liberal, no matter what party he belongs to.

What garbage. Do you really believe the outcome is the same if you have Hillary or Giuliani as President? The 2008 election is not going to be won on social issues.

44 posted on 03/10/2007 10:47:10 PM PST by jess35
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To: Angel
A poll that can be found at www.freerepublic.com


Fred Thompson
62.7%


Rudy Giuliani
21.5%


Undecided
4.4%


Write-in
4.2%


Third party
3.8%


Stay home
2.9%


Leave blank
0.5%
45 posted on 03/10/2007 10:48:00 PM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: nopardons
The article is bombastic garbage.

I agree. It must be a copy of a column he wrote for Slate or some other periodical. He must've had a deadline he couldn't think of something to write about in time for, so he just winged it. Badly.

46 posted on 03/10/2007 10:48:03 PM PST by FreeKeys ("Once Hillary is elected she will create a new form of secret police."- Dick Morris (her ex-employee)
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To: Angel

RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!!!

John Bolton as his Vice Running Mate.


47 posted on 03/10/2007 10:51:02 PM PST by Chewbacca (I reject your reality and substitute my own.)
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To: upsdriver

You can't think for yourself?


48 posted on 03/10/2007 10:53:34 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

LOL! Humor! That was humor!!


49 posted on 03/10/2007 10:55:51 PM PST by upsdriver ((Hunter / Thompson......Gonzo politics)
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To: Carry_Okie

You seem to agree with the Left. They say Giuliani is a budding fascist. If you read Leftist blogs, they say similar things to "respect for our constituional rights would never be recovered." The Leftists say that if he's elected he will become a dictator. I remember them saying the same things about Ronald Reagan. They were wrong about him and they're wrong about Giuliani. I lived for 8 years with Giuliani as my Mayor. Never did I see him as a fascist. The DemonRats and Radical Leftists did. His initiatives helped to clean up this city. People felt safe to visit and do business here. Times Square was transformed from a dangerous human cesspool into a clean, safe and vital area. I never feared him and I have no reason to fear him now. I don't support Giuliani for President. I don't agree with his views on abortion, guns and many other things. At the present time, I support no one. I'm certain of one thing. He is no fascist.


50 posted on 03/10/2007 10:56:51 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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