Posted on 03/04/2007 10:46:48 PM PST by CaliFReeper1
BLACK REPARATIONS: FROM WHOM? TO WHOM?
By the United American Committee | March 5th 2007
Researchers have reportedly found evidence that the ancestors of Al Sharpton may have been owned by the ancestors of Democrat-turned Dixiecrat-turned Republican Strom Thurmond. This is an interesting, albeit ironic, possibility.
We are now hearing demands from descendants of West African Americanized slaves claiming reparations. Who should be responsible for paying those reparations? And who should receive them? First, what about an American Black U.S. citizen who is not a descendant from American slaves, such as Barak Obama, or others who immigrated to the U.S. from other countries? Clearly, they have no stake in this matter. Now, for those who truly are descendants of West Africans who became slaves in America, just where should their demands for reparations be directed?
Let it be said that no living black Americans have been slaves in America. It is also safe to say that no living white Americans owned slaves. In fact there are probably far more living Americans whose ancestors fought and died to end slavery because they found it ugly and absolutely abhorrent. Approximately 700,000 Americans died in the Civil War to bring an end to slavery.
So who is responsible for slavery? Some ill-informed people tend to blame it all on American southern plantation owners and ignore the role of British, Spanish, and Portuguese merchants who bought slaves and transported them to the Americas for resale. Some want to blame it on those middle-men slave merchants and slave ship owners and ignore the role of those who first seized free Africans, dragging them from their homes to be sold to the middle-men.
And just who were those at the bottom of this ugly supply chain? Who seized free men and women and forced them into slavery in the first place? History tells us in almost all cases they were Arab Muslim slavers whose religion, Islam, decreed that the taking of slaves of those they conquered is approved by Allah; A lawful reward for striving to carry out Allah's edict to his believers to force all people and all nations into Islam (submission); a doctrine which still prompts conquest, subjugation, terrorism and slave-taking today.
Some political leaders of former slave states have taken steps to apologize and to try to make some amends for this horrid but now long-abolished-in-America practice. True, without plantation owners there may have been no slave ships sailing to our shores, but as we take a closer look at the history of slavery, we see this interesting truth: it was mostly Arab Muslims who had been actively engaged in the practice of seizing and selling human beings into slavery for centuries. So, the real....the original slavers (and still in the business today) are Muslim slavers who seized and enslaved not only black Africans but also white Europeans, brown Indonesians, and olive-skinned people of India, Persia and the Mid-east.
Al Sharpton's ancestors were in all probability captured and first made slaves by Arab or Black MUSLIMS. Yes, they were eventually bought by plantation owners who needed strong healthy males and females capable of sustained hard work under onerous conditions. Those slaves at least found conditions and the courage within themselves to survive, and even raise children, their descendants now living as free people, some in America.
The same was not so for many millions of slaves of various nationalities who were captured. Often Arab Muslim slavers didn't want to deal with whole men. Eunuchs were more valuable. Many unfortunate victims were often mutilated in a most barbaric and savage manner in castration stations established along the slaver's routes. This practice continues in sub-Sahara Africa to this day. These acts were not clean and surgical. They were performed with dirty knives, and more of the victims died than lived, and still die horribly today, in Mauritania, in the Sudan (Darfur today, and who knows where next) and everywhere in between.
In lieu of reparations, our political, religious, educational, and business leaders need to not only demand, but take real steps to end the vicious ugliness of slavery and human subjugation today and for all times wherever this ugliness takes place.
And our black descendants of American slaves might more appropriately direct their demands for reparations to states of the Muslim world which first seized and enslaved their fore bearers. They might also consider that, had that not happened, they might today be living in an impoverished African nation, and themselves at risk of being enslaved tomorrow.
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This article was authored by the following writers with the United American Committee: Jim Horne, Al Rawley (Commander, USN Ret.), Jesse Petrilla, & Ted Hayes.
The United American Committee is a leading educational group dedicated primarily to awakening the nation to the threats of radical Islam, and works to educate Americans on the nature of Islamic extremism. Its mission is to protect America by fighting the ideological aspects of the War on Terror.
More information on the UAC can be found at www.UnitedAmericanCommittee.org
bumity bump
Hear, hear!
Since my tribe didn't get off the boat until the 1890s, do I owe???
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Just send a check for a hundred thousand to Al Sharpton, he'll make sure it gets to the "right" people...
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Any Black that feels they are not doing better here in America than their forefathers needs to go back to their country of origin.
I once dated a black woman, who had an interesting opinion on reparations.
She was for them, but for one reason only - we could finally stop talking about it! She said, sure, some would run right out and buy cars and jewelery and live high on the hog for a while...and then the money would be gone, and they would have to shut up about it once and for all. She was embarrassed by the issue, and did'nt feel she was entitled to anything from slavery.
Me, i think it should be paid out to those who were actually slaves. Oh, there's none left? Oh well!
My Irish ancestors had their land seized by Cromwell, and forced into virtual slavery and lost all rights under British rule. Does the UK and Cromwell's descendants owe me anything? Of course not.
Slavery was a horrible practice in the history of our country, but it's in the past, and those who were actually owned and mistreated are long dead. We need to move on, not fall prey to guilt trips and nonsensical claims of "healing" that throwing money at the issue is supposed to cure. Money won't do a thing, except distract a few for a moment, think of the credit cards issued after Katrina.
If anything, the US Government should be spending money helping blacks to find out any possible records of kinship, although most records have probably been destroyed. The one issue I feel really sorry for is the disconnect that many families have with their ancestors, because of what happened. Maybe there's not much we can do, but it's better spent that way than throwing one hell of a party in the inner city for a month.
No reparations without repatriation.
In other words, like everybody else, love it or leave it.
Remember that Hillary is half-black so get ready to bend over when she annouces she's going to push for reparations aka "the capture the black vote" initiative.
I'll be glad to pay reparations to any slaves that I've ever owned.
Heck, I'm in a generous mood; I'll pay reparations to any slaves or even the descendants of any slaves that even my great-great grandfather owned.
Reparations are a great idea.
I'll gladly foresake my children and pay up to my total net worth that which is due any man who has suffered injustice.
Just tell me the maximum melanin threshold which defines the oppressed and if any man meets this darkness threshold I'll bring my bank transfer info.
[[f'ing madness]]
Here is an idea. I want reparations for this racist "diversity" bullsht whereby my skin color was used to strip me and my family of financial gain because of my skin color.
Wolf,
Why is this an issue. I'm as white as the driven snow, born in 1966. My anscestors came from Europe at the beginning of the 20th century. I don't own any black man decended from Africa shit except a fair shake.
Unfortunately the opposite is not true. Every day I face institutionalized racism call "diversity". If a black man of African decent can't make the grade same as any other man I don't give a fk.
My job is to apply myself and do the best I can for me and my family. There are no 'white' people looking out for me I'm aware of. In fact my skin color is my bain in corporate America.
Instead of this rediculous conversation we should be talking about dismantling "diversity".
I don't know you or your politics and but I do know there is no "boogey man", no "white blue-eyed devil" because I'm white and blue-eyed and I'm certainly not the black man of African decents problem, their mine.
address diversity.
Read my responses and answer in a thoughtful reasoned way that suggests a capability to see/accept another point of view.
Your pal,
Eddie01
Slavery was brought to the new World through the Spanish in Cuba The French Haiti English through Jamaica and The Dutch through Martinique...The US was the Ultimate market but the Brokers were the aforementioned.
Irish were slaves in the Caribbean like barbados and St Lucia for the British
Irish then became Indentured slaves in the 1900'so the British in the USA..
Yeah, but how does that info put more money in Americans of African decent bank accounts? /s
Think harder. There must be a way for you to foresake and yours and still maintain your integrity in this whole thing. /s
(good thing I'm in a sea breeze infected tropical paradise right now) ...otherwise I'd be really upset.
"Getting there"?
Your a certified idiot. Prove me wrong.
So far, nothing you have said has been helpful. Your mythological "wolf" persona has stated the following.
I am 12 years older than you.
I am white.
I view diversity as abstract
I have life experience that has shaped my views on diversity
Well la ti freakin' da!
I know in my heart at some level that there is no diversity among men, it is an illusion.
B.S. All men are infinitely diverse. Celebration not biased institutionalization is what is required.
Is something owed to ex-slaves by ex-slaveholders and the system that sealed their bondage? Sure. And has been addressed in the Freedmen's Bureau, which was shamefully undermanned and underfunded; in affirmative action programs; in New Deal programs to ensure decent housing; in welfare programs to ensure healthful nutrition standards; in desegregation programs to ensure access to good schools; in hate crimes laws to bring down fury on the kinds of crimes that used to go by with a wink and a nod.
It was sealed by the marchers, the Freedom Riders, the sit-in students, the kids who faced the dogs and the hoses. White and black. I can only feel awe for the Freedom Riders who got up from the pavement, bandaged their own wounds, and got back on the bus to go on to the next stop.
Africans brought to America were served a great big s--t sandwich for a couple centuries. It wasn't right, and it wasn't just. Folks who want a hand-up will find my hand extended to them. Folks who want a handout will find my hand in my pocket. Yes, a great wrong happened. That does not not give anyone a forever pass on responsibility for his own life. If you want to move forward, I will help. If you don't want to move forward, I cannot help, even if I try.
I like diversity. A college campus should be diverse. It should be a place where students meet people and encounter ideas unlike what they've seen before. urban, suburban and rural; rich and poor and every gradation in between; different races and cultures and regions. I went to college in Georgia, but I'd never spent more time amongst Yankees before.
What galls me is when diversity -- a suitable goal n itself -- is twisted into code for x% white, y% black, z% Asian, and so on. A white West Virginia coal miner's kid adds more "diversity" than a black doctor's kid from Manhattan. Diversity is a good thing. But only if it's applied by people who understand the word.
Furthermore, none of my ancestors had anything to do with it (except a couple of them died fighting the South); we were dirt-poor farmers from non-slave states. So I don't want to hear anyone say I owe reparations. I will not pay a penny for a wrong I did not commit.
However, I'll tell you someone who should pay (and pay through the nose)... one Mister Al Gore. YOU JUST KNOW that SOBs family probably owned hundreds of slaves (and lynched a few, too) and there's no evidence that that unctuous fool ever did anything to earn his many energy-hungry mansions, private planes, luxury cars, etc. So he's still personally benefitting from a great sin. Someone should take 99.999% of all his wealth and turn it over with Gore's apologies to Al Sharpton for all I care, before even thinking of coming after me for reparations! ...fuh shizzle
Pity. It gives shape and form to the cardboard stereotype.
Life is but a walking shadow, a poor player who struts and frets his hour upon the stage and is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing.
If you're going to channel the Bard, please complete the thought.
From youm to meem.
How many times have I asked you to curb that cutting tongue? tsk, tsk, some children, all they ever do is fuss.
Let the Wolf play, he's not hurting anybody.
Since the same people who advocate reparations also claim that the ancient Egyptians were black, blacks should pay Jews reparations for slavery...
Slavery was a global institution throughout history, from Old Testament times to the rejection of that institution by Christianity in the Nineteenth Century.The current movie Amazing Grace treats the life of Wilberforce, the central British politician in the campaign which caused Britain to throw its considerable weight behind the global abolition of slavery.
Post this same article on another board...and here's his response!
LOL I knew this was somehow going to be turned into blaming blacks and muslims. You can't have a conservative write about race without it.
You're wrong, there are slaveowners currently around to pay off reparations. Corporations are tecnically legal persons, and, thanks to the Republicans, they have more rights than real people. So we find corporations involved in slavery and can find clear sources of reparation money. Who gets the money is a trickier issue. LOL you knew this was going to involve blaming corporations.
Seriously. What the crap?
I don't think about reparations because I'm too busy working for a living. I am not giving anyone anything nor expecting anyone to give me anything. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :-)
opus time?
Honestly Wolf I have no preconceptions regarding you or your politics. I've made no assumptions.
You did not read my responses and you replied with nonsense - pin me down?, getting closer?
I'm sorry about the "idiot" thing, but really all you need to do to participate in the debate is state your position and defend it. If you can't then perhaps you need to reassess your assumptions before recommitting to them.
It is that simple. If you want to post something that furthers the debate and helps answer the questions you have on your "journey", I'm still here.
Eddie01
Bravo! :-)
It's bad enough that Barak Obama can take advantage of Affirmative Action.
And just who were those at the bottom of this ugly supply chain? Who seized free men and women and forced them into slavery in the first place? History tells us in almost all cases they were Arab Muslim slavers whose religion, Islam, decreed that the taking of slaves of those they conquered is approved by Allah; A lawful reward for striving to carry out Allah's edict to his believers to force all people and all nations into Islam (submission); a doctrine which still prompts conquest, subjugation, terrorism and slave-taking today.
I'm surprised the writer didn't say that it was more likely for Barak Hussein Obama Jr.'s ancestors to have owned/sold slaves than for the ancestors of most white Americans.
I don't believe that "in almost all cases they were Arab Muslim slavers". It maybe true today. As with people all over the world, tribes of Africa would take the defeated as slaves. Many black Africans sold their children into slavery. African chieftains were very upset when whites ended slavery. They loved trading humans for kegs of rum.
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