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The Truth About Men and Church
Touchstone Magazine ^ | June 2003 | Robbie Low

Posted on 03/04/2007 6:25:29 PM PST by Zack Nguyen

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To: RobinOfKingston

here I thought that the reason for increased attendance at our WELS (Lutheran) congregation was due to growth of the city where I live...but now that I actually think about it, we have quite a few people fleeing liberalism in their former churches...:(


21 posted on 03/04/2007 7:14:29 PM PST by stefanbatory
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Go to a masculine Church for your children's sake. Attend for your own sake. Pray for the kid's sake. The negative effect is precisely from women who go to church 'for the children.' That is a turnoff.


22 posted on 03/04/2007 7:25:40 PM PST by Rippin
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To: Zack Nguyen

I don't see that. My husband and I both take our children to church, just about every weekend (VS had to go to the Saturday vigil mass yesterday.) By this study, they are more likely to keep attending as adults if I stop going, and even more if I stop practicing entirely. That doesn't make sense to me. Our faith is part of the unity of our marriage, and the unity of our marriage a gift of our faith. And that is the rock our children's lives are built on.

Mrs VS


23 posted on 03/04/2007 7:39:13 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Rippin

I do go to church - with my husband (a guy who calls himself Veratatis Splendor is going to be a church-goer.) For my sake and my children's sake.

We now do go to a masculine church - we left a parish where the priest was swishy and self-conscious, the female associates pushed forward for their femaleness, the language unisexed, and the theology frequently dubious.

Now we're in a traditional parish and we're happy there.

Mrs VS


24 posted on 03/04/2007 7:45:18 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Chickensoup
Christianity still is quite masculine. In fact, the most courageous, self-sacrificing, competent men I know attend our church regularly. They draw their strenght straight from the Bible and rely on Christ to do what other men could only dream about.
25 posted on 03/04/2007 7:47:12 PM PST by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The "attends irregularly" stretches it out for many more generations. Bear in mind this is a Swiss study, and may not apply to other cultures, and mixes of sects.


26 posted on 03/04/2007 8:01:32 PM PST by amchugh
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To: Zack Nguyen

There's nothing more refreshing - and manly - than a God loving church attending man!

They are SO far superior to narcissistic, porn addicted, workaholics!


27 posted on 03/04/2007 8:06:26 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: VeritatisSplendor
By this study, they are more likely to keep attending as adults if I stop going, and even more if I stop practicing entirely. That doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, I didn't understand that either. It's a difference of only 5% or so, thus it is not immensely significant. In any case, what we're measuring here is church sttendance - not necessarily depth of faith conviction or orthodoxy of theology - all things which the mother doubtless has a strong influence over. How often your body is in church is important, but it's not everything.

28 posted on 03/04/2007 8:31:02 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
I repeat the following quote to my men...

"When a mother comes to faith in Christ, the rest of her family follows 17 percent of the time. But when a father comes to faith in Christ, the rest of the family follows 93 percent of the time"...From 'Why Men Hate Going to Church', written by David Murrow. http://www.churchformen.org
29 posted on 03/04/2007 8:48:36 PM PST by f7Oshawn
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To: Zack Nguyen

Listen to what Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church in Seattle has to say about men (sad, but true)...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zKHILew-laI


30 posted on 03/04/2007 8:51:47 PM PST by f7Oshawn
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To: keats5

Christianity still is quite masculine. In fact, the most courageous, self-sacrificing, competent men I know attend our church regularly

There are masculine men is some of the denominations of American Christianty. But by the whole, American Christianity is a woman's faith. Men have little place and role in many churches.


31 posted on 03/05/2007 7:51:57 AM PST by Chickensoup (WE are the media....The New Media.)
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To: khnyny

Perhaps your interpretation of Christianity is somewhat perverted.

I dont think so. American Christity is feminized and at times a perverted laughingstock of the world.

Islam has its own perversions. But when it comes to which is the uber-masculine religion at this time. Islam wins.


32 posted on 03/05/2007 7:55:37 AM PST by Chickensoup (WE are the media....The New Media.)
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To: RobinOfKingston

, but the crap promulgated by the "leadership" of such organizations as the elca.

Agreed. But just as we see Islam as perverted because of the focus taken by its leadership we should also accept the perversion of American Christiantiy's leadership as tainting the faith.


33 posted on 03/05/2007 7:57:24 AM PST by Chickensoup (WE are the media....The New Media.)
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To: RobinOfKingston
A little disagreement here. It is not Christianity that is an embarrassment, but the crap promulgated by the "leadership"...

Agreed. We've gone from Onward Christian Soldier to Draw Me Close to You...and I like Michael W. Smith...but we've strayed. Many/most hymns have doctrine in them...now our songs have sentiment. Nothing's wrong with some sentiment...but jello isn't solid meat.

34 posted on 03/05/2007 8:02:07 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Chickensoup
Well I belong to a nondenominational Evangelical church. There are lots like mine in this country. Our pews are filled with men, many young, and we're getting more every day. Our church offers them the challenges and thrills they find no where else. We have mission teams going to India, Venezuela, Africa and India- every year. They love to tell of building orphanages with nothing but a few rough tools and their own bare hands. We just sent about 65 guys down to New Orleans and another group just came home from a buiding project in Mexico. Last year they smuggled Bibles into China and did a bit of underground preaching in Vietnam. Our pastors are some very buff looking guys and many of our young guys are attracted to their courageous leadership.

All I can say is that churches like our are growing so fast, it's difficult to keep up. We just had the kickoff for another expansion project last night. All people could say on their way from church is that we're going to outgrow this new expansion before we know it.

Any guy interested in this type of church can find them most anywhere in America today. And they are- in droves.
35 posted on 03/05/2007 8:22:36 AM PST by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Very cool. I'm just guessing the negative impact of Moms attending with the Dad and kids comes from a measurement of those cases wehre women take their kids to church, not because it means a whole lot to the women, but because they think they owe it to the kids to take the kids. In my experience, men are far less likely to attend because they think they owe it to the kids.

Trying to explain why I'm guessing the data doesn't say anything negative about the Mom who is serious about her faith.


36 posted on 03/06/2007 10:40:03 AM PST by Rippin
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To: Zack Nguyen
The article has been archived at the Touchstone website and is now available here: http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=16-05-024-v
37 posted on 09/14/2007 10:55:00 AM PDT by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and proud father of a Star Scout!)
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To: fgoodwin

Thank you very much.


38 posted on 09/15/2007 5:39:55 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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