Posted on 03/04/2007 4:44:31 AM PST by MadIvan
THE hunter has become the hunted. Michael Moore, the celebrated left-wing film-maker, has become the unwilling subject of a new documentary that raises damaging questions about the credibility of his work.
The director and star of successful documentaries such as Roger & Me, Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, Moore has repeatedly been accused by his right-wing enemies of distorting or manipulating the material in his films. On his website he dismisses his critics as “wacko attackos”.
Yet the latest assault on Moore’s film-making techniques has come from an unexpected quarter. In Manufacturing Dissent, a documentary to be shown for the first time at a Texas film festival on Saturday, a pair of left-wing Canadian film-makers take Moore to task for what they describe as a disturbing pattern of fact-fudging and misrepresentation.
“When we started this project we hoped to have done a documentary that celebrated Michael Moore. We were admirers and fans,” said Debbie Melnyk, who made the film with her husband, Rick Caine. “Then we found out certain facts about his documentaries that we hadn’t known before. We ended up very disappointed and disillusioned.”
Melnyk and Caine are best known for their previous documentary Citizen Black, about Conrad Black, the Canadian-born former proprietor of The Daily Telegraph. Last week both of them acknowledged an important debt to Moore for popularising the documentary genre.
Yet when Caine and Melnyk began to follow him as part of their own documentary, their efforts to interview him met with the same kind of obstruction, denial and, ultimately, physical ejection that Moore had suffered when he tried to track down Roger Smith, the former chief executive of General Motors, for his first film, Roger & Me.
It was in Flint, Michigan, Moore’s former home town, that Caine and Melnyk made the first discovery that they say rocked their confidence in his approach. Roger & Me was a hugely successful account of what Moore portrayed as a fruitless task to force Smith to answer questions about GM’s policies in closing the car manufacturing plants that had long been Flint’s economic lifeline.
Caine and Melnyk claim that Moore interviewed Smith on camera twice. But the scenes were left on the cutting room floor, apparently for greater dramatic effect.
Manufacturing Dissent includes a long catalogue of alleged exaggerations or distortions in several of Moore’s films. In Bowling for Columbine, a scathing indictment of US gun violence, Moore visited Toronto to show parts of the city that were supposedly so free of crime everyone left their front doors unlocked.
“In the film, Michael makes it look as though 100% of the doors were unlocked, but his local producer told us it was really only 40%,” said Caine.
Caine and Melnyk said they had hoped to interview Moore about his views on how much editing was acceptable before a factual documentary turned into misleading propaganda.
“We had met him at a premiere of the Columbine film in Toronto, and he said, ‘Oh yes, talk to my people and they’ll set something up’,” said Caine. “We then called his people and they said he’s not doing any more interviews in Toronto. We had his e-mail, we sent a letter to his lawyers, we had his phone number in New York. But each time he said no.”
Then Caine and Melnyk began to run into open hostility. Eventually, in a scene that might have come from Roger & Me, they were bundled out of an event at Kent State University, where Moore’s sister, Anne, knocked aside Caine’s camera.
Moore is reportedly editing his next film, Sicko, about the US healthcare system, and a spokesman said he had no comment on Manufacturing Dissent. On his website he dismissed critics of Bowling for Columbine as “lying liars” and claimed that “organised groups [are] going full blast trying to discredit me”.
Yet Caine and Melnyk insist they should not be confused with the right-wing hordes who want to damage Moore.
“If you have to sell out your values and principles to get at a greater truth, where does that leave you?” said Melnyk.
“If we think it’s wrong for the government to lie and manipulate, how do we think that [left-wingers] doing it is the solution?”
Regards, Ivan
Ping!
Most hilariously....yesterday's NYSlimes issues a correction about the famous, infamous, photo of the polar bears on the ice. They state that they're sorry for misattributing the picture to the wrong artist.
No mention of the deliberate misrepresentation of what the polar bears were doing on the ice floes.
Thanks to Michael Moore, I think that Roger Smith is a great American.
Further proof that truth to the left is that which advances their goals.
Factuality is irrelevant.
Its this comfort with lying and not being called up on it that makes the parasitic left just so much more dangerous. The only way the core left can obtain votes in this country is if they could hide their real agenda just long enough to gain control. Nobody in their right mind would vote for them once they knew the leftist agenda.
it worked in the last election like a charm.
The only place it didn't was here in Tennessee where we held the line. One of the best things a number of us did, inclujding your truly, was get letters to the editor published showing what a fraud Harold Ford, Jr. was when he ran for the Senate trying to look like a conservative.
Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life
Dean Wormer
Animal House
A prophecy for Michael Moore
Moore is right, they aren't liberals...liberals would never ask such a question. Hypocrisy is a core tenant of the dem world view...for them.
All Moore has done is revise documentaries as propaganda in a way that hasn't been seen since Leni Riefenstahl.
This has been done before in Michael Moore Hates America
Michael Moore is a 'director and star', but people who criticize him are his 'right-wing enemies'?
Very true!
- The AP said they gave Moore 4 1/2 minutes of President Bush sitting in the classroom when he got the news of 9/11. Moore extended it to 7 minutes. The 9/11 Report actually says: "4 1/2 - 7 minutes."
- Moore said the Saudis were flown out of the USA during the period when the planes were grounded. The 9/11 Report and the FAA say no planes left the USA during the grounded period.
- Moore showed an oil pipeline actually in the process of being built in Afghanistan and said that Halliburton was building it and that was the reason for the war in Afghanistan. No pipeline was ever built by Halliburton or started by Halliburton in Afghanistan.
- Moore showed some members of the Taliban in the USA in 1998 and tried to make it look like they were meeting with Bush and Halliburton. In actuality, the Taliban were allowed into the USA by Clinton's State Department and they were not meeting Bush nor Halliburton but rather UNOCAL. UNOCAL blew off the idea of a pipeline in Afghanistan in 1998.
There is more fraud in that movie of his but that's a good sample of what a low-life he is.
Well he did sit next to Jammey Carter at a recent deocRAT convention. Now I realize they must have been sitting in the Fact-Fudger section of the gallery. (Of course the rest of the auditorium was dived among sections for Outright Liars, Enablers, Mercenary Attack Dogs and Misguided Twits).
Jacqueri: Further proof that truth to the left is that which advances their goals.
Well said. IOW to the left their goals are "a greater truth" just because they are their goals.
I agree that we may have the opportunity to welcome them into the light.
And there was Ann Coulter on with Donny Deutch of the Big Show.......telling him she wished Harold Ford was a republican so she could vote for him. She was just so impressed with Harold Ford.
Moore was, is and forever will be just another propagandist.
Moore is nothing more than an inheritor of the mantles of Soviet disinformation and NAZI subterfuge.
"The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly... it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister
"Propaganda must not serve the truth especially not insofar as it might bring out something favorable for the opponent."
- Adolf Hitler
Very well said.
The world can never have enough disappointed and disillusioned former leftists.
Fat Boy lives on Torch Lake in MI and is seen through out that area. Hunt him down with a camera.
Maybe a FReeper fishing tournament on Torch Lake would be fun. Freep him from off shore. LOL!
I have missed him a few times when I was at my mother-in-laws but I will continue to hunt.
PLUS...if you know anything about guns or the NRA...you know how that fat tub of LARD lied in "Bowling for Columbine". Now, he COULD have made a meaningful documentary about the legendary failures of the responding Littleton SWAT team...but Noooooo!
Wow!! now there's news
I am beginning to think there are a few who are supposedly on our side who are as big a frauds as Michael Moore.
Where's the full transcript or video?
I'll believe it when I see it.
Perhaps you missed her sarcasm?
A phrase that has been repeated over and over by the left, is calling people "liars". It's gotten to the point that calling someone a "liar" is meaningless. George Bush I think is one of the few politicians that does not lie, yet the left has made it "common knowledge" that the intelligence communities mistakes about Iraqi WMD are now solely "Bush's lies".
I think there's a pattern here. Bill Clinton *is* a liar. A genuine, in your face, "I did not have sex with that woman" liar. I think the constant accusations that Bush lies, and statements like from the Hollywood democrat against Hillary the other day, that "all politicians lie", has defined the deviancy of lying down to where it is almost meaningless. People no longer care about the genuine lies of the Clintons, because "all politicians lie".
An honest politician now has no chance. Truth telling in politics is now meaningless.
This mantra I think was started by the Clintons against Bush as payback against the deserved attacks against Bill and his lying. But it's gotten a life of it's own now.
moore is a propagandist packaged in a used hefty bag
Well, close. A crockumentarian.
Are these people morons? When I saw Roger and Me I thought it was hilarious--and I saw it time after time--but it was obvious from the first clip what Michael Moore was doing.
I used to think I was of average intelligence, but people like this make me think maybe I'm some kind of genius or something.
Thankfully, the voters in Tennessee knew better than Ann about Harold Ford.
Canada ping.
Please send me a FReepmail to get on or off this Canada ping list.
One of the cables replayed Ann referring to Harriet Meiers as the cleaning lady.
What class!
Now they need to do a similar documentary on "A Convenient Lie."
When is the planned release of this movie? Dime to donuts its next summer, leading up to the elections... and one Dem candidate will use the movie as a propaganda piece to get voters to support universal (socialist) healthcare.
Words of wisdom for Michael Moore:
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Still won't believe it unless I see it.
Can you provide a transcript or video clip?
My Dad lives in TN, and though there is no way he'd vote for a dem, especially a fake like Ford, he wasn't a big fan of Corker either.
If Ann appeared to show favor towards Ford, maybe it was in contrast to what she thought about Corker?
I'm shocked! Moore lied!
This is a little OT, but it made me laugh.
A Texan, a Frenchman & a Canadian are out riding horses.
The Texan pulls out an expensive bottle of whiskey, takes a shot, then another, & suddenly throws the bottle in the air, pulls out his gun & shoots the bottle in mid air.
The Canadian looks at him & says, "What are you doing?! That was a perfectly good bottle of whiskey!"
The Texan says, "In Texas, there's plenty of whiskey & bottles are cheap."
A while later, not wanting to be outdone, the Frenchman pulls out a bottle of champagne, takes a few sips, throws the bottle in the air, pulls out his gun & shoots it.
The Canadian can't believe this & says, "What did you do that for? That was an expensive bottle of Champagne!"
The Frenchman says "In France there's plenty of Champagne & bottles are cheap."
So a while later the Canadian pulls out a bottle of beer, He opens it, takes a sip, takes another sip, & then chugs the rest. He then puts the bottle back in his saddlebag, pulls out his gun, turns around & shoots the Frenchman.
The Texan, shocked, says, "Why did you do that?"
The Canadian says, "Well... in Canada, we've got plenty of Frenchmen, but beer bottles are worth a dime.
Its this comfort with lying and not being called up on it that makes the parasitic left just so much more dangerous.
News flash lardass. One needs to be credible before they can be "discredited."
Odd article -- suggest that Moore only has "right-wing enemies".
I'm not "right wing" and I think Moore is a lousy filmmaker.
Do you have a concise list with more falsehoods in that movie?
Thanks.
LOL!
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