Posted on 02/28/2007 2:32:35 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
First you explain how the chart in my post #112 shows Dubya's devotion to protecting our borders?
"First you explain how the chart in my post #112 shows Dubya's devotion to protecting our borders?"
What does that have to do with whether the R&C shoot was good? Isn't that what we were talking about? Are you saying the R&C shoot was good in any situation because we have a border problem?
You only reinforce my belief that many BPA supporters are unconcerned with the legal and constitutional ramifications of LEO's shooting suspects and only care about using this issue to drive your border agenda.
No one is saying the border situation isn't dreadful but to throw away our rule of the law and constitutional priciples to push an adjacent agenda, well, shame on you.
At the time of my retirement, the 'Miranda' aspect came into play when the suspect felt he wasn't free to walk away. Obviously, having been retired for a few years, it could have changed.
Your refusal to 'engage' on the issues of the Chart per post #112 shows you cannot/ will not see the big picture, hence ANYTHING this Administration does is okay with you.
Ironically, if these BP guys were charged with shooting the drug smuggler because he didn't bribe then, then I would certainly want them to do more time than the worst Jap POW camp commander.
In the grand scheme of things, Bush don't want these BP folks or law enforcement to do their jobs.
This bogus prosecution of the BP plus that deputy Sheriff, all Latino individuals, by the way, is certainly going to chill everyone's attitude.
Bush has show numerous times, that the wealth of a few of his supporters is a higher priority than the security of the nation he took an oath to defend.
Do yourself a favor; find in the transcripts where Kanof was trying to force the Defense team to bring in OAD as their witness.
If that don't strike you as dirty pool, then nothing will.
In your world everyone is dirty. Bush, the JD, the DHS, the prosecutors, the judge, the jury, the other BP agents, the BP supervisors, the victim, the witnesses. This was one gigantic conspiratorial scam to get more lawn mowers and maids into the US.
The only clean people in your book is R&C, the two agents convicted of tring to kill a suspect for no good reason.
Let's back up to the crooked Sheriff I discussed in a earlier post.
If you don't believe me, fine, Google "Floyd Tidwell" and see for yourself.
Now this erstwhile noble public servant is believe to have stolen over a thousand guns from his department's evidence locker.
After quibbling about the statue of limitations, both sides agreed he was only responsible for about 550 guns. All of which he admitted taking. It's been a while since I had follow up info, but Tidwell was in procession of about 25 guns, including the machine gun for which Bush's US Attorney gave him a pass for.
When the fit hit the sand, another 80 to 90 were turned in by members of the public who he had given these guns to.
So let's give that crook the benefit of the doubt, there is still about 800 to 875 stolen guns floating around out there.
If you ever been in the LEO biz, you would find it strange that not even ONE of these missing guns has had law enforcement - BATF contact, i.e. it's never been pawned, picked up at a crime scene, been sold by a legitimate gun dealer, nothing, it's like they dropped off the face of the earth ...
Have you ever noted when a gun dealer calls in for a approval of a sale, they also read in the serial number?
And all of these guns are entered in NCIC and CLETS, sump'in wrong ... unless you know where the guns went.
I'm going to stop now as I did promise sinkspur some minor factoids to think over concerning the Project Jade, Operation Screw Worm, Operation Centaur Rose. ( (Just screwing with Echlon) r
And what does this have to do with whether R&C made a good shoot that day?
Oh, and those lawn mowers and motel maids are going to get US citizenship (along with a ton of welfare bennies)
Any guess which party they're going to vote for?
Oh, and those lawn mowers and motel maids are going to get US citizenship (along with a ton of welfare bennies)
Any guess which party they're going to vote for?
"You're the one who brought in the grassy knoll stuff?"
Yes, but in case you missed it I was hoping for less, not more.
As for the shooting that day, one of the BP tussled with the drug smuggler and the adrenalin was running high.
One of those guys fired his pistol till he thought the threat was gone, and one joined in, also thinking harm was immediate. A judgment call on their part.
Prolly not the best in the annuals of law enforcement, they both definitely need more range time.
So here comes the Attorney General, backed by his boss who really don't believe in borders, and they gotta make a statement.
And Yes I'm laying this at the feet of GWB, the use of the SWAT Team shows how far up the chain this turkey goes. Then we add in a judge who did most of her work in family law... kind of gets an attitude towards men, all men, but in general men who's wives have called LEO's to their residence to settle family fusses.
So this judge allows the drug smuggler to tell the jury what a poor misunderstood boy he is. He just wanted money to get his poor mamacita some medicine.
Who knows, maybe even the judge felt sorry for him .. after all he's a good boy! Look what's he doing for his mama!
In my reading of the transcript, I see her allowing the Prosecutor just about everything she wants.
Now we add in the 90+ 'sealed' items? So now we don't know what all has happened?
So we are going to have to agree to disagree. (and BTW, my inner lesbian dictates I wear Doc Martin boots, straight leg Levi's, and Pendleton shirts. After twenty years of suits and ties, it feels good ;^)
Also note that those of us with snail-like dial-up connections often just pass on getting the rest of the story, not having time left on this Earth.
After that post you don't want to know what I think. So as you said, let's agree to disagree.
Of course we are going to have different perspectives... I wonder if you'd walked a mile in my shoes would you still hold your present views?
Shoot me a FReepmail for more details.....?
If not I'll just do a victory lap in the Truthmobile and wave as I go ;^0
Well, you believe the shoot was good and I believe it was bad so there isn't much us for us to discuss. i don't want to talk conspiracies, not that they aren't out there but some people use them as an excuse for anything they don't agree with...which I think that is crazy.
They don't provide any supporting evidence or documentation, just throw phrases out like "What about the grassy knoll" or "LBJ wanted to be President" or "The CIA hated Kennedy" as if those phrases on their own constitute anything more than a speculation. You are encouraged to "connect the dots" but they won't connect the dots for you because they know how nutty they would sound if they did.
BTW - Agreeing to disagree is not justification for a victory dance.
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