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Mediaeval Muslims made stunning math breakthrough
Scotsman ^ | 22-Feb-07 | Will Dunham

Posted on 02/22/2007 6:15:51 PM PST by xcamel

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To: ohioWfan
Bach certainly did. His was the music of mathematical genius.

No doubt there's often a correlation between musical and mathematical talent, at least when it comes to Western music and it's unique interplay of harmony and counterpoint. However, the mathematics of string theory is equally unlikely to suddenly surface in the medieval Germany of Bach as is Roger Penrose's mathematics in 15th century Iran. The title of the original article, "Mediaeval Muslims made stunning math breakthrough", is just the kind of fluff which underlies the bigotry of low expectations one expects from contemporary 'liberals'.

141 posted on 02/22/2007 7:44:13 PM PST by Aikonaa
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To: paulat

Indeed.


142 posted on 02/22/2007 7:47:37 PM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: El Gato
I look like a rather large Neanderthal, but less hairy.

LOL, The invention of the razor and depilatory cream allows you to pass as one of us.8-)
143 posted on 02/22/2007 7:50:13 PM PST by redheadtoo
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Thread is a more accurate term.


144 posted on 02/22/2007 7:52:02 PM PST by davisfh
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
A lot of freepers here don't seem willing to recognize that Muslims did contribute to science.

What's remarkable is the relative dearth of Islamic contributions to those of almost any other religion on the face of the planet. People get all smug when they find something that Muslims didn't **** up. Well, yippee.
145 posted on 02/22/2007 7:52:15 PM PST by newguy357
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To: Aikonaa
the medieval Germany of Bach

Your statement may sound educated, but you are about 300 years off in your attribution of Bach to medieval Germany.

1685- 1750......Baroque. His music is far more advanced than you may know. Have you ever analyzed a Bach fugue? Sheer genius.

146 posted on 02/22/2007 7:52:25 PM PST by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops!!)
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To: paulat
Zero of your time?

If you are of the temperment that the Arabs did great things in mathematics, then I could see your discontent with my post.

I suppose that I don't really care all that much, but still, it is a bit curious about just what your interest is in the subject.
147 posted on 02/22/2007 7:53:21 PM PST by Radix
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Napoleon's soldiers blew up part of the Parthenon.

I thought it was somebody else, but it's of no matter.

Had the Romans (and others) not burned the library at Alexandria (several times), we'd know a hell of a lot more about what the world knew and didn't know before Mohammed showed up.

I'd vote for that as possibly the single greatest crime in the history of the world. A tremendous setback. It's completely imponderable what things had to be re-discovered perhaps centuries later. Perhaps some things that haven't yet been re-discovered. Who knows?

I suppose that it's likely a moot point. If it hadn't already been burned, Mohammed might likely have been the one to do it anyway. :-)

148 posted on 02/22/2007 7:55:36 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: Ramius
Even though Galen did certain radical things in surgery back in the 2nd century or so, he still, effectively held back medical progress for more than a thousand years.
149 posted on 02/22/2007 7:57:56 PM PST by Radix
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To: ohioWfan

Medieval or not, Bach still didn't have the education nor the tools to formally understand the math which may underlie his beautiful music. Under different circumstances, he might have been a brilliant mathematician, no doubt.


150 posted on 02/22/2007 8:00:33 PM PST by Aikonaa
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To: Radix
I suppose that I don't really care all that much, but still, it is a bit curious about just what your interest is in the subject.

"There are something like ten million million million million million million million million million million million million million million (1 with eighty zeroes after it) particles in the region of the universe that we can observe. Where did they all come from? The answer is that, in quantum theory, particles can be created out of energy in the form of particle/antiparticle parts. But that just raises the question of where the energy came from. The answer is that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero. The matter in the universe is made out of positive energy. However, the matter is all attracting itself by gravity.

"Two pieces of matter that are close to each other have less energy than the same two pieces a long way apart, because you have to expend energy to separate them against the gravitational force that is pulling them together. Thus in a sense, the gravitational field has negative energy. In the case of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy represented by the matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero.

"Now twice zero is also zero. Thus the universe can double the amount of positive matter energy and also double the negative gravitational energy without violation of the conservation of energy.

"It is said that there's no such thing as a free lunch. But the universe is the ultimate free lunch."

--Stephen Hawking

151 posted on 02/22/2007 8:00:47 PM PST by paulat (I'd rather vote for somebody WHO CAN ACTUALLY BE ELECTED...than somebody NOT....)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
A lot of freepers here don't seem willing to recognize that Muslims did contribute to science.

Sad isn't it. Using that logic, we might as well write off German innovation in the sciences and arts because of the Nazis, Chinese inventions and culture because of Mao or even American culture and ingenuity because of Adam Sandler.

152 posted on 02/22/2007 8:03:43 PM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: xcamel

It just supports the old story that if you put an infinite number om monkeys in a room with an infinite number of typewriters they will eventually type in every geat work of literature every written.
Well here are the monkeys.


153 posted on 02/22/2007 8:04:17 PM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: gotribe; All
"They had zero inventions."

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154 posted on 02/22/2007 8:06:21 PM PST by musicman
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To: Aikonaa
Aha, so now we're talking about 'formal' understanding and not the reality of the situation.

I see............sort of like you have no 'formal' understanding about Bach.

155 posted on 02/22/2007 8:06:26 PM PST by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops!!)
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To: BuffaloJack
That statement is pretty much as openly racist as I've seen on FR.

Was that just by accident, or did you do it on purpose?

156 posted on 02/22/2007 8:07:53 PM PST by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops!!)
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To: paulat
I never did finish Steven Hawking's book on Time.

I swore that I would, but the man was simply too eclectic for me.

When I consider thermodynamics..."Drrr, not often" I wonder all about that entropy stuff, and where energy goes when we are not using it. You know important stuff like that, I wonder just how one guy can be so bright.

The very first Course I ever took in Physics, was Astronomy.

I took it as a sort of lark. I figured it would be easy, looking through telescopes and such.

Gosh, did I get burnt in that one.

I worked my butt off just to get a "C."

It was a difficult Course, but I learned a lot from it. A bit more than zero.

Hawking surprised me with his book. Prior, I thought that I could do anything. Any course, any day, any time. I was unable to finish that book. I was too dumb.

Can you recognize the humility in me that I got from that silly Astronomy Course?

I am better for it.
157 posted on 02/22/2007 8:13:44 PM PST by Radix
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To: Androcles
Using that logic, we might as well write off German innovation in the sciences and arts because of the Nazis, Chinese inventions and culture because of Mao or even American culture and ingenuity because of Adam Sandler.

Hitler and Mao were in power for a very short time - whereas mohammad, to muslims, rules from the 7th century until forever. The koran and hadith have ruled every thought and action of muslims for 1400 years. Germany and China regressed under Hitler and Mao, but it was a temporary regression. Islam is permanently regressive. btw, I'm an aussie, I have no idea who Adam Sandler is.

158 posted on 02/22/2007 8:15:09 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: ohioWfan
Was that just by accident, or did you do it on purpose?

Are you kidding?!? Every news article posted here that states medieval Islamic scientists contributed anything to Western civilization is met with comments like that or just short of it. I've seen worse, even been directed to a site or two that was junk revisionist history if not flat out racism

159 posted on 02/22/2007 8:21:13 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: ohioWfan
Aha, so now we're talking about 'formal' understanding and not the reality of the situation.

The subject at hand here, mathematics, is by definition about formalisms.

160 posted on 02/22/2007 8:21:21 PM PST by Aikonaa
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