Is the American Right ready for Rudy?

Guardian ^ | 02/10/07

[BunnySlippers]

But that analysis may be too simple. In Delaware Giuliani is asked for the umpteenth time if his views on 'social issues' would be fatal to his presidential ambitions. 'I don't get to decide what the issues are. But they are not usually the ones you think they are going to be,' he says. He is right. National security will still be the overwhelming issue of 2008. Giuliani's strong credentials there could make up for weaknesses elsewhere. There are also signs that his problems with the conservatives could be overstated. First, their power is waning. In 2006's congressional elections the Democrats' most notable scalps were conservative heroes such as Senators Rick Santorum and George Allen. Secondly, Giuliani's outreach campaign to that wing of the party has already notched some notable wins. In the key state of Iowa, which votes first in the nomination race, he has been received warmly. He has held a huge fundraiser in the heart of Texas and delivered a keynote convention speech to the notoriously rightwing California Republican Party. But the greatest thing in his favour is simply his career so far. Giuliani has been constantly underestimated and written off. Yet he has always come through. Even his critics admit it would be madness to rule him out. 'He's capable of pulling it off,' says Paul Moses. 'He could be the next president.'

Back in Miami, Giuliani milks the crowd. He talks at length about Iraq and the challenges that America faces in the world. He appeals to Democrats and Republicans alike with a muscular optimism that will surely form the core message of any coming campaign. It is brave talk and it is honest talk.

[BunnySlippers]

Tge Guardian must be excerpted. Great article!

[BunnySlippers]

((((( PING PING PING )))))

THIS IS THE RUDY PING LIST

Let me know if you want on or off

[Danae]

Better a RINO than a Democrat. Push comes to shove, we are better off with someone who holds MOST of our values, rather than none at all.

[BunnySlippers]

Just missed by by a minute. :)

[NorCalRepub]

.....I've been undecided on here for the most part but posting articles from "The Guardian"....liberal trash tabloid that it is might not be the best comparison..LOL. just a thought......*smile*

[Lancey Howard]

BUMP what you said.

[Hydroshock]

We are ready for him alright. Ready to vote down this liberal rino infavor or a conservative.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

The NY MSM want their favorite Male? and Female? to be the only choice for POTUS!

They can have a socialist with a D by ITS name or a democrat with an R by ITS name.

Win, win for MSM, loss, loss by the Country!

[mr_hammer]

Hell no!

[cdcdawg]

No, not until it's him against Hillary. Then yes, for me.

[fatnotlazy]

"We are ready for him alright. Ready to vote down this liberal rino infavor or a conservative."

***

Ok, but who?

To be honest, I'm not enthralled with any candidate or potential candidate, Republican, Socialst Democrat or otherwise.

[papertyger]

Better a RINO than a Democrat. Push comes to shove, we are better off with someone who holds MOST of our values, rather than none at all.

Better to let your husband run around than have him leave, huh?

[areafiftyone]

I just freepmailed you with important info to keep for your Rudy Records! EUREKA!! LOL!

[babaloo]

I like the phrase "muscular optimism". Nagging and negativism does not inspire people to vote.

[Mike Darancette]

The question really is: Is the Right ready for Hillary?

[BunnySlippers]

I wish more people on our side would think of that. But, NNNNOOOOOO ... the are obsessed by Rudy.

[BunnySlippers]

Thank you, A51!!!

[LtdGovt]

We are ready for him alright. Ready to vote down this liberal rino infavor or a conservative.

Yeah, in favor of a conservative like Hillary.

[Prokopton]

we are better off with someone who holds MOST of our values,

Rudy holds almost none of my values, but then again, I don't expect him to, I'm conservative, he's a liberal.

[sappy]

me too.

[papertyger]

The question really is: Is the Right ready for Hillary?

I'd rather spend the next four years with Hillary under the microscope than signal my party a RINO is an acceptable alternative.

[OB1kNOb]

Whether Rudy or Hitlery wins in 2008, it's a victory for the Liberali either way. A choice of defeat for conservatism by degree or in toto. As for me, I'll put every ounce of effort I can muster to push Duncan Hunter into the GOP slot for 2008.

[Lancey Howard]

Rudy is the greatest thing since sliced bread. He will make a fantastic President and Commander in Chief. I wish the election was tomorrow so I could stay awake all night waiting for the polls to open so I could vote for him.

[Redcloak]

Better a RINO than a Democrat.

Actually, we'd be better off with a Democrat. At least with a Democrat, you know what to expect. RINOs, on the other hand, are flighty. Maybe Rudy will stab you in the back today and maybe he won't. Who knows?! With Hillary, you know going in that she's got the dagger in her hand.

(Or to quote an old Klingon proverb: Keep your friends close; but, keep your enemies closer.)

[BunnySlippers]

o stop insulting your oponents.

Heed your own words!

[Calpernia]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1786743/posts?page=1
Is the American Right Ready for Rudy?
UK Observer ^ | Sunday February 18, 2007


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1786743/posts
Is the American Right Ready for Rudy?
UK Observer ^ | Sunday February 18, 2007

[Calpernia]

::answer is still no::

[Hydroshock]

She is about as conservative as Rino Rudy. Neither will get my vote.

[imahawk]

Do you mind telling me exactly what those most values are please?

[BunnySlippers]

Thanks for the bump!

[imahawk]

That was blistering and right on

[twonie]

OK. We are up to post #17, and no chart has appeared. It's not right!

[My2Cents]

"Is the American right ready to be realistic and pragmatic?" would be the better question.

[papertyger]

Do you mind telling me exactly what those most values are please?

If someone did that it would be a discussion and not a campaign, now wouldn't it?

[twonie]

Never saw Bunnyslippers deal harshly with anyone, ever.

[BunnySlippers]

No, they want HILLARY!!!
Just look at how they put their heads in the sand!

[gpapa]

From the Advocate, US-based national gay and lesbian newsmagazine

 

So it was a big loss to the gay and lesbian voters -- and queer Republicans in particular -- when Giuliani withdrew from the Senate race last Friday. In his six years as mayor, Giuliani has racked up one of the most impressive gay rights records in the nation, often going against his own party to do so. The man who is likely to take his place as the Republican nominee, Rep. Rick Lazio of Long Island, has a less established record on these issues. While he has supported some GLBT-positive legislation (his district includes Fire Island, after all), most of his votes have been cast against gay rights.

 

[Fawn]

Rudy on H & C Part 1

Rudy on H & C Part 2

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- Rudy tossed Arafat out of a city sponsored celebrations saying, "I would rather not have someone who has been implicated in the murders of Americans there, if I have the discretion not to have him there”.
- Rudy did the same to Fidel Castro.
- When a Saudi prince donated millions to 9/11 relief efforts and later suggested that United States policy in the Middle East may have been partially responsible for the attacks, Rudy returned the money.
- Rudy refused to meet with racial arsonist Al Sharpton.
- Rudy as mayor was strong on law and order. Rudy said that "government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering". And Rudy backed this all up by going after both quality-of-life crimes and serious crimes. Total crime went down by some 64 percent during the Giuliani years, and murder went down 67 percent. Auto thefts went down on average about 80,000 per year.
- Rudy supported the police when the police had to enter and deal with Muslims at a mosque.
- Rudy closed down many porn shops across the city and specifically shutdown porn shops in residential neighborhoods.
- Rudy went after both low level and high level drug dealers for the first time in the cities history.
- Rudy had zero tolerance for quality of life crimes such as squeegee extortionists, graffiti vandals, panhandling and public urination.
- Rudy launched a welfare revolution, removing illegal recipients, cutting the rolls by 20% the first year alone and dropping the welfare rolls by 600,000 over the course of his plan.
- Rudy launched a work requirement program for the remaining welfare recipients. the NY Times called it slavery.
- Rudy constantly spoke out against illegitimacy and fatherless families. One of many things that Rudy said on the subject was the following: " If you wanted a social program that would really save these kids, . I guess the social program would be called fatherhood.
" - Rudy objected to affirmative action. Rudy ended the cities set-aside program for minority contractors.
- Rudy rejected the idea of lowering the job requirement standards for minorities and woman. - Rudy said. "it was unfair to expect middle-class kids to work their way through college by holding down jobs and going to classes while exempting students on welfare from working.
" - Rudy reformed the public school system and forced out liberal chancellors who wouldn't install his reforms.
- Rudy tried to privatize 5 of the cities worst public schools.
- Rudy was for school vouchers Rudy said, "The whole notion of choice is really about more freedom for people, rather than being subjugated by a government system that says you have no choice about the education of your child,".
- Rudy fought against public money for an art display that defiled Christ and he fought against other obscene so-called works of art.
- Rudy played hardball with city unions winning concessions from city workers that other mayors had failed to do.
- Rudy strong armed state leaders to merge the cities Housing Police and Transit Police into the NYPD saving the city hundreds of millions. Rudy did this by threatening to fire every housing and transit officer and rehire each as a city cop if legislative leaders did not go along.
- Rudy did the same with the city’s garbageman, many of whom worked only half days because the department was so overstaffed with union jobs. Rudy won $300 million in savings from them by threatening to contract out trash collection to private companies.
- Rudy cut or killed 23 levies and taxes, saving taxpayers $9.8 billion during his terms.
- Rudy cut NYC's top income-tax rate by 20.6%.
- Local NYC taxes on a family of four dropped 23.7% during Rudy's term.
- Rudy cut the commercial-rent tax.
- Rudy cut sales taxes, including taxes on clothing.
- Rudy cut the marriage penalty on taxpaying couples.
- Rudy cut taxes on commercial rents everywhere outside of Manhattan’s major business districts, and various taxes on small businesses and self-employed New Yorkers.
- Rudy's expenditure growth averaged 2.9% annually, while local inflation between January 1994 and December 2001 averaged 3.6%.
- Rudy privatized municipal assets.
- Rudy sold WNYC radio for $20 million, WNYC-TV for $207 million, and NYC's share of the U.N. Plaza Hotel for $85 million.
- Rudy divested the City from the New York Coliseum adding $345 million to city coffers.
- Rudy let the private Central Park Conservancy manage Central Park.
- Rudy cut NYC's hotel tax from 6% to 5%. Consequently, hotel tax revenues increased from $135 million in Fiscal Year 1995 to $239 million in FY 2001.
- When asked if Rudy would raise taxes after 9/11 Rudy said that would be "a dumb, stupid, idiotic, and moronic thing to do.
" - A quote from Rudy on his economic philosophy: “City government should not and cannot create jobs through government planning. The best it can do, and what it has a responsibility to do, is to deal with its own finances first, to create a solid budgetary foundation that allows businesses to move the economy forward on the strength of their energy and ideas. After all, businesses are and have always been the backbone of New York City.
” - Construction permits increased by more than 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.
- Tourism increased 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.
- City jobs increased by 430,000 to an all time high of 3.72 million during Rudy's terms.
- City personal income increased 50% during Rudy's terms.
- The percentage income that city residence paid in taxes declined from 8.8 to 7.3 percent during Rudy's terms.
- Unemployment in the city went form 10.3% to 5.1% during Rudy's terms.
- Rudy was an outstanding leader during the 9/11 crisis.
- Rudy has been a strong supporting in our WOT including supporting the mission in Iraq.
- Rudy was chosen by Ronald Reagan in 1981 as an Associate Attorney General placing him in the third highest position in the Reagan's DOJ.
- In 1983, Rudy was appointed by Reagan to be U.S. Attorney for the SD of NY. In that position, Rudy amassed 4,152 convictions including the heads of NY's so-called "Five Families". Rudy also prosecuted terrorists and illegal immigrants.

[Fawn]

Thanks for posting.

[beltfed308]

I suggested some tweaks and hope that he's too busy doing them right now.

[Antoninus]

Hey, if the neo-marxist Guardian is writing puff pieces for Rudy, how can we fail? /sarc

You people really do think we're stupid, don't you?

[Hydroshock]

On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.


The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF RUDY GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS

[ASA Vet]

"How many Freepers actually believe this hogwash?" Jim Robinson

[MilesBennell]

We are ready for him alright. Ready to vote down this liberal rino infavor or a conservative.

Who's this WE, Kemo Sabe.

[papertyger]

Just look at how they put their heads in the sand!

That's not putting our heads in the sand...

It's not letting YOU put our heads in the sand.

[BunnySlippers]

They prefer HILLARY!!!!

[Antoninus]

"Is the American right ready to be realistic and pragmatic?" would be the better question.

But the best question of all is: "Is the American Right stupid enough to fall for a snake-oil salesman like Rudy Giuliani."

[imahawk]

No doubt, kinda telling aint it.

[MilesBennell]

You people really do think we're stupid, don't you?

Not really stupid, but you have to admit...Hunter has to get on board soon or he'll miss the flight.

I wish a social conservative were leading in the polls, but so far, that's just not happening. And, for the sake of our troops, the democrats must not win.