C-20 twin-engine aircraft
Posted on 02/16/2007 8:27:53 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is proving once again that the Democrat label of “party of the people” is simply that: a label. Now, the San Francisco liberal is complaining about the size of the House speaker’s jet and requesting one much larger than Republican Dennis Hastert was provided.
As noted in a FOX News story, following the attacks of September 11, 2001, “the Pentagon agreed to provide the House speaker, who is second in the line of presidential succession, with a military plane for added security during trips back home.”
C-20 twin-engine aircraft
Republican Dennis Hastert was the first speaker of the House to be provided with this service, and he used a commuter-style jet to get him back to his home in Illinois. The jet at his disposal was a C-20 twin-engine aircraft. House Speaker Pelosi has requested the use of a C-32 aircraft, which is the military equivalent of a Boeing 757.
According to a story in the Washington Times, that Pelosi’s staff “was pressing the Department of Defense for an Air Force aircraft large enough to fly nonstop to San Francisco. She also has pressed to be able to include other members of the California congressional delegation, her family members and her staff on the plane.”
Republicans have accused Pelosi of “extravagance” and of wanting a plane where she could reward friends and associates. The Washington Times reports that “the Pentagon denied a request by Mrs. Pelosi to fly on a military aircraft to last weekend’s Democratic retreat in Williamsburg, a two-hour drive from Washington.”
In order to counter the criticism from Republicans and to turn the story around, Pelosi is now blaming administration officials for twisting the story:
These “misrepresentations could be coming from the administration,” she told reporters yesterday.
“One would only have to wonder why,” she said, though adding that she did not suspect President Bush “because he has impressed upon me over and over again the need for me to have the security that I need.”
C-32 Military Aircraft
The Pentagon said yesterday that Pelosi would not be provided with the C-32 which is estimated to cost in excess of $22,000 per hour to operate. In a letter to the speaker, the Pentagon’s ruling “essentially limits her to the commuter plane used by former Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, which requires refueling to travel from Washington to Mrs. Pelosi’s San Francisco district. A second source, in the Bush administration, confirmed the contents of the letter.”
According to the Times, “the letter stipulates that the Air Force will only fly her between Washington and her San Francisco district and places limits on who can travel with her. ”
If there is one thing the voters made clear in November, it is that they are tired of politicians putting themselves over their constituents. They are elected to serve, not to be served. Pelosi has a long way to go to learn that lesson.
Can we get her to use the Space Shuttle? and just keep on going? Maybe THAT would be fine enough for Her Hoity-ness.
I would support shipping her UPS ground in a small cardboard box.
obviously you didn't read the article: the space shuttle would be too small for her :)
How 'bout making room in the .....first stage booster rocket. She'd have a blast in there.
Did they fix Ron Brown's plane yet? Maybe she could use that one.
Shouldn't she be worried about how much Blood for Oil she wastes?? Isn't she the one scaring everyone about Global Warning??
Pray for W and Our Troops
Our country has become a joke.
This is the speaker of the house? This speaker, the democrat senators and congressman are the type of whining socialist fairies we would make fun of if they were running France.
I liked Hannity's reference to 'Gulfstream liberals' instead of just limousine liberals. I hope the former term sticks to them like glue!
Ron Brown's plane was a 737, she wants a widebody.
The Troops aren't that important to Pelosi either,
their vote had to wait till her 'first hundred hours' was over.
You just don`t get it. Nancy has to have a plane that doesn`t need to stop in a military base for refueling. I mean, after todays vote, would she be safe on a military base? I hope not.
What's wrong with her broom? If her broom isn't working she can borrow Hillary's.
Nazi Pelosi needs a larger plane with full fuel tanks so the plane can be used by terrorists to slam into tall buildings
Let's activate the "Spruce Goose" for Speaker Pelosi..... she can have a nice big plane that can even land on water!!
Of course, it might not be the most reliable after 60 years of inactivity, and I don't know what its range might be....
http://www.sprucegoose.org/aircraft_artifacts/exhibits.html
An issue that generally seems to be left out of these discussions is that Pelosi's base in SF is 2,800 air miles from DC, versus Hastert's base in IL at 700 miles from DC.
Does 4 times the distance make it reasonable for this Speaker to use a larger and more comfortable plane?
I have no idea. I just think it odd that this rather significant fact is generally ignored in the stories.
I used to regularly fly across the country on business, and I can testify that an all day flight is highly wearing, when compared to a 2 hour flight.
WEATHER BALLOON
Range: C-20B, 4,250 miles (3,698 nautical miles) long-range; C-20H, 4,850 miles (4,220 nautical miles) long range.
It is 2,450 air miles from DC to Sodom by the Sea. The C-20 could probably fly non-stop from DC to Anchorage, AK.
If business men and women can make cross country flights in their small private jets EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR, then Nanny Peroshky shouldn't complain about the plane provided for her......after all she's all for the environment.....isn't she? Or does environmentalism only apply to us peons?
Gulfstream II / III / C-20 / SRA-1VIP Transport / Reconnaissance Platform
INFORMATION:
Designation: Gulfstream II / III / C-20 / SRA-1
Manufacturer: Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation - USA
Country: United States
Service Date: 1983
Type: VIP Transport / Reconnaissance Platform
Crew: 2 + 21
DIMENSIONS:
Length: 79.9 ft (24.36 m)
Wingspan: 68.8 ft (20.98 m)
Height: 24.5 ft (7.47 m)
Weight (Empty): 36,900 lbs (16,740 kg)
Weight (Loaded): 65,500 lbs (29,710 kg)
PERFORMANCE:
Powerplant: 2 x Rolls-Royce Spey Mark 511-8 turbofan engines generating 11,400lbs of thrust
Max Speed: 581.6 mph (936 km/h)
Max Range: 4,275 miles (6,880 km)
Service Ceiling: 45,000 ft (13,716 m)
Rate of Climb: 4,350 ft/min (1,325.88 m/min)
I just don't understand the issue with Queen Nancy. What a bitch.
Check out this site!
http://www.travelnotes.org/NorthAmerica/distances.htm
It states:
From San Francisco to Washington, DC is about 2840 miles
The witch could get there and almost all the back on the same tank of fuel. She'd be 1,405 miles short. Maybe, she could land in Kansas and just stay there.
I'm certainly under the impression that a Gulfstream III (C20B) is an extremely comfortable aircraft that most of us would really enjoy flying in :-).
Here are the specs:
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=87
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LEAVING ON A JET PLANE
"An issue that generally seems to be left out of these discussions is that Pelosi's base in SF is 2,800 air miles from DC, versus Hastert's base in IL at 700 miles from DC.
Does 4 times the distance make it reasonable for this Speaker to use a larger and more comfortable plane?
I have no idea. I just think it odd that this rather significant fact is generally ignored in the stories.
I used to regularly fly across the country on business, and I can testify that an all day flight is highly wearing, when compared to a 2 hour flight."
Sherman; Yeah, I fly quite a bit on domestic and international too. I agree it is a bit draining. I also am checked out to fly G-IIIs and IVs, and they have WAY more than enough range to fly non-stop from DC to SanFran. The book answer, based on max pax weight and full fuel is 3655nm (C20B/GIII) and 4220nm (C20H/GIV) depending on the how many pax (they would have to be pretty fat to affect a distance to SanFran). SanFran is about 3100nm from DC. Andrews AFB (the VIP transportation squadron at the heart of this question) flys C-20Bs and C-20Hs, which are G-IIIs and G-Ivs respectively.
This NOT about range or refueling, this is about using a freakin' large bodied airliner with seating for 80+ (it could hold 300+, but its modified with a meeting room, VIP area, comm suite, and other extravegant stuff, I've been on board the actual aircraft she's requesting) versus a 12-16 pax biz jet. This is FRAUD, plain and simple. Don't let her security argument complicate it.
Welcome to Free Republic, I see you are newbie.
No, she can't land in Kansas, unless she and Toto want to complete the trip in a tornado. Also, we have vagrancy laws that should keep her kind out of the state..
From the C20 specs:
General Characteristics
Primary Function: C-20B/H, special air and operational support airlift missions
Builder: Gulfstream Aerospace Corp.
Power Plant: C-20B, two Rolls-Royce Spey Mark 511-8 turbofan engines;C-20H, two Rolls-Royce Tay Mark 611-8 turbofan engines
Thrust: C-20B, 11,400 pounds each engine; C-20H, 13,850 pounds each engine
Length: C-20B, 83 feet, 2 inches (25.4 meters); C-20H, 88 feet, 4 inches (26.9 meters)
Height: 24 feet, 6 inches (7.5 meters)
Wingspan: 77 feet, 10 inches (23.7 meters)
Speed: 576 mph (501 nautical miles per hour) maximum
Maximum Takeoff Weight: C-20B, 69,700 pounds (31,610 kilograms); C-20H, 74,600 pounds (33,832 kilograms)
Range: C-20B, 4,250 miles (3,698 nautical miles) long-range; C-20H, 4,850 miles (4,220 nautical miles) long range
The plane can fly 3700-4200 nautical miles. Isn't that enough to get her saggy butt back to San Fransisco?
Wrong character. The reason she won't stop in Kansas is she is afraid a house will land on her.
Sorry Nancy,
I don't think you can get to California non-stop on a solar or ethanol powered jet. Good luck though!
The G-III has a range of 3698 nautical miles. But thats not figured with a full load or full crew. Or weather conditions. Fully loaded and crewed range might be in the 2500-2800 nm range.
Also every plane is different but you have to plan on reserves. So its quite possible that fully loaded on the G-III and weather conditions, that 2128 might not quite be able to make it, without refueling.
Now the C-37 is a G500/550 it has 6,000+nm range which fully loaded and crewed plus reserves gives you plenty from coast to coast.
Also the G550 costs about $5000 per hour versus the $22,000 per hour of the C-32.
Bush was talking about a padded cell.
she needs a bigger aircraft to carry her ever-expanding ego...
Thats what you'd call a wide body.
LOL!
Fly away!
Lol indeed, I thought you had flown the coop!!
The Gulfstream 500 also has a range of over 4000 miles.
Didn't you know? "Environmentalism", like taxes and what not, is only for the "little people"! (You know, stiffs like you and me!)
CA....
Pelosi wants the airplane because it is supposedly a security issue. Right after 9/11 - there was a lot of uncertainty. But much of that uncertainty has gone, as we have gathered intelligence and have reduced the risk of secret terrorist cells in the U.S.
Yet Pelosi is treating the entire situation as if Pres. Bush is over-reacting. If Pres. Bush is over-reacting - what is the security issue that Pelosi is worried about?
Pelosi's actions and votes suggest that there is NO security issue. Also, her votes would undermine our efforts to stop terrorists, and would make the nation less safe. She should be told that there is no way she should get an Air Force plane.
Mike
Now THAT'S funny!
You think this is bad? Wait until a Democrat is elected President in 2008.
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