The whole aim of practical politics," wrote H.L. Mencken in 1920, "is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
Posted on 02/14/2007 7:05:14 AM PST by IrishMike
Timothy Ball is no wishy-washy skeptic of global warming. The Canadian climatologist, who has a Ph.D. in climatology from the University of London and taught at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years, says that the widely propagated “fact” that humans are contributing to global warming is the “greatest deception in the history of science.”
Ball has made no friends among global warming alarmists by saying that global warming is caused by the sun, that global warming will be good for us and that the Kyoto Protocol “is a political solution to a nonexistent problem without scientific justification."
Needless to say, Ball strongly disagrees with the findings of the latest report from the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which on Feb. 2 concluded that it is “very likely” that global warming is the result of human activity.
The mainstream media would have us believe that the science of global warming is now settled by the latest IPCC report. Is it true?
Timothy Ball: No. It’s absolutely false. As soon as people start saying something’s settled, it’s usually that they don’t want to talk about it anymore. They don’t want anybody to dig any deeper. It’s very, very far from settled. In fact, that’s the real problem. We haven’t been able to get all of the facts on the table. The IPCC is a purely political setup.
(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...
An excellent interview.
In a word ....YES
One day last week Rush Limbaugh read the UN's report on the 10 most poluted places on Earth.
None here, a couple in China, 3 or 4 in Russia.
it is “very likely” that global warming is the result of human activity."
This is now the view of both the Bush administration and ExxonMobil.
Disgraceful.
"Exactly why is the worlds biggest polluter allowed to sign Kyoto but is completely free of all aspects of the Kyoto protocol and its wealth transfer scheme, is it because they are Communists?" ~ george76
"We report ...you decide":
On Global Warming: Follow the Money Indeed!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251458,00.html
Monday , February 12, 2007 By David Asman
At the United Nations, the Curious Career of Maurice Strong
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,250789,00.html
Thursday , February 08, 2007 By Claudia Rosett and George Russell
The whole aim of practical politics," wrote H.L. Mencken in 1920, "is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
If algore and friends wanted to clean up the environment..they should start in Russia, China, India...
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Absolutely BUT ............
cleanup paid for by US taxpayers
Russia for example, will be bringing on line many petroleum and gas refineries, making it the worlds second largest oil exporting country. How Russia managed to position itself- considering it was a major polluter before the soviet Unions collapse- as a country with excess green credits that it will be selling to Europe and western countries like Canada, receiving billions in transfer payments Is the scam of all scams.
It's no wonder why Russia suddenly reversed it's position on the Kyoto accord, which it originally opposed, rightly claiming that science did not support the claims. It still doesn't, but and that isn't what made Russia change it's position, it was the realization it would be able to receive huge amounts of money from the west that turned them from a loud and stubborn objector to a loud and insistent supporter of this scam.
For these countries to be recipients of unbelievable amounts of cash from the west because of their failures to meet CO2 reductions, impossible reductions that were designed to be unachievable in the first place, then to turn around and turn on their smoke stacks from their developing industries and coal plants coming on line to meet rapid growth some of these countries are experiencing, is jaw dropping ridiculous.
Why people are so blind to the idiocy of this accord if largely the media's fault, as they have been promoting this silliness from the beginning, damning anyone who opposes it while stifling the voices of those in the scientific community who flatly reject the "science" being claimed to support this false premise.
It wouldn't be the firt time MSM hid the workings of communist countries, and hid their attempts to disrupt and destroy western economies and policies.
I've been sounding off about that evil man for years, a high school dropout who ironically make his money in the oil patch. Nobody listens. Looks like he finally recieved a dinner place setting at the Bush ranch.
He's also the guy who created the new UN religion- Gaia worship- even going so far as to recreating an "ark of the covenant" ceremony.
This Kyoto accord has long tenticles that people don't realize, it reaches high into the elite of the elite, those who scheme to be the unelected world government.
It's also of interest to note that Maurice Strong was behind the Global-cooling hysteria of the seventies.
It didn't work, but no doubt was something he never gave up on, tweaking the basic plateform to become the much more scarier "Global warming".
How did he come across ?
I think that we are finally making some small progress against algaore and friends now.
Re: post #7: "At the United Nations, the Curious Career of Maurice Strong" - I've been sounding off about that evil man for years, a high school dropout who ironically make his money in the oil patch. ...He's also the guy who created the new UN religion- Gaia worship- even going so far as to recreating an "ark of the covenant" ceremony. .." ~ Nathan Zachary
Yes. You can add in other "scare specialists" like George Soros and Peter "Progressive Insurance" Lewis into the mix, too: http://www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/OT1204.pdf.
Continuing from my post #7 above, I will connect more of the dots below:
Dot #1: RealClimate.org ---[ the site of choice quoted by the "human-caused global warming" hysterics] -- is registered to Environmental Media Services.
Dot #2 EMS is a nonprofit front group for Fenton Communications.
Dot #3 Fenton Communications is a PR firm for environmentalist organizations.
Dot #4 The Tides Center [fka The Tides Foundation]
Environmental Media Services (EMS) is a Washington, D.C. based nonprofit organization that is "dedicated to expanding media coverage of critical environmental and public health issues". EMS was founded in 1994 by Arlie Schardt, a former journalist, former communications director for Al Gore's 2000 Presidental campaign, and former head of the Environmental Defense Fund during the 1970s.
Their primary activities include holding forums that bring scientists knowledgeable in current environmental issues together with journalists, providing web hosting and support for environmental issues sites like RealClimate, and providing recommendations to journalists trying to locate experts knowledgeable on environmental topics. They also issue press releases related to environmental issues and provide an aggregration service that disseminates recent news on environmental topics
EMS is closely allied with Fenton Communications, "the largest public interest communications firm in the [United States]", which specializes in providing public relations for nonprofit organizations dealing with public policy issues. The Washington branch of Fenton shares the same address as EMS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Media_Services
Environmental Media Services
Also known as a "project" of the Tides Center
1320 18th Street, NW, Suite 500, Washington, DC 20036,
Phone 202-463-6670 | Fax 202-463-6671 | Email ems@ems.org
http://www.activistcash.com/print.cfml?oid=110&loc=overview
The Truth About Tides :
57 Varieties of Radical Causes, Part I
By Ben Johnson
FrontPageMagazine.com | September 16, 2004
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15109
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Same 60's radical grifters, singing the same religious hymn --just a different stanza.
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Some Freepers think that posting the same information challenging the Global warming fraud too often is a bad thing, when everyone is constantly barraged by the "Kyoto" hysteria.
Here is my favorite article about this fraud, from his own country:
Human arrogance in the extreme, by the marginally intellectually functional.
It might make a nice movie, though, like earthquakes in New York, volcanoes in Los Angeles and an earth popsicle over a period of a few days.
My favorite is still The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes...
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And, this does not imply that the change would be for the better, only that it could be done.
By far, the most powerful technological tool that we have are "biologicals", specifically microorganisms. For example, a plankton bloom can warm ocean surface temperature over a wide area by a degree or two. Inconsequential you might think, except that such a temperature increase could increase the strength of a hurricane by two categories strengths. And yet, in turn, hurricanes significantly lower ocean temperatures.
An example of a "marginal" need is the ozone hole. In and of itself it is less a problem than the marginal increase in its size. So the problem is not patching the entire hole, just slightly reducing it. Theoretically, this could be done by taking several tons of frozen ozone up to altitude and releasing it along the edge of the hole.
Since even at its densest point in the ozone layer, ozone only exists in a few parts per million, several tons of liquid ozone would "patch" a large cubic area at the edge of the hole. Relatively easy and cheap, and maybe saving several hundred or thousand people in the northern latitudes skin cancer every year.
One of the most successful environmental restoration projects ever cost only a few hundred dollars and took half a dozen men to accomplish.
The slender area of coastline around the continents and islands has what is called "arable ocean", where most of the sea creatures live. Because of several factors, most of the arable ocean of the West coast had been depleted of life.
This small group of skin divers got empty bleach bottles, tied a weight to them, then put a piece of giant sea kelp in each before laying them off the coast. They grow very rapidly and soon created kelp beds, which just as soon were heavily populated with sea creatures.
Which goes back to my original hypothesis about technology changing the linchpin of a situation to effect marginal change that matters.
Tim Ball misleads the audience, I think. 1998 spiked above the trend line, but that doesn't negate the trend line:
At the time, 1998 was a record high year in both the CRU and the NASA GISS analyses. In fact, it blew away the previous record by .2 degrees C. (That previous record went all the way back to 1997, by the way!)
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/4/175028/329
According to NASA, it was elevated far above the trend line because 1998 was the year of the strongest El Nino of the century. Choosing that year as a starting point is a classic cherry pick and demonstrates why it is necessary to remove chaotic year-to year-variability (aka: weather) by smoothing out the data. Looking at CRU's graph below, you can see the result of that smoothing in black.
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You're right. But don't pass Al Gore off as mere simpleton in the grand scheme of things either. Gore has been associated with this marxist global government nut for a very long time, and knows very well what Maurice Strong is all about.
There are a lot of people in both the Republican and Democrat parties who are members of his global world government agenda. That's why it is so hard to derail this Global Warming frieght train. It's more than just mere global warming. That's just a cover.
We have no need to "correct" anything, even if we could. It's absolutely ridiculous to think mere mankind, insignificant as a bunny turd in a forest, could control the forces of nature. We have no control, and we never will, nor is there a need to. Global warming, IF it happens shouldn't even be thought of as a bad thing. In fact, it would be a BETTER thing, and may RESTORE the world to a condition which was much more pleasant before a massive and sudden global cooling event, which still influences our climate today changed things. There is plenty of evidence that our polar ice caps never existed, that the entire world was a lush tropical paradise, it never rained, but rather, it fogged. There were no such things as thunder storms and lightning. There was much more moisture in the atmosphere than there is today, which made the entire earth more like a giant terrarium which never got too hot or too cool. People lived much longer because there was more protection from cosmic radiation than there is now.
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Just wait till they put this years global cooling spike on that chart. It will be off the chart. It's been on average 10-15 degrees below "normal"
Source?
A variation of 10 degrees in one year would drop off the chart!
This can't be true. I watch TV and they told me that ALL scientists say there is global warming. Even the one on Cavuto's show today who didn't realize that correlation isn't causation.
BUMP!
I gave an example of correcting a marginal problem, with the creation of kelp beds along the West coast. In was a man-made problem, and it was a man-made solution. It was no more unnatural than a farmer using fertilizer to get better crops.
Another potential problem that we could eventually do something about are the vast undersea deposits of methane ice.
Only the cold temperature of the ocean and the intense pressure keep them as ice, instead of gas. And indications were that in past, some of them did "detonate" in a mass conversion, belching vast amounts of methane into Earth's atmosphere, with very detrimental effects on a worldwide scale.
So what is the great thing we could do? Mine it for fuel. So that instead of it blowing up all at once, we get energy with some waste CO2 and water. Difficult, but not impossible, and stopping what could be a horrific disaster.
You see, there is a basic philosophical difference between where the global warming religion people are coming from, and where I am coming from.
Consistently, since the 1960s, they have been convinced, and have *always* been wrong, that the world was going to have less, that people would have to do less, lower their expectations, and live with declining standards and prosperity.
I take just the opposite tack, that people are very creative, especially where it benefits them. They anticipate and accomplish more, the expect better results, they are always on the lookout for new and better things and ways of doing things, and they tend to ignore obstacles in their path.
And while I agree that there are many things not conceivably in man's power to do, there are many things that we can do, that fit my criteria.
1) We must develop a rational means.
2) We use it in a "linchpin" situation, that affects the entire situation. Much like leverage. And,
3) We use it in a "marginal" situation. To correct a "marginal" imbalance.
By doing this we do not set our sights too high, and we can actually tell if what we do is working or not. If you can measure change based on your actions, then you know it is your actions, not some other factor, making the change.
Thanks for the response. I found this useful.
Timothy Ball is no wishy-washy skeptic of global warming. The Canadian climatologist, who has a Ph.D. in climatology from the University of London and taught at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years, says that the widely propagated “fact” that humans are contributing to global warming is the “greatest deception in the history of science.”
Ball has made no friends among global warming alarmists by saying that global warming is caused by the sun, that global warming will be good for us and that the Kyoto Protocol “is a political solution to a nonexistent problem without scientific justification."
Needless to say, Ball strongly disagrees with the findings of the latest report from the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which on Feb. 2 concluded that it is “very likely” that global warming is the result of human activity...
The mainstream media would have us believe that the science of global warming is now settled by the latest IPCC report. Is it true?
Timothy Ball: No. It’s absolutely false. As soon as people start saying something’s settled, it’s usually that they don’t want to talk about it anymore. They don’t want anybody to dig any deeper. It’s very, very far from settled. In fact, that’s the real problem. We haven’t been able to get all of the facts on the table. The IPCC is a purely political setup.
Why should we be leery of the IPCC’s report -- or the summary of the report?
Ball: Well, because the report is the end product of a political agenda, and it is the political agenda of both the extreme environmentalists who of course think we are destroying the world. But it’s also the political agenda of a group of people ... who believe that industrialization and development and capitalism and the Western way is a terrible system and they want to bring it down.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19409
Have you read 'STATE OF FEAR'?
That's great. Can you make it smaller too?
Sorry it's early and I'm grumpy.
As global warming increases, graphs get bigger.
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