Posted on 02/12/2007 2:54:43 PM PST by TitansAFC
Views of Giuliani put GOP to the test
His moderate stands on social issues part with conservative base
.......On the first day of his five-day California swing, a blog popular with state conservatives, Flash Report.org, posted a YouTube clip from a February 2000 Meet the Press in which Giuliani boasts that no public official in the nation is "more strongly pro-immigrant than I am."
For conservatives who want a president who will crack down on illegal immigration, that sort of talk is very troubling.
"That's a big mistake," said Linda Sutter, 50, of Crescent City, Calif., who supports Giuliani because "I feel secure with him." After learning about his positions on immigration and other issues, the retired correctional officer acknowledged that she was "not completely informed. ... Some of those things might stop me from voting for him."
Even those who have joined his campaign acknowledge that their knowledge of his views is sketchy.....
(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...
Ouch!
Ping!
Didn't Rush have a name for these type of women a few years back?
Compared to Giuliani, McCain actually looks good.
he fought the federal government to maintain NY's "sanctuary city" stance. So much for the law and order reputation.
This is what is called a "delusional cult of personality."
To clarify, I will only vote for Rudy if he makes it past the primaries. Otherwise, no. And, I hope he doesn't make it.
This is the kind of dopey dip-sh!t who voted for Bill Clinton twice, and who -- truth be told -- really has no business participating in a system of elected government.
Immigrant, not illegal immigrant.
Giuliani maintained, in defiance of Federal Law, one of the nation's largest sanctuary cities for illegal aliens. He openly defied the law, he refused to cooperate with federal law enforcement in tracking down illegal aliens, and he even sued the Federal Government to keep that sanctuary city status. Yes, he's pro-ILLEGAL immigrant all right.
If it comes down to rudy or Mrs. Clinton?
McPain or Mrs. Clinton?
I plan on writing in my cocker spaniel's name if Giuliani is the nominee. Sure, he whizzes in the house sometimes, but I've never caught him eying the gun safe.
Amen to that. Having McCain or Giuliani (DocC is dead on: not moderates, but LIBERALS) in office would be catastrophic. Because not only will they propose liberal legislation, but (and I know some people here will deny it, but you know it's true) our Reps in congress, by and large, would be too afraid to vote against "their president"'s legislation, while the Dems will line up behind it.
The other day, someone told me something to the effect of, "Well, what if Hillary wins? In wartime, having someone like that as the commander in chief would be a disaster." Well, you know what? I don't expect that our newly created Spanish-language rainbow brigade will live up to our military's five star standards after their private-use firearms are banned. Yes, Rudy has a good record on the War on Terror; nobody is denying or questioning that. But on almost everything else, he is *at least* as liberal as Hillary, and unlike Hillary, congressional Republicans will fold under his legislation. People like Giuliani think that they can get our votes just by having an (R) after their name. And they often do. But I'm just sick of people who think they can get away with that. And it scares the hell out of me, the sort of legislation he'd be able to get across if he were president.
LOL
Rudy or the dog?
Sounds like a few posters on this site.
We are a military family, and I feel very secure with George Bush in charge. Call me any name that you wish.
ping. More Guiliani fun.
"moderate stands"
BS
Sorry these are not "moderate views" but liberal views. Should the Pubbies decide to throw out their conservative views, in desperation to defeat Clinton, they need to change the name of the party - say to dimocRAT-lite.
Waaaaaaaaaay to early to jump on a "media star" at this point in the game.
Or, your wife, if you have one!
I cant believe we are even talking about this LIBERAL for the republican nomination. What the hell is wrong with some people on this website?. The media is behind this guy but certainly not "real conservatives". Just one more nail in his coffin.
There isn't a mayor or public official in this country that's more strongly pro-immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about 2 or 3 years ago.Hmmmm...what was that legislation?
I just Googled "Clinton signed anti-immigrant legislation" and the first thing that popped up was a site called "The Militant" which is the "socialist newsweekly published in the interests of working people." The next is ZMag which is a nutball anti-war anarchist magazine. They called that legislation "anti-immigrant" too. The next is the Revolutionary Worker magazine. The next is Workers World Daily - they call it anti-immigrant legislation too. I can't seem to find any conservative or even Republican publications or statements which called that legislation "anti-immigrant".
The legislation was passed by a REPUBLICAN CONGRESS and signed by Clinton on 30 September 1996. It barred illegal immigrants from entitlement programs, ended late amnesty programs, and toughened up other immigration laws and policies. And Giuliani was PROUD to have opposed it!
Yes it does, does'nt it. This gives women a bad name when it comes to voting.
I don't know. The other day I used the term Rudygasm which was inspired by Rush's use of the term Gorbasm when talking about how some liberals reacted to Gorbachev.
Not all immigrants to this country are illegal. Being "pro-immigrant" is NOT a bad thing, in and of itself. But still the very sharp distinction between legal immigrants, and "undocumented" border skippers, keeps on getting muddied up. This country has always thrived upon immigrants who have entered this country and made its ideals their own, striving to attain "the American Dream".
But border skippers, who came here originally as only transients, even though it may have been legal at the time, may have simply overstayed a visa, or may have exceeded the limitations of that visa. Or worse, simply sneaked in at night, with no visa at all. Whatever way, they feel no allegiance to America, and in fact, may have some mischief in mind.
Two VERY distinct groups. One, which represents a yearning for everything that is American, and the other, which could as a group, care less about the eventual fate of America.
He probably was referring to LEGAL immigrants. Why shouldn't anyone be for legal immigration?
Safety Moms?
Yes, I expect the Safety Moms will be voting for Rudy. I know this one will.
Thank you for the clarification.
What were those polls showing? Like three-forths of GOP voters are ignorant of Giuliani's abortion stance? When it gets to the substance and not just the name, Giuliani will sink like the Titanic.
"Safety moms" are also called "security Moms".
If he was referring to legal immigrants, why did he fight the feds to maintain NYC as a sanctuary city?
He's also strongly pro illegal immigrant, based on his fighting for NY as a 'sanctuary city'
Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.
In the online GOP Bloggers poll, Giuliani is consistently one of the few candidates to end up with a net positive acceptability rating. These internet denizens are well-informed, and overwhelmingly self-describe as conservative (78% self-describe as 7 or higher on a 10-scale of conservatism). If these people can support Rudy, anyone can.
Human Events, Is Giuliani the Republican Peyton Manning,
2/6/07
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780060/posts
Fine, you've said. We hear it. Don't bother us with it again.
Actually, it was like 3/4 unaware of ANY of his stances on the issues.
He'll tank. Give it time, and fight the good fight.
Note his comment about his opposition to the anti-ILLEGAL immigrant legislation that was passed by a REPUBLICAN CONGRESS. He called it "anti-immigration" when it was anti-ILLEGAL immigration.
When the widespread negative ads get going informing people of Giuliani's quotes and positions on illegal immigration, guns, gay special rights and abortion among other things it will change. Those polls only get to a small group of people.
16% changing their opions ain't exactly something to sneeze at too.
Yes, thank you for making that CRITICAL distinction.
Giuliani is himself the son of immigrants to the US. He has a bond with LEGAL, hardworking immigrants to this nation and makes no bones about it. Nor should he.
What we all want to stop is ILLEGAL immigration, not the inflow of legal, hardworking immigrants seeking freedom and opportunity.
"only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views."
And since the Republican candidate always wins in the general election by a margin much greater than 16% it doesn't matter.
I guess that was sarcasm, because of course the Republican candidate doesn't always win by 16%. If only...
But given that Reagan Democrats and moderates voted Republican, I think it's entirely likely this time around again.
Those Democrats liked Reagan's fiscal conservatism. When it comes to fiscal conservatism, Rudy gets glowing marks from quite a few conservative reporters and news organizations.
Reagan Democrats explained:
http://www.answers.com/topic/reagan-democrat
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