Posted on 02/12/2007 11:59:37 AM PST by 300magnum
Secret study cited "weirdness factor" among candidate weaknesses FEBRUARY 12--As he campaigns for the Republican presidential nomination, Rudolph Giuliani will have to contend with political and personal baggage unknown to prospective supporters whose knowledge of the former New York mayor is limited to his post-September 11 exploits. So, in a bid to educate the electorate, we're offering excerpts from a remarkable "vulnerability study" that was commissioned by Giuliani's campaign prior to his successful 1993 City Hall run. The confidential 450-page report, authored by Giuliani's research director and another aide, was the campaign's attempt to identify possible lines of attack against Giuliani and prepare the candidate and his staff to counter "the kinds of no-holes-barred assault" expected in a general election rematch with Democratic incumbent David Dinkins. As he tried to win election in an overwhelmingly Democratic city, Giuliani needed "inoculating against" the "Reagan Republican moniker," the vulnerability study reported. "The Giuliani campaign should emphasize its candidate's independence from traditional national Republican policies." The final six words of that sentence are underlined in the study. Additionally, the Giuliani report noted that the candidate needed to make it clear to voters that he was "pretty good on most issues of concern to gay and lesbian New Yorkers" and was pro-choice and supported public funding for abortion. "He will continue city funding for abortions at city hospitals. Nothing more, nothing less." Giuliani's stance on these issues, of course, may leave him vulnerable today with an entirely different electorate. The campaign study was obtained by The Village Voice's Wayne Barrett in the course of preparing "Rudy!," an investigative biography of Giuliani. In its preface, the study notes that it is "tough and hard-hitting. It pulls no punches." Perhaps that is why Giuliani, as Barrett reported, ordered copies of the vulnerability study destroyed shortly after
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Those are UNDER the dress he's wearing at the time..
In one of his alter personalitys.. ur!.. personas..
---"He will continue city funding for abortions at city hospitals. Nothing more, nothing less."---
And another reason he'd be a disaster for the Conservative movement....
and another reason...
and another reason...
and another reason...
EXxxx...CELLENT.
More and more of the UGLY TRUTH needs to come out about the left-wing-media-annointed LIBERAL RINOs, BEFORE we're stuck with the bastards in the general election.
"In many ways Rudy Giuliani is a political contradiction...He doesn't really fit with the Republicans. Too liberal. Giuliani has troubles with the Democrats, too."
He's not too liberal for the liberal republicans on this board though!
Don't you know that the media knows more than we do? They're far superior in intelligence and compassion. We should just join the group-think and do what we are told is best by people who tell us they are superior to us.
I wouldn't call them liberal republicans but I would call them win at any cost republicans.
I wouldn't either. They are dem plants, shilling for hillary.
Wow.Let's look at Rudy's best point - he never performed an abortion.
Obviously you have not heard that he is _electable_.
He was in the AF ROTC and had a bad ear. But he really wanted to fly./s
In-freaking-credible.
Or had and abortion! Don't forget that plus!
Who knows what Rudy has done in some back alley room!
Rudy showing his vulnerable side.
well if you hold liberal positions, you may find a reason that that happens.
I'm not a liberal. I am, however, pragmatic rather than an idealogue.
I agree. It wouldn't surprise me if it is the case that the media know this about him and, if he becomes the nominee, use it against him. The sheeple on this board that just blindly follow the media darlings really need to stop and think about just who's side the media is really on and why someone is a media darling. If it ends up being Rudy vs. Dem X, the media will turn on him fast.
Well that explains everything.
There is nothing to not only trust in the guy, there is nothing to believe that he has ever taken a credible stand on any thing that he's not willing to change to the opposite.
Rudy and Hillary on the same ticket.
Everything in its season and in due measure - even weirdness. Actually, it could be a good thing, for otherwise the enemies will be dealing with an absolutely predictable president, and would be able to read him like a book.
Idealogues don't win elections.
He was classified I-A in the middle of 1968. Okay, what was his draft lottery number that year? Should he have been drafted? What was his draft lottery number for 1969? Mine was 69 or 79, I signed up for Navy OCS and was accepted. They swore me in, that was that. But I'd have been drafted if not for the Navy program.
So what's Rudy's number, and what was the deal with the II-A deferment? If he'd drawn number 350, he wouldn't have bothered with the deferment. I smell a low number. Someone who knows his birthday and has access to an old microfiche newspaper morgue could tell us in an hour or two -- those lottery numbers were published prominently in all the papers in those years. The New York Post and Daily News would both have the numbers. So would Newsday.
Some oilfield workers got II-A's down in Louisiana in those years, but they were mostly college grads with families in the mid- to late-20's who were petroleum engineers and geophysicists for major oil companies. Not law clerks.
Tell that to Ronald Reagan.
That's right. It was the NEXT Republican mayor of NYC who made abortion training mandatory for all residents.
But at least he didn't have a D next to his name. That would be unforgivable.
Neither do logs.
Some logs get bogged down headin' downriver. And this one's a real baggage dandy:
The final six words of that sentence are underlined in the study. Additionally, the Giuliani report noted that the candidate needed to make it clear to voters that he was "pretty good on most issues of concern to gay and lesbian New Yorkers" and was pro-choice and supported public funding for abortion. "He will continue city funding for abortions at city hospitals. Nothing more, nothing less."
LOL
Join the club. I make a comment in support of Rudy Giuliani here earlier today and all of a sudden I'm not a Reagan conservative.
That says it all. I underlined it as they said it was. The Grand Old Party *sigh*
I believe the lottery didnt start until 1970. Lottery started under Nixon and he didnt start his first term until January 69. I think the draft lottery went into place beginning in 1970. I fondly remember my number, 318.
I tried Navy OCS in 68 while I was still in my senior year of college. They wouldnt take me because of high blood pressure.
Gelded Old Party?
Hey Obama has admitted Cocaine usage. I think these days you have to be a serial killer to be eliminated because of something that you've done in your past, especially 35 years ago.
"Rudy showing his vulnerable side."
Feelings, nothing more than feelings,
Trying to forget my feelings of love.
Teardrops rolling down on my face,
Trying to forget my feelings of love.
Feelings, for all my life I'll feel it.
I wish I've never met you, girl;
You'll never come again.
Feelings, wo-o-o feelings,
Wo-o-o, feel you again in my arms.
Feelings, feelings
Like I've never lost you
And feelings like I've never
Have you again in my heart.
Feelings, for all my life I'll feel it.
I wish I've never met you, girl;
You'll never come again.
Feelings, feelings like I've
Never lost you
And feelings like I've never have you
Again in my life.
Feelings, wo-o-o feelings,
Wo-o-o, feelings again in my arms.
Feelings...
Well, Beelzebubba had his "Don't Stop Thinking" something something, so Rudi needs something . . .
Take it from the top--whoa, hey, you're a great crowd!
Let's put our hands together, give it up, wontchoo? for 'Li'l Miss Sunshine, NYC'
(grab the pole baby, that's right, there you go, now gyrate...)
A sweeping comment to be sure, however, times change. What is coming down the road is unknown, but I would be willing to bet that there is an idealogue in our future somwhere.
Some would say there had better be and some would tell you why.
The divorced union president from Hollywood who used to be a Democrat? The one with the White House astrologer? That the guy?
Wow!
Explains why ideologues like you are never happy. Only once in a lifetime can you find a Reagan and then he disappoints you by not attempting to eliminate government departments and by raising taxes (Social Security reform and So called tax reform). Pragmatism is the opposite of people that continue to ram their heads into a unmovable wall time after time, thinking that they are making a difference when in fact all they are doing is developing a headache.
It's beginning to look that way, isn't it?
Way to read in whatever you wanted to read into a four word statement. BTW, your response to those four words is more indicative to your pent up inner beliefs than it is to anything I was saying with them.
BTW, I said "Well that explains everything" because I was responding to a fluff statement like "I'm a lover not a fighter" - something that has little substance but is meant to imply the poster is somehow "enlightened" because they posted something blithe instead of something meaningful.
According to Rudy himself just read the qoute in my tagline!
"The divorced union president from Hollywood who used to be a Democrat? The one with the White House astrologer? That the guy?"
Yeah, that guy, the one who admitted that he had very conservative credentials going INTO the battle, the one who was willing to buck the Ford nomination out of principle, the one the media called 'Ronald Rayguns' way back in the 60s, yeah, that's him...
The Giuliani campaign should emphasize its candidate's independence from traditional national Republican policies. Especially useful in this strategy is Giuliani's role in overturning a Reagan administration attempt to throw disabled people off the Social Security rolls, his prosecution of Republican elected officials -- especially his authorization for call his boss, Attorney General Edwin Meese III, a sleaze, and his un-Republican views on many social issues of concern to New Yorkers, like abortion, gun control and bias protection for homosexuals.They said it. Not me. Way to go, Giuliani for New York campaign. Thanks for the gift.
It's just one non-stop Rudymercial - He slices! He dices! He makes Giuliani fries!
But call now, and we'll DOUBLE the number of attempts to pretend Rudy's a conservative!
Simplicity is the best response to questions about abortion. Giuliani's answer to abortion questions should always be succinct and to the point. Giuliani is pro-choice. He supports public funding for abortion. He will continue city funding for abortions at city hospitals. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thank you Giuliani campaign for laying it out so clearly for everyone to understand.
It's funny how much more complicated Rudy's answers are about that subject now. Hope Occam's razor doesn't cut his political throat.
Isn't it? I'd give my eye teeth to get my hands on the complete vulnerability document that his campaign lost last year. You have to know that someone somewhere, other than a few members of the press, have that document and will use it at the appropriate moment. Hopefully, its one of the conservative primary candidates and not Romney or McCain.
Now, what have we been saying about all of the baggage that Giuliani's got? This stuff totally proves what we've been saying for some time.
Ok, so he would have gone into the service. Big deal.
How many JAG weenies caught any lead? Move along, nothing here.
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