Some in party believe he (Giuliani) can win in California

San Diego Union Tribune ^ | Feb. 11, 2007 | John Marelius

[FairOpinion]

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, still basking in his can-do post-Sept. 11 image, got a rousing welcome yesterday from Republican activists searching for a presidential candidate who can win in California.

No Republican presidential candidate has carried California since the elder George Bush did in 1988, and no one has even run a competitive race in the increasingly Democratic-leaning state since then.

Republicans are hopeful they have prospects in the large 2008 field who can reverse the trend by combining liberal and conservative stands that has proven so successful for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

“The popularity of the governor shows that you can take the positions that he holds and win in California,” said Duf Sundheim, outgoing Republican state chairman. “I think Giuliani has the same opportunity.”

As for Giuliani, backers say his record on reducing crime and taxes in New York should give conservatives plenty to like. He was introduced to the convention yesterday by businessman Bill Simon, the 2002 Republican nominee for California governor who once worked under Giuliani in the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York.

Simon said that as mayor, Giuliani cut taxes 23 times and reduced the city's murder rate by 67 percent. “That is a record that as a conservative Republican, I can heartily endorse,” he said.

[FairOpinion]

If he can carry CA, he can beat Hillary.

[Paleo Conservative]

If the DemocRATS lose CA, there's no way they can win a presidential election.

[Echo Talon]

He will make her spent lots of $ in CA, NY and all the rest of the "Big Blue States"

[FairOpinion]

Rudy PING

[NormsRevenge]

May the best man wearing a dress win. ;-)

[BunnySlippers]

((((( PING )))))

If you want on or off the Rudy Ping List let me know.

[mysterio]

Why in the world would California dems vote for Rudy over Hillary? He reminds them of the start of the war while she reminds them of the end. Anyone who thinks Rudy is going to carry that state is deceiving themselves.

[nutmeg]

Interesting...

[FairOpinion]

"If the DemocRATS lose CA, there's no way they can win a presidential election."

Exaclty!

Rudy can win in CA, the same way Arnold did, and that will be a major blow to the Dems for many years to come.

The Rudy bashers might want to consider that.

[nutmeg]

Oops... ya beat me to it! :o)

[neverhillorat]

Who is going to win in California?

[BunnySlippers]

Simon said that as mayor, Giuliani cut taxes 23 times and reduced the city's murder rate by 67 percent. “That is a record that as a conservative Republican, I can heartily endorse,” he said.

From BILL SIMON no less! Woot!

[FairOpinion]

"Why in the world would California dems vote for Rudy over Hillary?"

The CA Dems wouldn't, but the independents, which comprise about a third of the electorate and the Republicans would, which would be enough for a win.

[nopardons]

He'll also take Pa., probably Ct., and might even take N.J. and make it awfully dicey in N.Y., as well.

[gov_bean_ counter]

I have heard

Gun registration = gun grabber

Could you explain that on to me?

[BunnySlippers]

Here's a picture of Rudy yesterday.

[nopardons]

Thanks for the ping!

[RepublicanPOTUSin08]

Rudy could definitely make Cali competitive, though Bill Clinton's name is gold in the Golden State and Hillary's going to have the edge. But Rudy will certainly beat Hillary in the industrial states that went for Kerry last time: Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, maybe Illinois and New Jersey. Between that and Hillary having to pour money into Cali and New York, it's hard to see how she even begins to play for the red states.

[BunnySlippers]

:)

[Carry_Okie]

Rudy can win in CA, the same way Arnold did, and that will be a major blow to the Dems for many years to come.

Why would it be a blow to Democrats when they'd get everything they want without Republican resistance, the way Arnold did?

I suggest you lay off the acid on Sundays; it's a work week coming you know.

[gov_bean_ counter]

To Obama I say...

No Barrett
No Balls
No Chance

[FairOpinion]

Both Hillary and Bill Clinton campaigned for Angelides in CA, Arnold won anyway.

Rudy has an excellent chance of defeating Hillary in CA,using the Arnold approach.

[nopardons]

Anyone who underestimates Rudy and over estimates one of the bottom tier GOPers, and/or is wishing for some great white hope to come in to save the GOP from a Rudy candidacy, is deceiving themselves; in spades.

[EternalVigilance]

Rudy could definitely make Cali competitive, though Bill Clinton's name is gold in the Golden State and Hillary's going to have the edge. But Rudy will certainly beat Hillary in the industrial states that went for Kerry last time: Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, maybe Illinois and New Jersey. Between that and Hillary having to pour money into Cali and New York, it's hard to see how she even begins to play for the red states.

Hillary and Rudy and their supporters: Two sets of liberals arguing over the spoils.

Before the war even starts.

[Lancey Howard]

Do we WANT a President who wins California?

[mysterio]

Hillary could take that state without spending $5. The only way a Republican wins is if we repeal Presidential term limits and Bill runs against her as a Republican.

[FairOpinion]

See post 22. The Clinton "magic" is not invincible in CA.

[FairOpinion]

Hillary or Rudy.

Pick one.

[EternalVigilance]

Bill runs against her as a Republican.

Well, that would make him the frontrunner amongst FRs new legions of liberals. After all, he meets their only two criteria: He's got an "R" by his name, and "he can win."

[rwh]

One more reason not to vote for Rudy.

[gov_bean_ counter]

I took a look at your bio...

So you are a fan of someone who's career was kept alive by organized crime? Interesting...

[nopardons]

The Dems will NOT get withdtrawl of the troops, from Rudy, nor will they get raised taxes, bigger government, more welfare, open admissions to colleges, or a whole host of other things the love.

I suggest that you 1) stop making personal attacks on other posters 2) look at reality, instead of you day dreams 3) become more familiar with politics and how it works.

[EternalVigilance]

Pick one.

"Most of Clinton's policies are the same as most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

[KantianBurke]

"Rudy can win in CA, the same way Arnold did"

Uh if you're going to cheerlead for a RINO, bringing up Arnold who recently became "post partisan" probably isn't the brightest idea.

[BunnySlippers]

The Clintons are not invincible in Caalifornia.

BTW .. about the front loaded primaries.
Everything will be decided by February 2008.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1783241/posts

[EternalVigilance]

Hillary or Rudy. Pick one.

To be a "choice" you have to provide two items. You've only given liberalism to pick from.

[gov_bean_ counter]

I was just asking why do some say that advocating gun registration tantamount to being a gun grabber.

[mysterio]

You don't like Frank? Are you deaf?

[Proud_USA_Republican]

Even if Hitlery gets CA, Rudy will utterly destroy the beast in NY which would guarantee a GOP victory.

[SmoothTalker]

Either way we end up with a liberal as our next President. America loses no matter who wins if those are the two candidates.

[FairOpinion]

Sorry, a lot of people consider Rudy a "gun grabber".

Gun registration runs counter to the 2nd Amendment. It's not the government's business who has guns. It only becomes their business when a crime is committed.

Rudy backtracked some on his stance, and Hillary is much worse anyway.

[NapkinUser]

Steaming pile (((STOP GIULIANI 2008 PRIMARY PING!)))

Freepmail me to be added of removed from this ping list.

[SmoothTalker]

"Rudy will utterly destroy the beast in NY which would guarantee a GOP victory."

I wouldn't be so quick to assume this.

[FairOpinion]

Trying to pretend that there is no difference between Rudy and Hillary is disingenuous at best.

[FairOpinion]

Ignoring reality doesn't make it go away.

[LukeL]

And her ankles were this big

[Dolphy]

Do we WANT a President who wins California?

A candidate that can't compete in the blue states isn't going to win. The Republicans can't go in with the only hope based on defending the 2004 electoral map and set the Democrats up to zero in on one or two states.

[NapkinUser]

“The popularity of the governor shows that you can take the positions that he holds and win in California,”

Oh that's nice. From what the conservatives on this forum from California have been saying, Schwarzenegger has been a real dud lately.

[jim35]

"Anyone who underestimates Rudy and over estimates... some great white hope..."

You may well be correct, nopardons, but that is no reason to give up on a conservative, or at least non-liberal, candidate. Especially not this early in the race.

Remember how many candidates peaked early, only to lose their appeal when primary season actually started. It's quite common.

Rudy simply has too leftward a slant for most Republicans, but his negatives have simply not been put out into the arena yet.

And, his pro-war stance will not sit well with the lefties, who might otherwise like his social policies. That's a pretty big load coming his way.

So, don't count your chickens, etc.

[FairOpinion]

(((STOP GIULIANI 2008 PRIMARY PING!)))


Why don't you just call your ping list what it is:

"CONSERVATIVES FOR HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT" ping list.