Posted on 02/11/2007 8:54:54 AM PST by freedomdefender
On December 19, 2002, a 42-year-old mother of two was abducted and forced by her assailants into a hideout near some railroad tracks in Queens, New York. She was brutally assaulted before being rescued by a New York Police Department canine unit.
The NYPD arrested five aliens in connection with that assault. According to records that the Judiciary Committee has received from the INS, four of those aliens entered the United States illegally. Three of those four had extensive arrest histories in New York City. The fifth alien, a lawful permanent resident, also had a criminal history prior to the December 19, 2002, attack.
Despite the criminal histories of the four aliens, however, it does not appear from the records that the Committee has received that the NYPD told the INS about these aliens until after the December 19 attack.
These heinous crimes prompted extensive public discussion of whether New York City police were barred from disclosing immigration information to the INS, a policy that may have prevented the removal of these aliens prior to the December 19 attack.
Some suggested that the only reason that the three illegal aliens were in the United States, despite their extensive arrest histories, was because the NYPD officers who arrested these aliens previously were barred by a so-called ''sanctuary'' policy from contacting the INS. That policy, critics claimed, prevented NYPD officers from contacting the INS when they arrested an illegal alien.
We will examine New York City's policy on the NYPD's disclosure of immigration information to the INS. New York's Executive Order, or E.O. 124, barred line officers from communicating directly with the INS about criminal aliens. That executive order was issued by Mayor Ed Koch in 1989 and reissued by Mayors Dinkins and Giuliani.
Help me out here, Rudy supporters. Did he sign an "immigration sanctuary" order in NYC? If so, how does that square with his "law and order" image? As president, would enforce our borders, or say "come on in!"?
Rudy is just another open-borders elitist.
Rudy made NYC a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants? Can that be right? It's not as if I was going to support him, even before this issue arose, but if it's true it really validates my instincts that tell me he's a phony and a liberal.
For one thing, this "sanctuary city" crap exposes Giuliani's silly "I'm against abortion but I must uphold Roe v. Wade -- the law of the land" statement last week as one of the biggest piles of utter bullsh!t to come out of the mouth of a public figure in my lifetime.
I have no respect for an @sshole in public office who "upholds the law of the land" in such a selective manner depending on what suits his political agenda.
I have brought that point up many times. Expect silence or it was someone elses fault.
I guess Rudy's a "federalist" - he things each state (or city) should decide on its own whether or not to obey federal immigration law?
So it's Giuliani's fault that the policy was in place before he took office.
I suppose he's responsible for NYC's gun control laws too.
Giuliani left office in 2001. How come Bloomingidiot didn't modify or end the law then.
I hadn't heard about this matter, but I confess I find it shocking. Are you telling me that Rudy supporters will not address it? They'll studiously ignore any attempt to discuss it?
I don't think that "silence" will work when the primary debates begin. Somehow, I expect there will be at least one other candidate for the GOP nomination who might make an issue of Rudy and the sanctuary issue.
Good question. IT shows that, like Rudy, Bloomingidiot also isn't fit to be president.
What do you think kids?... Did I sound waffly on CNN today? (Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer)?... Did I get my points across with Wolf?
I AM THE HUNTER... The wolf is is not a match... :)
I like him EVEN MORE! :)
It's the feds' responsibility to seal the borders not Rudy.
I wonder what Rudy Giuliani would say if the mayor of Dearborn, Michigan decided to violate any number of provisions of the Patriot Act for the sake of political expediency.
You obviously didn't read the congressional transcript. The policy was instituted before Rudy's tenure - and then Rudy reinstituted it. This is shocking, and - if the congressional committee's statement is true - it clearly disqualifies Rudy for president. No wonder he hasn't made an official announcement yet. His candidacy would be destroyed by this issue in the Republican primaries.
It sure sound like I voted FOR the war but personally I'm AGAINST the war.
I am so sick and tired of this hypocritical DOUBLESTALK by spineless, parasitical politicians for self gain and more power.
You needed this issue to tell you that?
"That executive order was issued by Mayor Ed Koch in 1989"
" and reissued by Mayors Dinkins and Giuliani."
It shows that both Rudy and Bloomberg were following precedent and preventing illegal aliens from coming in here in the first place weren't their jobs.
You Rudy bashers are getting desperate. Your social-issue, career Congressmen candidates must be polling under .001%.
I guess I did. Refusing to comply with federal law on illegal immigration is so blatant, so shocking.
Why should Rudy do the fed's work for them? It's their job to seal the borders and crack down on illegals using existing immigration laws.
That's sort of like saying 9/11 was a matter for the New York City Fire Department to handle.
No, it shows that they voluntarily chose to reinstitute a radical anti-federal-law policy, when they could have allowed it expire. Both of them are liberals. And if you think that Rudy can survive a Republican primary - in any state (except maybe New York) - if this sanctuary-for-illegals is made an issue (which it will be, I'm confident), then you're smoking something strong.
Good one! That's gotta sting.
Ah yes, when you have nothing to add to the discussion, spam FR with more stupid RINO cards.
That Rudy and Dinkins (and Bloomberg) all agree on illegal immigration, should tell you something about how liberal Rudy is.
Perhaps Rudy knew that the captured illegals were just going to be released back into the wilderness by INS anyway. Who knows, but blaming this exclusively on Rudy is ridiculous, considering the same INS refuses to enforce the borders or crack down on employers so the situation wouldn't happen in the first place.
Me too, but Rudy looks better in a dress than Hillary, that's the basic difference between them.
It's because I'm scared of Hitlery that I WON'T vote for him. No way would he win a general election - when he's made NYC a "sanctuary" for illegals. That's kill him with independents and Reagan Democrats in key states like Ohio and Michigan.
He's right on killing terrorists, limiting government, cutting taxes, and ending government dependency & welfare, which trump your four Kings.
I present his quotes....you do with them as you please.
Rudy is more conservative than most Republicans in Congress & Governors.
"should tell you something about how liberal Rudy is."
I don't need to be told anything about Rudy! Don't put me in that group!!!
Actually, EEE -- it's YOU who is desperate here.
This is one issue where Giuliani and Bloomberg cannot fall back on the "I was just continuing a policy established in New York City by my predecessor argument" -- because the Federal government SPECIFICALLY OUTLAWED THIS "SANCTUARY CITY" CRAP under Section 642 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.
P>Not if he lets illegals swarm into his city. Illegals are disproportionately committing crimes and collecting tax-funded services. I didn't know about this "Rudy sanctuary" thing until recently. I tell ya, it's gonna kill his candidacy in the Republican primaries. Super Tuesday in the South will be his funeral, when the ads start running about his sanctuary policy.
And Rudy supporters will suddenly get swayed and be born-again conservatives, right, after looking at you and Spiff/NapkinUser spam.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1472612/posts?page=38#38
Impact from illegal alien labor:
- Costing health care, retirement funding, education and law enforcement, accruing at $30 billion per year.
- USA is foregoing $35 billion a year in income tax collections because of the number of jobs that are now off the books.
- Census Bureau estimates that 8.7 million people are illegally residing in the USA
- Urban Institute estimates a total of 9.3 million are illegally residing in the USA
- Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates a total of 9.2 million are illegally residing in the USA
- The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) stated that the Bureau of Labor could have missed as many as 10% of illegal aliens, since illegal aliens avoid census questionnaires. The CIS suggests the total illegal population is at 10 million or higher (March 2004).
- Employers have incentive to hire undocumented workers off the books.
- Overseas labor markets have forced US employers to find innovative ways to capitalize on sources of cheaper labor to stay competitive.
- Employers place pressure on the government to ignore the flood of cheap labor.
- Services, ie but not limited to: public school enrollment, language proficiency programs, and building permits, that cater to illegal aliens have increased in areas that are considered gateways for immigration.
- The top nine states that account for 50% of illegal aliens are: California, Texas, Florida, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Arizona, Georgia and North Carolina.
- Sole authority to govern immigration flow is placed on the federal government.
- Responsibility for providing support to legal and illegal immigrants rests with the state and local governments.
- Immigrants send home on average $1,400 to $1,500 per year through money transfers (also called Remittances).
- As per the World Bank in 2002, people sent $133 billion worldwide. Developing countries accounted for $88 billion of that.
- Remittances from the United States to Mexico have tripled to $13 billion between 1995 and 2003.
- As per the Pew Hispanic Center, 39% of surveyed Latino immigrants listed themselves as having legal status to opening bank accounts. This enables cash transfers through private money centers such as Western Union and Money Gram.
- HOWEVER, banks including Citibank, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo Bank began accepting matriculas, which are photographed identity cards for Mexicans living in the US.
- Matriculas are obtainable by any legal or illegal Mexican. Matriculas are widely obtainable through Mexican consulates across the USA.
- To date, around 2.5 million matriculas have been issued, and the number is growing.
- In major illegal alien gateway cities, the influx of immigrants has led to a housing boom unexplained by official population growth.
- In New Jersey, the three gateway towns are New Brunswick, Elizabeth, and Newark.
- Housing permits in these three towns shot up over six-fold, while the rest of the three counties only saw a three-fold increase.
- 80% of these permits were designated for multiple tenent dwellings.
- Official statistics state that illegal aliens in New Jersey have jumped 110% – an estimate that is inconsistent with the housing statistics. Local realtors' stats for multiple tenent housing and school enrollments suggest the number is higher.
- The major illegal alien gateway cities have experienced school enrollments much higher than projections.
- The decrease in the number of births in the past decade had led education administrators to expect decreasing school enrollments as a post echo boom trend.
- A higher immigration rate, however, has offset the impact of declining births.
- Enrollment stats for major illegal alien gateway city school districts that included: Queens, New York; Elizabeth, Newark and New Brunswick, New Jersey; and Wake County in North Carolina revealed explosive growth in immigrant students, far beyond numbers consistent with *legal* migration limits.
- NYC public school system is the largest in the nation, enrollment of 1.1 million students.
- Immigrant student enrollment for 1998-2001 was 103,000, with Queens accounting for the largest share, 37,000.
- Between 1990 and 2001, more than half of New York City’s school districts increased their enrollments 10% or more, driven by a high number of immigrant students.
- New York City Public Schools, 1999 to 2001: 102,867 immigrant students: Dominican Republic, China, Jamaica, Mexico, Pakistan, Ecuador, Colombia and Haiti.
I'm sorry. I underestimated your ability to see through the Phony from New York City (I'm not talking about Hillary, I mean the one who doesn't wear a dress - at least most of the time).
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps . . .
Do you realize how silly this sounds?
If you have any documented evidence of any statement along these lines by Rudy Giuliani during his time in office, then out with it. Otherwise, this is just one more lame excuse you're making on behalf of a big-government liberal from New York City.
Perhaps he had a young Mexican boy as a love slave in Gracie Mansion, and he didn't want the INS to track him down. /sarcasm off/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782055/posts?page=65#65
Yes, because I'm sure Rudy is responsible for stopping illegals at the source too and the INS is the name of a rock band or something.
Illegals are disproportionately committing crimes and collecting tax-funded services.
So tell Congressman Hunter and the other bloviators in Congress to get moving on building that fence then.
I didn't know about this "Rudy sanctuary" thing until recently.
The sactuary policy existed before Rudy, just like gun-control, abortion, homosexuality, etc that have also existed before Rudy and will exist no matter if Jerry Falwell is elected President
I tell ya, it's gonna kill his candidacy in the Republican primaries.
I'm sure he's shaking in his boots.
Super Tuesday in the South will be his funeral, when the ads start running about his sanctuary policy.
Perhaps if the other .001% social conservative candidates can pool their sofa change together & scrounge up an ad on YouTube maybe.
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