Rudy Giuliani: Supply-Sider-in-Chief

Human Events ^ | Feb. 9, 2007 | Deroy Murdock

[RebekahT]

"Tancredo and Paul have nothing but talk, not to mention that they both demonstrate continuously that they are incapable of living in reality and looking at the big picture, which is critical for a President and Commander-in-Chief."

I am glad someone on FR still uses his brain.

[EternalVigilance]

Ah, Parsky. Another poster boy for why Republicans should never, no matter what Karl Rove wants, let a liberal hack anywhere near the Republican levers of power.

[PhiKapMom]

Off topic: I told someone that you were the campaign manager for a Senate race in 2002 in West Virginia against Byrd and they told me I was nuts. You and I talked about the lack of funding out of the NRSC and who might help? Am I dreaming things?

[FairOpinion]

Give me a Republican who CAN beat Hillary -- other than Giuliani.

[Old_Mil]

The only "spam" is this incessant pro-Rudy garbage you bots are spamming Free Republic with. You can certainly try and support a liberal candidate on this website, just expect an earful when you do.

[spunkets]

"And what do you think Hillary's position is on the 2nd amendment?

Irrelevant. Why would someont toss a vote for anyone that wants to make them a criminal?

"Rudy also backtracked some on his anti gun stance.

No he didn't.

[IslandJeff]

Whatever. Good luck finding someone you can support.

You can get in front of me in Heaven's cafeteria.

[Old_Mil]

Given that a large percentage of Republican voters will stay home or vote third party if Rudy is nominated, your presence is flawed. A conservative like Duncan Hunter will crush Hillary in a debate.

[MichiganConservative]

Rudy Guiliani has marched in lockstep with liberals on affirmative action, gay rights, gay marriage, gun control, school prayer, tuition tax credits, liberal immigration policies, and he's reinforced it, time and time again. Just about everytime Rudy opens his mouth, offensive liberal words come pouring out. As Mayor, Rudy put liberals in high-paid city jobs, an indication what a Rudy WH would look like. Here then is Rudy in his own words:

So what if he's a liberal? He's our liberal. If he had a D, then it would be different. But he has an R. That means he should win. Get it?

Cthulu will eat your soul. That makes him superior to the Lizard Queen and that's why I support him for 2008.

[OMalley]

OH yeah..... Especially one that looks like the dude from tales from the crypt, BLEK.

Apparently thats what these folks want. lets run hitlery as his VP then we'll be a complete family.

Do you suppose theyd let us all sit at thier feet while they read us night night storys and tuck us into bed?

now Exuse me while I go scour my brain of that horrid image!

[EternalVigilance]

Actually, it was against Rockefeller.

The party didn't help with one thin dime. One of many betrayals of conservatives over the last seven years.

[OMalley]

He'll need to throw on his dress first;)

[RightOnTheLeftCoast]

"I never cease to be amazed at the absolute inability of some gun owners to think rationally about the issue. It's all emotion."

Um, you talking to me? Where have I gone emotional about the issue? Your comment is about as ad hominem as they come.

So tell me, while we're talking, what other parts of the Constitution would you be okay with Rudy ignoring? What else besides guns would you like to see "taken away from us for the greater good," to use Hillary Clinton's phrasing?

Even Marion Barry has recently shown some sanity on the topic of gun control. Where's Rudy on that issue today? And where was he yesterday? And why should I trust him on this topic?

I'm not talking "emotion" but cold hard facts based on his record. I am by no means a single-issue voter, but a candidate's stance on self-defense speaks volumes about how they'd govern.

Gun rights are a valuable indicator of a politician's place on the fascist-o-meter. And that's bad news for Giuliani, I'm truly sad to say.

[BunnySlippers]

News articles about Republican candidates is not spam.

And are you really so juvenile as to think your badgering is going to stop people from voting for who they want?

[MichiganConservative]

Give me a Republican who CAN beat Hillary -- other than Giuliani.

Cthulu can! Cthulu will eat your soul.

[FairOpinion]

HIllary would beat Duncan Hunter something like 80/20.

Anyone who thinks that he has any chance is totally detached from reality.

[PhiKapMom]

Thanks -- wrong candidate, right state! I remembered we talked about lack of resources.

[MichiganConservative]

Some people say Cthulu is a monster who robs people of existence by eating their souls. But he will beat the reptilesbian overlordress and that's why I support him.

Cthulu in 2008! He can win. If he doesn't he will eat your soul.

[Old_Mil]

Your shameless pandering and my badgering will, in the end, prove to be equally ineffective. What will be effective in ensuring Rudy's defeat is his extreme liberal record. Say what you want, do what you want, the man has admitted that he "Agrees with most of Clinton's policies." Republican voters aren't going to support someone like that.

Giuliani is going to be uttering some very Deanlike screams after the first few primaries.

[Old_Mil]

Cthulu has been far more forthcoming about his policy positions in the past few weeks than Rudy. I think he'll make a fine nominee, just so long as he agrees to eat my soul last.

[OMalley]

He would kick her butt all over the place!!

Dont ppl realize the reason hitlery and rudy are avoiding early debates? how can you debate someone you agree with 99.9% of the time? (by his own admission).

duncan would mop the floor with her and show her for the true socialist she is.

[EternalVigilance]

"What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it." - Rudy Giuliani

[BunnySlippers]

Posting news articles about Republican candidates is not spamming or pandering.

They are no better or worse than articles about Hunter or Romney, etc.

[EternalVigilance]

The above quote could have been uttered by any fascist in history.

[OMalley]

"What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it." - Rudy Giuliani

Is he talking about being an elected offical or being king?

[Beagle8U]

"The above quote could have been uttered by any fascist in history"

And that quote is going to really really leave a mark. Ice wont soothe the swelling from that one.

[Old_Mil]

In case you didn't notice, this is a conservative website, not a Republican website. Hunter has solid conservative credentials. Romney can pretend to, in the same way Kerry pretended to be a moderate. Rudy neither holds, nor pretends to support much of the Republican platform, much less the conservative one.

One can only conclude based on this that you are not a conservative and you do not wish to see one nominated by the Republican party.

[EternalVigilance]

Is he talking about being an elected offical or being king?

"What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it." - Rudy Giuliani

[ClarenceThomasfan]

You are right. If we are to beat Hillary we need someone with name recognition. This election is not meant for "on the job" training.

It's either gonna be McCain, Rudy or Romney. We have to keep the White House in 2008. We may not be able to get back the Congress.

[EternalVigilance]

It's either gonna be McCain, Rudy or Romney. We have to keep the White House in 2008.

Are you calling Bush a liberal?

[MichiganConservative]

Are you calling Bush a liberal?

If he won't, I will. Cthulu is a conservative, though. Very soulful guy. Agrees with you on what you care about. Especially your soul.

[EternalVigilance]

The above was a joke.

[RightOnTheLeftCoast]

"No, Bill Simon's worst enemy was Gerry Parsky, who virtually ran Simon's campaign into the ground."

I'd rank Parsky high up there, but Simon is still responsible for his own campaign. He did a marvelous job in the primary, ran a sunny upbeat campaign filled with Reaganesque can-do spirit, then allowed Parsky and pals to jettison the entire primary message, the team, and all the campaign's grassroots foot-soldiers.

I have little respect for chief executives (and chief executive wannabes) who don't accept responsibility for their enterprise's foundering on the shoals of ineptitude. Simon absented himself from the state for a vacation just as Parsky was making his first maneuvers. Bad, bad judgment. Many of us were screaming, but on this just as with the Hindelang problem he didn't want to hear: As an outsider who'd stunned the establishment with an absolute steamroller of electoral support, he needed to quickly move to consolidate his grip on the Party he'd crashed. Instead he went to roast on a beach somewhere. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Fatal tactical error. He returned to the state to find he was now just a hood ornament on Parsky, Inc.

So, I hear what you're saying, but Simon let it happen. Rookie mistake. Reagan would never have let his campaign get away from him like that. That's the difference between a self-made, seasoned union negotiator well-versed in the Machiavellian machinations of Hollywood and a silver-spoon venture capitalist daddy's boy too used to getting what he wants.

I hope someone writes a book about it. "How to Absolutely Pwn the Primary and Then Give Your RINO Enemies the Rope They Need to Hang You (and then Nay-Say Every Subsequent Conservative Who Comes Down the Pike Forevermore, Amen)."

[MichiganConservative]

But I really think he's a liberal. I've been drinking.

[nopardons]

FO certainly is one who can and DOES use his well working brain!

[Redcloak]

We get to choose between sorta liberal, liberal, or liberaler?

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quite sniffing glue.

[nopardons]

A thread containing a news article is NOT SPAM!

OTOH, made up charts, crazy pictures, and the same thing posted many times over to the same thread/many different threads, IS spam and used to be against FR posting rules.

[OMalley]

Hahahah LOL

[Carry_Okie]

I'd rank Parsky high up there, but Simon is still responsible for his own campaign.

Parsky controlled the money. He refused to fund GOTV. He forced Sal Russo into forging Simon's signature on the Log Cabin letter. He specified Wilson/Jones as a campaign consultant, along with Ed Rollins of bogus photo fame.

I have little respect for chief executives (and chief executive wannabes) who don't accept responsibility for their enterprise's foundering on the shoals of ineptitude.

I've never heard Simon complain.

As an outsider who'd stunned the establishment with an absolute steamroller of electoral support, he needed to quickly move to consolidate his grip on the Party he'd crashed. Instead he went to roast on a beach somewhere. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Totally agreed. He had enough of his own cash to keep that steamroller going.

So, I hear what you're saying, but Simon let it happen.

Yup. The mistakes of a neophyte, and too nice a guy.

[nopardons]

Hunter is a TERRIBLE speaker. As awful a debater as Hillary is, she is still better at a primary debate than he is.

Lazio was far better than Hillary, but she and the MSM had him for lunch. Duncan hasn't a chance of winning the GOP primary; let alone the presidency.

[FairOpinion]

"FO certainly is one who can and DOES use his well working brain!"


Thanks, it takes one to know one. :)

[Carry_Okie]

Hunter is a TERRIBLE speaker.

And you make a TERRIBLE pawn.

Grover Norquist should know better.

[NorthEastRepublican]

If Rudy was President it would be no different than today. Rudy is personally a gun control advocate as am I. If you are from the NYC metropolitan area as he and I are, its hard not to be. But his posistion on guns is the same that it should be a state right. States rights! Thats conservative! So unless you lived in a bleeding blue state, your guns won't be affected and if they are, it has nothing to do with the President.

What has President Bush done that has affected gun owners either positively or negatively? Not much because the President in general doesn't really reulate social issues.

[FairOpinion]

Simon is supporting Rudy, did you know that?

[nopardons]

What on earth ARE you talking about?

Dems and GOPers NEVER have debated each other, during the primary season; NEVER! And provide a source that says that Rudy isn't going to Iowa and N.H.!

You appear to know absolutely NOTHING whatsoever about politics, so WHY are you posting?

[FairOpinion]

"In case you didn't notice, this is a conservative website, not a Republican website."


No kidding! Really? And I thought it's Hillary's cheering section, the way people around here keep pushing candidates who will ensure a Hillary victory and a Dem Congress.

But nobody can explain to me how THAT will further the conservative agenda -- all those find judges Hillary will appoint and the Dem Congress will rubberstamp.

[FairOpinion]

"fine judges appointed by Hillary" -- typo.

She will find plenty of socialist activist judges.

[PhiKapMom]

Simon held a fundraiser for Rudy in fact the end of January!

[EternalVigilance]

No kidding! Really? And I thought it's Hillary's cheering section, the way people around here keep pushing candidates who will ensure a Hillary victory and a Dem Congress.

Well, there's the company line from the leftwing of the GOP: to not support the leftist Giuliani is to support the leftist Clinton...even though Rudy admits himself that there is no discernable difference between the two of them on policy.

[RightOnTheLeftCoast]

"Rudy is personally a gun control advocate as am I. If you are from the NYC metropolitan area as he and I are, its hard not to be."

Hm, and just a few posts ago my stance on self-defense was being called emotional.

I'd love to know more about your reasoning for supporting victim disarmament. A more nonsensical policy position is hard for me to imagine, nor one more illibertarian. And beyond that, the Constitution isn't something to pick-and-choose from. It's the ultimate law of the land. I'm naturally wary of politicians who treat it like an a la carte menu.

As to Bush, among other things he hired John Ashcroft, who convincingly (and successfully) argued for the individual-right view of the Second Amendment before the Supreme Court. That was a watershed. Bush has been the most pro-self-defense president in memory. There's enormous institutional inertia, of course, and now is not the time to go wobbly with a President who isn't foursquare behind individual gun rights.