Rudy’s a No-Go

nationalreview.com ^ | February 6, 2007 | Terence P. Jeffrey

[Hambone02]

“Murder and graffiti are two vastly different crimes,” Rudy Giuliani once said. “But they are part of the same continuum, and a climate that tolerates one is more likely to tolerate the other.”

Good point, Rudy.

Now, what about a climate — not to mention a Republican presidential candidate — that not only tolerates, but allows unelected judges to legalize the practice of delivering a child until only its head remains within its mothers womb so the child can be killed by sucking out its brains?

What about a climate where same-sex couples are given the same legal status as married couples, whether the resulting arrangements are candidly called “same-sex marriages,” or are semantically papered-over with terms such as “civil unions” or “domestic partnerships”?

[Hambone02]

Yeah. Like I've been saying: RUDY IS NO CONSERVATIVE!

[Patrick1]

The Romney crowd is heard from.

[Paige]

Good! Maybe some Conservatives need to WAKE UP!!!

[kjo]

If the GOP nominates McCain or Rudy G. millions of conservatives will seek a third party. Okay, so it elects Hillary. I DON'T CARE. We can get through four years of Hillary, we got through four years of Carter.

If the GOP thinks we have no where else to go, I have news for them: the Constitution Party is making a lot of sense. Google them.

[areafiftyone]

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[RC2]

Yeah, and he got rid of all the hookers in New York. Now what is a guy supposed to do when going there? There's just no justice in this world I tell ya.

[Hambone02]

Sorry. Didn't see it.

[Patrick1]

Okay, so it elects Hillary. I DON'T CARE

I guess for next eight years you don't plan on going into a skyscraper, riding on a subway, a bus, going to a wedding, eating in a cafe or hotel, going to a resort....etc. etc.

[familyop]

...true. Look at the evidence (instead of the rhetoric from Giuliani fans), and draft Gingrich/Duncan.

Newt Gingrich on the issues
http://www.ontheissues.org/Newt_Gingrich.htm

Duncan Hunter on the issues.
http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Duncan_Hunter.htm

[swatter]

Quotes Yoda: "Eat their young do they? Hmmm, not a political party I want to be involved in. May the Force get with them!!"

[Hambone02]

This is the stupidest repetitive argument, yet apparently the best there is in support of Giuliani. His supporters don't have any reason to vote for him, except to keep out the Hildabeast. That is a very good reason, don't get me wrong. That said, I want a conservative in office, not a stealth liberal. I will vote for Rudy if he makes it through the primaries, but I am hoping he doesn't. Then, it will be to keep Hillary out. What we need is a true-blue (or should I say red) conservative candidate, not a watered down version of conservatism.

[gondramB]

>>What about a climate where same-sex couples are given the same legal status as married couples, whether the resulting arrangements are candidly called “same-sex marriages,” or are semantically papered-over with terms such as “civil unions” or “domestic partnerships”?<<

I'm not a Guiliani supporter and will never vote for him in the primary (although I'll certainly vote for the closest to true conservative in the general which might be Rudy if he gets the nomination.)

But there is an important distinction between same-sex marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships.

The government has no business legalizing same sex marriage or civil unions - marriage is something we incent because we believe that is the best way to raise a family. Its not just same sex couples who can't marry - its also people with communicable VD, close relatives and people who are already married - because the government has no business encouraging those kinds of relationships.

Domestic partnerships are different. The doctrine of equal rights but no special rights dictates that any two (or three ) sane adults should be able to enter into a legally binding private contract and to hold whatever religious ceremony they wish. There are all kinds of people who form families other than one man/ one woman couples. Its not just same sex couples - it could be a Grandmother raising a grandchild or two elderly siblings carrying for each other. Everyone should be free to enter private agreements and form a family of choice but not to get government rewards for it.

[Hambone02]

That is exactly the ticket I'm looking for!!! Thank you. I was beginning to think I was an endangered species in FR.

[ExpatGator]

"I guess for next eight years you don't plan on going into a skyscraper, riding on a subway, a bus, going to a wedding, eating in a cafe or hotel, going to a resort....etc. etc."

I am armed everywhere I go and am not in the least bit limited by fear of terrorist attacks. We should all be armed, and Rudy is no friend of armed Americans.

[eleni121]

RUDY IS NO CONSERVATIVE!

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I'm with you on this but in these perilous times I would even vote for him rather than live to see any Democrap in the WH.

[basil]

You are correct in saying that the Constitution Party makes a lot of sense. However, a third party candidate always takes votes away from conservatives. Remember how we got Klintoon?

I really don't care a lot for Guiliani and won't vote for him in the primaries--but I'll take him over Hillary any day!

[SaxxonWoods]

"If the GOP thinks we have no where else to go, I have news for them: the Constitution Party is making a lot of sense. Google them."

The Naderite mirror image is out, oh goody.

The Constitution Party won't get squat for votes.

Presidents don't control abortion, Supreme Court Judges do. Rudy said he would appoint strict constructionist judges to the SC. Even if he appoints moderates, his appointments will be much better than the libs that Hillary will appoint.

A HILLARY PRESIDENCY WILL CEMENT LEGAL ABORTION ON DEMAND FOR 30 YEARS.

[Irene Adler]

"We can get through four years of Hillary, we got through four years of Carter."

I jujst don't understand this kind of thinking. Every time we get a leftist administration, things get done to this country that cannot be undone. We lose ground PERMANENTLY each time. Regarding Carter, remember the Panama Canal, how about Iran; a lot of the mess we are in right now is due to Carter. So, we got through him, did we? Sure we did. If we get Hillarycare under Hillary, no one will ever want it rescinded no matter how lousy it turns out because no one will want to give up their "free" healthcare, even if they have to wait YEARS to see a specialist. How about Bubba as pres., didn't he have a wonderful effect on the moral health of our society. The emboldened effect he had on the Hollywankers alone was worth the eight years. Yeah, that's what we get when some conservatives take their toys and go home if they don't get the nominee they want.

So you don't care, huh. Well, I do. A Hillary administration would be a disaster for this country; her personality is Stalinist; she is more leftist than Bill ever was, and in the bargain Bill will be hanging around the WH with nothing to do. Doesn't that sound inviting. Rudy ahead of Hillar-me, any day of the week, on so many levels, I can't go into them here.

[icwhatudo]

Only Rudy bots are allowed to repost articles and call in mods-didn't ya know? :)

[gondramB]

>>
I'm with you on this but in these perilous times I would even vote for him rather than live to see any Democrap in the WH.<<

What an irony that if were not the President's brother Jeb Bush would be a front runner.

[TAdams8591]

Excellent article! Thank you for the post. Guilianni is a Liberal who I believe neither deserves, or will get, the Republican nomination for the presidency. If by some set of odd cirumstances he does get the nod, Republicans should be prepared to lose.

[swatter]

Quotes Yoda: "Eat their young do they? Hmmm, not a political party I want to be involved in. May the Force get with them!!"

[Hambone02]

I will vote for him if he makes it past the primaries. Then, and only then, it will be to keep out Hitlery.

[Jim Noble]

No candidate who opposes ESC research can get more than 35% of the vote in a national election.

That's how it is.

Deal with it.

[American Quilter]

Hey, familyop! Good to see you.

I'm becoming very interested in Duncan Hunter. He appears to be the most conservative candidate running.

[Hambone02]

If you think for a second that Rudy will appoint judges that will be anti-abortion, don't pass that drink to me. He says he would appoint Thomas/Scalia type judges. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever, considering he supports everything they don't. And abortion isn't the only issue he is liberal on. There is a very long list.

[TAdams8591]

I really think its wiser to wait if and until Guilianni is nominated by Republicans as their presidential candidate (which I say isn't going to happen), before we get into this argument yet again.

[Hambone02]

I missed the memo. Thank you for the enlightenment! : )

[Hambone02]

I thought it was good, too. Apparently I reposted though. Hopefully they will have mercy on me. ;)

[familyop]

"That is exactly the ticket I'm looking for!!! Thank you. I was beginning to think I was an endangered species in FR."

You're very welcome and not even close to being an endangered species. Have another look at the FR Poll. Giuliani fans are rather noisy, verbose and shrill (like others we know of). They even have the big media propagandizing hard and skewing surveys for them with respondent hens who have time to answer surveys and lie about their party affiliations (as feminists have pretended to be Republicans for over 150 years to sway our Republican Party). But they're not very numerous.

Free Republic Opinion Poll: If the short list for Republican Nominee were narrowed down to the following, which one would you favor?

Composite Opinion
Newt Gingrich	27.8%		2,165
Duncan Hunter	21.6%		1,679
Rudy Giuliani	15.5%		1,206
Tom Tancredo	11.7%		911
Mitt Romney	7.9%		612
Undecided/pass	6.8%		527
Ron Paul	6.3%		493
John McCain	2.3%		181
	99.9%		7,774
Member Opinion
Duncan Hunter	26.2%		865
Newt Gingrich	26.0%		861
Rudy Giuliani	14.1%		465
Tom Tancredo	10.4%		345
Undecided/pass	8.4%		278
Mitt Romney	7.9%		262
Ron Paul	5.4%		180
John McCain	1.5%		50
	99.9%		3,306
Non-Member Opinion
Newt Gingrich	29.2%		1,304
Duncan Hunter	18.2%		814
Rudy Giuliani	16.6%		741
Tom Tancredo	12.7%		566
Mitt Romney	7.8%		350
Ron Paul	7.0%		313
Undecided/pass	5.6%		249
John McCain	2.9%		131
	100.0%		4,468

[Hambone02]

GINGRICH/HUNTER!!

[RockinRight]

My money's on Newt.

[RockinRight]

Now THERE'S something I could go for!

[familyop]

"Hey, familyop! Good to see you.

I'm becoming very interested in Duncan Hunter. He appears to be the most conservative candidate running."

Hi! It's good to see your comments, and I hope that all is going well for you. IMO, we can probably see that Duncan will become more prominent soon enough. Most people have short attention spans, and there's plenty of time before the Election.

[Blackirish]

On Fox Roundtable last nite....

BARNES: The truth is, I think he has an excellent chance of winning the nomination. I wouldn't make him the frontrunner right now, I think the McCain still is. But people like him. There's a reason why his polls have stood up so well, it's not because voters are stupid and don't know about his social liberalism, which is there. But he's not running on it. He's running on these other things and he's not trying to stick his views on abortion and gay civil unions and so on down the throats of conservative voters who don't want that.

He's running on low taxes and what he did in New York. I think there are two striking things about Rudy -- Rudy Giuliani that no other candidate can match -- one, it's the whole 9/11 thing, where he was in a crisis and we saw how he performed. He performed extremely well. And secondly, it's New York City when he was mayor. You know, you can go to New York City and feel and see the difference that he made in that city as mayor. And I don't think you can say that about any mayor in any other city in the country.

HUME: And maybe not about many governors.

[Patrick1]

I'm not planning on voting for Rudy in the primary. But if he is the nominee I will certainly not vote for some fool third party. Suicide is not an option.

[RockinRight]

I'm with you too.

Rudy at the very least would be easier on my wallet, and tougher on terrorists than Hillary.

[My2Cents]

This has already been posted something like three times.

[Sans-Culotte]

If the GOP thinks we have no where else to go, I have news for them: the Constitution Party is making a lot of sense. Google them.

You could just start your own party and vote for yourself. It'll make the same impact as a Consitution Party vote.

[Beagle8U]

"No candidate who opposes ESC research can get more than 35% of the vote in a national election."

President Bush did.

Deal with it.

[Jim Noble]

President Bush did.

Only because he doesn't mean it.

[hosepipe]

Simply..... Its Newt Gingrich for President -OR-..
The Republican party WILL fracture to smithereens..

George Bush(both of them) (and Bob Dole) cured many die hard pubbies(LIKE ME)..
Hillary gets elected?.. so what.. odds are she will get elected ANYWAY..
Bush BARELY WON both times..

2000 he ran against a moron and in 2004 against a longfaced traitor..
How convient.. I refuse to be herded like a sheep(anymore)..
If Newt don't make thru the primarys I'm going 3rd party..
Newt seems to be the ONLY pubbie with gravitas..

The republican party is ALREADY fractured the RINO pundits are oblivious (as usual)..
2008 is Hillarys to lose.. She won't.. and Bush WILL NOT address the border..
Its Newt Gingrich or the republican party is thru..

Hope the Constitution Party will have time to do something..
before they are OUTLAWED.. and its leaders liquidated..

[BibChr]

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[Beagle8U]

"Only because he doesn't mean it."

Rather weak. First you say nobody can, then when faced with the fact that President Bush did you say he doesn't mean it...lol

[sick1]

Conservative or not, the author really twists the concept that Rudy was making at the time. Rudy's police enforcement program was based in part on the Broken Window Theory. The theory states that small, seemingly inconsequential law breaking set an environment for much larger law breaking. While I don't like it, currently partial birth infanticide is the law of the land.
If the author wanted to write an article stating that Rudy is too pro-life, he could have done it without revealing himself as an intellectual lightweight to lazy to do basic research into the premise on which he based his article. As far as Rudy for prez, I'm unsure myself. I'd like someone more conservative but I balance that against the potential that he may have coattails. If we could get more conservatives into congress (which he'll be obliged to campaign for like made to keep his base secure during the election) and take back the house and senate with some real leaders (Pence vs. Bohner) I'd be happy with Rudy. He's a conservative until it comes to social issues. But Rudy as the man holding the line against a strongly liberal congress, not so good past the war on terror and maybe 2-3 more SC judges. But then again, all things beat president Hillary or Obama.

[moose2004]

Unfortunately neither one has a prayer of winning.

[nepppen]

The key is maintaining our current strenght or better in the senate. It doesn't matter what happens we can block, block, and did i mention block.

[Russ]

If Newt is the nominee it will be the biggest Republican loss since Goldwater. The big money guys and power brokers and Northeast Rinos will sit on their wallets and let him sink. You might as well face it, it's either going to be Mitt or Rudy with McCain as a long shot. My money is on Rudy.

[RockinRight]

Rudy's got a LOT of work to do to convince me that he's worthy of my vote.

Yeah, when it comes down to it, I'd vote for him over Hillary. But I'm sick of friggin' RINOs. And sick of the Mexican invasion, and excessive taxation, and homo celebration...

[newzjunkey]

Rudy is not a serious candidate. He's been a federal prosecutor and a *MAYOR*. His record and positions are barely in the same universe as the Republican platform.