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| Feb 2, 2007
Posted on 02/02/2007 12:23:59 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
There must be a treaty against using dum dum's.
And we always play by the rules.
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:26:19 PM PST
by
siunevada
(If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
To: John Jorsett
Meanwhile, the Marines have "discovered" all those M14's that went "missing" a few years ago and are busily refurbishing and reissuing them...
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:26:40 PM PST
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: John Jorsett
I say give em all M14 receivers in hopped up metal or fiberglass stocks.
That'll fix em.
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:26:49 PM PST
by
rlmorel
(Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
To: Spktyr
Hah! You beat me to it by a few seconds...:)
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:27:21 PM PST
by
rlmorel
(Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
To: siunevada
Yeah, but such rounds won't penetrate cover or armor AT ALL, which outside of any treaty, makes them pretty much useless on the modern battlefield.
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:27:39 PM PST
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: John Jorsett
I can't remember for sure but wasn't this an issue that was pointed out BEFORE making the decision to go to the 5.56 round instead of the 7.62?
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:28:43 PM PST
by
Domandred
To: John Jorsett
Would this be a good time for someone to post a Garand or BAR picture?
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:28:48 PM PST
by
Mr. Lucky
To: John Jorsett
Deja vu all over again...........
To: John Jorsett
Skinny people live longer.
To: John Jorsett
The 5.56 round is obsolete. They are developing even smaller rounds with a velocity of 4,000 fps. But they are for shots at 100 yards or less. Beyond that..I agree.. 7.62mm.
To: John Jorsett
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:30:33 PM PST
by
taxed2death
(A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
To: John Jorsett
Are Iraqi's any more slender than NVA or Viet Cong infantrymen? I'm sure that this is indeed a problem, but didn't Army Ordnance shelve it's immediate plans to go to a new 6.8 mm infantry rifle?
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:30:33 PM PST
by
Tallguy
To: siunevada
Indeed there are. Exploding, mushrooming, and other bullets that cause "unnecessary harm and suffering" are not banned under international treaty. Oddly enough, silencers and flash suppressors are also restricted, and I have no idea why. That's why we need one of those microwave guns fast. Just wholesale cook the bastards.
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:30:55 PM PST
by
domenad
(In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
To: doorgunner69
To: John Jorsett
To: John Jorsett
There is a REASON why 30 caliber rounds were the mainstay of the battle field during the two largest wars. AR10 and M14 bring firepower when needed.
Oh and by the way .... long range is not 100 meters.... more like 300 meters. Out there, you really do want some heavy lead.
To: siunevada
There must be a treaty against using dum dum's... Yes there is - it's called the Geneva Convention and the signatories have to use 'full metal jacketed' ammunition so that it doesn't 'mushroom' on impact. Of course Al Quaida is not a signatory but it doesn't matter - we are and will will continue to comply...
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:32:03 PM PST
by
Friend_from_the_Frozen_North
(Temps were down to -40 Fahrenheit (now 30 Above); guess ALGORE is right - we have been Warmin' Up!)
To: rlmorel
Behold, the USMC Designated Marksman Rifle. Look familiar? It should...
T"he United States Marine Corps Designated Marksman Rifle (DMR, NSN 1005-01-458-6235; more formally the United States Rifle, 7.62-MM, M14, DMR) is a semi-automatic, gas-operated rifle chambered for the 7.62 × 51 mm NATO cartridge. It is a modified and accurized version of the M14 rifle built and utilized solely by the United States Marine Corps (USMC)." USMC DMR
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:32:08 PM PST
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: rlmorel
The 5.56 is the wrong bullet for this war. We are taking longer shots at clear targets. The 7.62-51 is the right cartridge for these shots. However, in a clearing operation of a building the M-16s small size is a plus, and at close range it is very lethal and carries 30 rounds in each magazine. I would think that a platoon would need a mixture of both weapons to be the most effective.
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posted on
02/02/2007 12:32:54 PM PST
by
cpdiii
(Oil Field Trash and proud of it, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast)
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