Posted on 01/30/2007 3:15:39 PM PST by RepublicanPOTUSin08
A friend of mine was at a fundraiser for Rudy Giuliani in Los Angeles last night. His walkaway thought: “[Rudy] might have a tough time in the primary but he will crush in the general.”
Said friend says of last night: “I have to tell you the man is very impressive. When he talks about the war on terror he does so more clearly than anyone I have heard including the President. He doesn't bash the President ever and this was LA where he could really get away with it.”
Rudy did an immigration bit that was “to the right of everyone else except maybe Tancredo. He talked about immigration in terms of national security. He said we needed to revamp our entire system so that we can get good people. He also said that if the twelve million already here expected to get any type of citizenship they would have to prove that they could read, write, and speak English.”
The fundraiser was sponsored by Bill Simon (who worked with Rudy in the U.S. Attorney’s office). My friend, who is the rare pro-life, Hollywood hawk, left wondering if he could support Rudy if it came to that. “We all know where Rudy is on abortion but my question is what does he think of Judges Roberts and Alito? If he says that he would appoint judges of like mind then I think he can skate on the abortion issue because it does come down to the judges.” It was Hollywood though so no one asked about any social issues.
The Real Rudy Giuliani:
From Human Events:
Pro-Illegal Immigration
As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:
"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."
That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:
"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."
If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.
CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS
Welcome to FreeRepublic. Get ready to be flamed for trying to allow Rudy to speak for himself on the issues. Some here prefer to speak for him.
PING a LING!!!
Here we go again. :-)
NYC is a city rich in immigrants, and Rudy at the time was concerned that the federal government was going to cast too wide a net and punish the folks who set up the food stands and such to make a living while waiting for their papers to clear.
Rudy has already came out in favor of border security, so your post is moot.
yeah right. i heard him with my own ears last fall brag about how he broke federal laws to help illegals in NYC when he was mayor... you think may he's like bush, this is not amnesty, while he gives the USA away? much as i'd like to see it i would HAVE to see it done.
Your first post on FR, and you propagate a Big Lie. Doubt you'll last long...
Said friend says of last night: “I have to tell you the man is very impressive. When he talks about the war on terror he does so more clearly than anyone I have heard including the President. He doesn't bash the President ever and this was LA where he could really get away with it.”
Rudy did an immigration bit that was “to the right of everyone else except maybe Tancredo. He talked about immigration in terms of national security. He said we needed to revamp our entire system so that we can get good people. He also said that if the twelve million already here expected to get any type of citizenship they would have to prove that they could read, write, and speak English.”
WOW!
I don't know, dude... If Rudy told the illegals to learn English or go home, that would be pretty impressive!
His record speaks for itself:
Rudy can be a fierce political warrior. Unfortunately, in the case of illegal immigration, he was one on behalf of exactly the kind of illegal foreign nationals who flew the planes into the WTC. And he was willing to do it in defiance of the laws and the Congress.
The spin coming out of the Giuliani camp is unbelievable. And I mean that quite literally...
So what are Giuliani's conservative positions aside from the war on terror? Can you give me, let's say, three? Giuliani doesn't even talk about the second amendment on his campaign website. The guy is a leftist. Just admit that, and say you want him because he can win and he made you feel good after September 11, 2001. It's not hard. But pretending Giuliani is some Reagan conservative, when his position on the second amendment is to the left of a lot of congressional democrats just ain't right.
He is still just as pro-illegal as he always was. He's just pandering for votes. If he wasn't running for president, he'd still be the Ed Koch wannabe he's always been.
The key word here is "bit", which rightly insinuates that it was RINO-rudy ACTING like a true conservative, which, of course, is LAUGHABLE.
Maybe it was a COMEDY "bit".
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Giuliani | Clinton | Dem Platform | GOP Platform |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Abortion on Demand | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Partial Birth Abortion | Supports Opposed NY ban |
Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Roe v. Wade | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Taxpayer Funded Abortions | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Embryonic Stem Cell Research | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Federal Marriage Amendment | Opposes | Opposes | Opposes Defined at state level |
Supports |
| Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Openly Gay Military | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Defense of Marriage Act | Opposes | Opposes | Opposes | Supports |
| Amnesty for Illegal Aliens | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens |
Opposes | Opposes | Opposes | Supports |
| Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Protecting 2nd Amendment | Opposes |
Opposes | Opposes Supports bans |
Supports |
| Confiscating Guns | Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged. |
Supports | Supports Supports bans |
Opposes |
| 'Assault' Weapons Ban | Supports | Supports | Supports | |
| Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers |
Supports Filed One Himself |
Supports | Opposes | |
| Gun Registration/Licenses | Supports | Supports | Opposes | |
| War in Afghanistan | Supports | Supports Voted for it |
Supports | Supports |
| War in Iraq | Supports | Supports Voted for it |
Supports Weak support |
Supports |
| Patriot Act | Supports | Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006 |
Opposes | Supports |
I heard him with my own ears say he was for the amnesty program. I don't remember the details of how he helped the NYC illegals. He ain't no tancredo...... I immediately started looking at other candidates for their amnesty stands, is when i thought Mitt was going be against amnesty, speech he gave to heritate. waiting to see if that is true. no one would be happier for rudy to be anti amnesty than me. I'd have to hear him with my own ears and he'd have to spell it out real slow.
You know Newt came out with that, and he's been meeting with Newt. that's not antiamnesty.
their richness,
bankrupted us
and turned our neighborhoods
into nothing more than turd world ghettos.
guiliani KNEW exactly what he was doing and illegal immmigration was already a well established FACT.
He shows his disdain for the second amendment on speeches on his official mayoral website. Here are some quotes and a link to one of his many anti-gun speeches:
"Just as unimpeded interstate travel is Constitutionally guaranteed, but we reserve the right to regulate driving automobiles, so too must we sensibly regulate gun purchases to preserve the safety of all Americans.”
“However, guns kill many more people than automobiles do, even though there are many more cars than guns, and cars are used much more often than guns. ”
“Perhaps, we should require insurance for handguns. If liability insurance were required to purchase and own a handgun, you better believe that the insurance industry would promulgate a pretty rigorous licensing and purchasing process to control the risk.”
“I know many people argue that keeping and bearing arms is federally guaranteed right as stated in the Second Amendment of the Constitution. But even in the Second Amendment, it refers to firearms in the context of a well regulated militia, and well regulated is what we're trying to accomplish.”
“And even as we grieve for those who lost their lives, and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones, we may be able to find some sort of meaning in this tragedy by using it as a catalyst to revive national gun control efforts.”
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/rwg/html/97a/ccc.html
Giuliani:immigration::Romney:abortion
Ed Koch at least has some charm.
The thing I really love is that you people can't stop us from voting.
When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law.
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1886
Great post.
Ping
"Rudy wants to seal the borders AND assimilate immigrants!"
My trousers overflow with this pantload. :-\
What are your previous screen names on FR?
Not only is RINO-rudy a inner-city police-state big-government jack-booted-thug lawyer, he's IGNORANT when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.
"Well regulated", at the time when the Bill of Rights was penned, meant well TRAINED, not the modern "regulated" meaning, which is taken, by Himmleresque bureaucrats like RINO-rudy to mean CONTROLLED by GOVERNMENT.
RINO-rudy is a gun-grabber of the worst kind, and can NOT be allowed to ascend to ANY position of national power and prominence.
That truth can't be repeated too many times.
IB4Z...
I don't have the figures handy, but I don't believe this is true EITHER.
This anti-gun fanatic will say or do anything to advance his gun-grabbing views.
We can't afford to let him do it on the national stage.
Go home to your God-forsaken inner-city hell-hole rudy. They must LIKE the nanny/police-state you and your ilk provide them there.
Ha! Love the "Hellery" icon ;)
Can you do one of these with RINO-rudy on it?
Maybe you could do something striking...
maybe something similar to the photo-shopped RINO screwing the elephant, which is actually what is happening to our party, huh?
More importantly. Rudy supports the Senate's general proposal for comprehensive immigration reform that includes amnesty and a path to citzenship for 15 million illegals. Senate bill S.2611 is the basis for every one of the Senate's liberal immigration reform proposals. Rudy Giuliani stands with Pres Bush, and they both stand with McCain, Kennedy, Hagel, Martinez and the rest of the open borders crowd in the US Senate. Bush is opposed to House bill HR4437 passed back in Dec2005. Its the enforcement ONLY bill. My guess is Rudy opposes it too. Bush and Rudy both stand with the Democrats on this issue.
O'REILLY: In the long term.This interview is a goldmine of quotes to use against Giuliani. He admits to giving sanctuary to 400,000 illegal aliens, he claims that illegal aliens aren't commiting crimes - demonstrating that he doesn't think that illegal immigration is a crime, he admits to giving illegal aliens benefits and "city money", and he admits to being for amnesty ("regularizing" illegals who are already here) for illegal aliens. All in ONE interview.GIULIANI: Long-term over a period of time would be the permanent way to do that.
But you've got to seal the border. And you've got to do it with personnel. And you've got to do it with technology. You've got to have both.
And we have to know who's in the United States. We need to have information about who's in this country. And then you have to have a way in which people can regularize themselves as well. I mean, you need to get people out from under the table.
O'REILLY: So you would give them a pathway to citizenship?
GIULIANI: I would say -- this is a classic thing where you've got to do both, carrot and stick.
O'REILLY: Yes, but you got to do -- I think the stick first.
GIULIANI: You've got to do both.
O'REILLY: You know, you stop it and then back.
When you were the mayor in New York, illegal immigration rose in this city tremendously. I mean, you can't get a cab now with an American in there.
GIULIANI: But crime declined immensely….
GIULIANI: The Immigration and Naturalization Service would only deport 1,500 to 2,000 a year. So I said to myself I have 398,00 illegal immigrants because the federal government is not going to do anything about this. It can't. So I had to figure out how do I deal with it so that I regularize them, so that I.
O'REILLY: So how did you do that?
GIULIANI: They don't commit crimes. They don't - well, we made sure that their children were allowed to go to school for which we were criticized. But if I didn't do that, I would end up with children on the streets. If I had just said well, illegal immigrants can't have their children in school. And we tried to make their lives reasonable.
O'REILLY: How about city services?
GIULIANI: It would have been.
O'REILLY: Did you give them city money?
GIULIANI: Sure, we did. If they were necessary services. We allowed them, for example, to report crimes.
O'REILLY: Without being -- asked what their status was.
GIULIANI: Because we wanted the criminals who were committing the crimes.
O'REILLY: Right.
GIULIANI: A criminal can beat up an illegal immigrant today. He can beat you up tomorrow. So we need the.
O'REILLY: So you took the practical approach to it?
GIULIANI: But you've got to take a practical approach to it. There are 12 million illegals in this country. We got to stop illegals from coming in. And a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security that's needed to do that.
People and technology. At the same time, you've got this tremendous number of people who are below the table. As long as you don't know who they are, as long as you can't get them to come forward, you can't identify them, you can't photograph them, you have to figure out who they are, then you have a dangerous situation.
O'REILLY: It's interesting.
GIULIANI: Now terrorists can hide in that group.
O'REILLY: Oh, absolutely.
GIULIANI: And criminals can hide.
My favorite line is when Bill O'Reilly pointed out that while Giuliani was mayor (and running a sanctuary city) that illegal immigration into the city increased tremendously. Giuliani's response was that "crime" declined. It makes it obvious that Giuliani does not understand that illegal immigration IS A CRIME.
He keeps saying he wants to "regularize" illegal aliens. That's just his cute way of saying "grant them amnesty." He just thinks everyone is too stupid to understand what he's talking about. Maybe the next time this line of questioning comes up in an interview he'll avoid using the word amnesty by saying it pig-latin or spelling it out phonetically.
Here is another window into his thoughts on gun control. Read the speech. It shows how liberal & anti-gun Julie-Annie is. Chuck Schumer or Diane Feinstein could have made this speech.
NYC sues gun industry
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/rwg/html/2000a/weekly/wkly0626.html
This is the way I feel. I don't really care if the President if pro-choice (anti-fetus?) or not as long as he (or she) will appoint good judges that don't feel compelled to rewrite the Constitution.
I can do one for people who understand I have a vote and can vote for whoever I want. We, all of us, will vote for our choices without being bullied.
It has a nice ring to it!
I bet HE'S (a dem, no less) more conservative when it comes to our 2nd Amendment rights than RINO-rudy, huh?
Hey onyx, do you think that Rudy Giuliani agrees with the following Party Platform plank on illegal immigration that calls for better security, immigration reform, background checks, English language lessons so that immigrants can read, write, and speak English? One of your pro-Rudy buddies argued that he did.
Today's immigration laws do not reflect our values or serve our security, and we will work for real reform. Undocumented immigrants within our borders who clear a background check, work hard and pay taxes should have a path to earn full participation in America. We will hasten family reunification for parents and children, husbands and wives, and offer more English-language and civic education classes so immigrants can assume all the rights and responsibilities of citizenship. As we undertake these steps, we will work with our neighbors to strengthen our security so we are safer from those who would come here to harm us.
Is this where Giuliani stands on immigration?
Giuliani has stated that the illegal border invaders serve a purpose for our economy and he has provided them safe haven in New York City in years past. His position is quite well known and documented. He is 100% in favor of amnesty.
It is the RINO-rudy-rooters (do I need to pay royalties on this Spiff?) who are FULL of BULLying us about RINO-rudy.
It's rather obvious he was referring to violent and property crime. Murder, theft, arson, vandalism, etc. Most people place these in a slightly different class that crimes that don't do direct injury to anyone. Speeding and jaywalking are crimes, too. (Of course, you would never do that.) Anyone who insists on placing illegal immigration on a part with the acts I first mentioned above is out of his mind.
Sounds like he's in campaign mode. If he talks like the above stated, he'll garner votes.
Earlier today, I tried unsucessfully to find information on the dates of the first of the candidate debates. I guess they're not yet scheduled.
I can't remember exactly when Iowa holds their straw poll, but I am thinking August or thereabout?
Liberals "feel," conservatives "think."
"Fetus" is another word for "baby." How can anyone stomach someone in any position of power or authority who is anti-baby? I don't get it...
But, since "feeling" is your thing, now do you feel about them brutally killing fifty million Americans like the one below?
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By the way, if you think any liberal is going to interpret the Constitution according to the Founders' intent, you've at the very least very naive.
Yeah. It's August.
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