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Is 'Making Available' Copyright Infringement? ~ ALERT for personal computer owners....
Hollywood Reporter ^ | January 22, 2007 | Ray Beckerman

Posted on 01/25/2007 10:57:29 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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Another reason I don't buy any CD's. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.


21 posted on 01/25/2007 12:22:48 PM PST by excalibur1701
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To: ctdonath2
It's generally understood that you DON'T use the library's copier to duplicate an entire book.

I think that's only a matter of simple economics and ROI. 250 pages at 15 cents per is likely much more costly than just buying the book. General understanding doesn't have anything to do with it -- the option is available and I (er, I know a guy) who have done it.

22 posted on 01/25/2007 12:31:14 PM PST by sbMKE
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Where is the legality in backdooring into people's harddrives and pulling files -- it's not illegal when the RIAA does it? How again is this different than someone walking in my front door and burning off a copy of files from my pc uninvited?


23 posted on 01/25/2007 12:33:31 PM PST by sbMKE
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To: darkwing104
"While the P2P programs are running the files in the P2P's shared folders are available for distribution through the internet."

I'm assuming you are a nonuser because this is the second not-quite-right statement you've made on P2P.

Different apps handle sharing differently but the better ones can be configured on how it shares so in general:


Please don't take my comments as 'calling you out' nor supporting software piracy/copyright infringement. I use it strictly for Linux distributions and legal game patches / demos. Many legit companies use P2P distributed networks to distribute their software because it save them the money of hosting it themselves
24 posted on 01/25/2007 12:33:32 PM PST by PissAndVinegar (Just Trolling by..... ;-)
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To: PissAndVinegar
Many legit companies use P2P distributed networks to distribute their software because it save them the money of hosting it themselves.

Depends on the P2P software you use...Some do and some don't. You have to watch out on which P2P program you are talking about or using, Some contain adware and others are Spyware. I'll bet RIAA have something to do with the spyware varients.

Off hand, I know Red Hat uses it and that is how World of Warcraft distribute updates.


25 posted on 01/25/2007 12:41:41 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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Highlighting this:

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RIAA Research Behind Claims
The roots of the "making available" issue lie not in the RIAA lawyers' draftsmanship skills but in the limited investigation upon which the lawsuits are predicated.

The RIAA's research begins and ends with its investigator, Tom Mizzone, who works for "antipiracy" company MediaSentry.

Armed with proprietary software, Mizzone uses a pretextual P2P file-sharing account on Kazaa, Gnutella, iMesh, LimeWire and other P2P software providers to locate shared-file folders that contain recordings whose copyrights are owned by the Big Four.


Mizzone takes a screenshot, downloads a few of the songs and, through another proprietary process, determines the dynamic IP address assigned to the screenshot.

Then the RIAA, armed with a court order, goes to the Internet service provider to get the name and address of the owner of the Internet-access account to which the dynamic IP address had been assigned at the time the screenshot was taken.

The RIAA then closes its investigation and simply sues the owner of the account identified by the ISP.

26 posted on 01/25/2007 12:54:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: sbMKE

See post #26 as to how the RIAA is investigating....


27 posted on 01/25/2007 12:55:41 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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Info :

MediaSentry

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MediaSentry is a company that provides services to the music recording, motion picture, television, and software industries for locating and identifying IP addresses who are engaged in the use of peer-to-peer (P2P) networks to share material in violation of copyright. The company provides several services for this purpose, such as monitoring popular forums for copyright infringement, aid in litigation, and early leak detection. MediaSentry also made use of illegitimate P2P clients and servers. MediaSentry is used by the RIAA to identify individuals to sue for alleged copyright infringement.

28 posted on 01/25/2007 12:59:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: HAL9000; sbMKE; darkwing104; PissAndVinegar; ctdonath2; RobRoy; steve-b; TC Rider
In Foundation v. UPC Nederland[1], MediaSentry's investigative methods were held by an appeals court in the Netherlands to be unreliable. [2]Foundation v. UPC Nederland, July 13, 2006, Decision of Court of Appeal of Amsterdam. [3] The appeals court affirmed the holding of the District Court of Utrecht [4]that the MediaSentry investigation by Tom Mizzone was an insufficiently reliable basis to warrant directing Dutch ISP's to turn over confidential customer information to the RIAA's Netherlands counterpart: "neither the affidavits nor the cross-examination of Mr. Millin pro[...]vide clear and comprehensive evidence as to how the pseudonyms of the KaAaA or iMesh users were linked to the IP addresses identified by MediaSentry. No evidence was presented that the alleged infringers either distributed or authorized the reproduction of sound recordings. They merely placed personal copies into their shared directories which were accessible by other computer users via a P2P service." The appeals court agreed with the independent experts report of Prof. Henk Sips and Dr. Johan Pouwelse of the Parallel and Distributed Systems research group at Delft University of Technology[5] that MediaSentry's Tom Mizzone had not taken the "necessary precautions" in conducting his 'investigation' and that his investigation was 'limited' and 'simplistic', failing to "resolve... relevant technical problems such as superpeer hopping, NAT translation, and firewall relaying....[failing to implement] "actual complete file transfer....simply [taking] filenames at face value and ...[failing to make] any correction for pollution on Kazaa [despite] [p]ollution levels [on Kazaa which] can be as high as 90% for some files....[not being aware of] the limitations of Kazaa in file searching. Not many of the 2,499,121 users online would be able to see the mentioned 736 files. Reliable global searching in P2P file sharing networks is still an unsolved problem. Only users connected to the same Kazaa Superpeer are guaranteed to see these files when Kazaa operates properly (roughly 100 to 150 users as measured by Prof. Keith Ross)....[failing to take] computer hygiene precautions ..... The collected evidence of the spacemansam@KaZaA alias [query] contains multi-peer downloading contamination. Therefore, it is difficult to establish the contribution of the various IP-addresses. It is possible that some IP-addresses contributed 0 Bytes to an actual download, thus there was only involvement and no actual contribution". The Netherlands litigation came to the fore over a year later[6] in UMG v. Lindor[7], a United States case, in which the RIAA is trying to prevent Ms. Lindor's attorneys from seeing the MediaSentry agreements spelling out the "instructions", "parameters", and "processes" of Mr. Mizzone's investigation, and Ms. Lindor's attorneys argue that the agreements are necessary for a proper deposition and cross-examination of Mr. Mizzone. [8]

Another service MediaSentry provides, according to the testimony of its president, is the placement of deliberately corrupted song files into circulation in order to discourage unauthorized copying. [9]

Although the RIAA states that it entered into the agreements with MediaSentry "on behalf of" its members[10], it appears that only the 'big four' record companies take advantage of MediaSentry services, as all of the known lawsuits have been brought only by those four companies and their affiliates. The RIAA seeks to keep its agreements with MediaSentry secret.[11] Its arguments for "privilege" have been challenged by defendant Marie Lindor.[12]. The motion was fully briefed and argued on November 30, 2006, and as of this writing the parties are awaiting the Court's decision.

In one of the RIAA cases in October 2005, Atlantic v. Andersen, a major record label group was counter-sued for electronic trespass, relating to activities carried out by MediaSentry. The company is suspected of invading personal home computers and harvesting personal information. A French court has ruled that the type of "pretext" search performed by MediaSentry is unlawful under the laws of the European Union.[13]

On June 13, 2005, Mediasentry was acquired by SafeNet.

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29 posted on 01/25/2007 1:03:35 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Another service MediaSentry provides, according to the testimony of its president, is the placement of deliberately corrupted song files into circulation in order to discourage unauthorized copying.

perhaps containing a virus?

I don't download music but I see a problem concerning privacy and the possible abuse of legal owners using their own property. It's almost bordering on privacy invasion.


30 posted on 01/25/2007 1:12:16 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104

If you know it is there, you are liable.


31 posted on 01/25/2007 1:16:39 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

>>If you know it is there, you are liable.<<

It looks like we are gonna find out. Based on what I read in post 29 though, this looks to get very, VERY interesting.


32 posted on 01/25/2007 1:24:10 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: darkwing104
This can't be true, during the CES, Bill Gates was saying that every home would soon need a server to store movies, music, photos, and other documents to SHARE with others.

I guess RIAA needs to speak with Bill.

33 posted on 01/25/2007 1:28:13 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: darkwing104
That tells me that anyone with a wireless router have better secure it. ASAP before the RIAA comes knocking on your door.

Exactly the opposite. To sue you successfully, the RIAA has to prove that YOU, and not just your connection, were responsible for the downloading. There have been many cases now where RIAA suits have been dropped because the people used wireless routers and the RIAA had no way to confirm who the actual owner of the downloading computer was.

You can expect them to subpoena your computer to do a forensic analysis if you try that argument (and DON'T just try to delete the files or reformat the computer...some lady did that and ended up in jail for violating the subpoena), but if your computer is genuinely clean you have nothing to worry about.

You can also just do what I do. Don't download music from the P2P sites. It may save you money, but it's not worth the hassle.
34 posted on 01/25/2007 1:29:41 PM PST by Arthalion
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Vista will save us..../sarcasm


35 posted on 01/25/2007 1:41:40 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Arthalion
You can also just do what I do. Don't download music from the P2P sites. It may save you money, but it's not worth the hassle.

I don't, my computers are legit. I sleep better at night.


36 posted on 01/25/2007 1:49:59 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Arthalion
I find it astounding the number of people who defend their 'right' to copy and distribute music, movies, games etc.

What is so hard about the basic concept of paying for a product that was produced and distributed in a legal format?

I am honestly and truly amazed by the 'righteous indignation' of people against the RIAA and others who seek to protect their legal copyrights.
37 posted on 01/25/2007 1:58:45 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Arthalion

Well, they had better hurry up with my subpoena, because I'm about to replace both of my desktops. 'Sides, I never keep more than 10 or 20 songs in my "shared" folder.


38 posted on 01/25/2007 2:02:04 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: BlueNgold

I haven't bought a CD since late 1997. I have bought LOTS of music DVD's though.

In the late 60's and early 70's, I recorded songs off the radio. Then I moved on to recording my albums for use in the car. Now I get my music off P2P.

'Course, I have never downloaded something less than 10 years old, other than for curiosities sake.

Actually purchasing pre-recorded music is SOOOOOO 20th century. The model is dead.

Pre-recorded music is a comodity, something to get free with a happy meal, etc.

Heck, the only reason I even download music is to learn the songs for my band. But then, downloading is completely legal.


39 posted on 01/25/2007 2:06:40 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: RobRoy

I hope you're joking...


40 posted on 01/25/2007 2:09:41 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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