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Burma 'orders Christians to be wiped out'
telegraph ^ | 21/01/2007 | Peter Pattisson in Kayin State

Posted on 01/20/2007 7:13:51 PM PST by Flavius

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To: SamuraiScot

" When a Buddhist monk burnt himself alive—something he had pre-arranged with a photographer, so the picture would be published in America—Diem's wife, Mme. Nhu, described it as a "barbecue."

I liked her style."

I hadn't thought of that in years. I do remember our reaction to the monk was "What an idiot!" And Mme Nhu, well Mme Nhu was one tough dragon lady!


21 posted on 01/20/2007 8:32:17 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: hellbender
Hmm... this is not the Buddhism I know. It sounds like a newd breed of Buddhists -- the Buddhofascists; at least they haven't taken to chopping off heads yet.
22 posted on 01/20/2007 8:33:25 PM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Flavius
Elaine: You speak Burmese?

J. Peterman, with the utmost seriousness: No, Elaine, that was just gibberish.
23 posted on 01/20/2007 8:34:07 PM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Well the deal in Burma is the non-Burmese ethnic groups they don't like also tend to be Christians.

But it's hardly anything new - this persecution has been going on for decades.


24 posted on 01/20/2007 8:39:24 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Flavius

Wowsers!! I've heard of bad tourist marketing campaigns before, but this one ranks right on up there with the worst of the worst.

Burma is starting to make a Disney vacation look attractive!!


25 posted on 01/20/2007 9:45:28 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Buddhism is a religion of peace. Either these guys are not Buddhists, or they are Buddhisofascists which again doesn't make sense.

The world is definately upside down. Neologism of the day - Bhuddhio-fascism.

26 posted on 01/20/2007 11:49:29 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: SamuraiScot
Now that you mention it, the Buddhists weren't peaceful in Vietnam, either. In the pocket of the North Viet Communists, agitating and manipulating to bring down the government of Diem, who was Catholic.

Yeah right. It was the Buddhists who were violent.

The Promotion of Catholic Totalitarianism

Having consolidated the State machinery with loyal Catholics, and feeling sure of their loyalty, not to mention of the tacit and indeed active support of his protector, the U.S., Diem took the second step to make his dream come true. He undertook a systematic and well calculated policy against the non-Catholic religions.

His policy was directed at the neutralization, disruption and finally elimination of the Buddhists or Buddhist inspired religions of Vietnam. These sects, many opposing each other on religious and political grounds, could nevertheless equal, and indeed effectively oppose any Catholic administration, had they created a united front.

Diem's policy was a subtle one. He encouraged their dissension. This he did by giving bribes, by sending agents in their midst, by promising official protection, and by denying the same to others. The result became apparent in no time. The religious sects fell into the Diem trap. They began to fight one another with increasing bitterness. This culminated with the internecine religious-political feud, between the Binh Xuyen, and the Hao Hao and the Cao Dai groups. Their enmity was not only religious, it was concretely real. Their battle was a bloody one. At one time various quarters of Saigon itself were devastated. The Buddhists set up a committee to give aid to the victims. Diem suppressed them at once.


27 posted on 01/21/2007 12:00:23 AM PST by TigersEye (If you don't understand the 2nd Amendment you don't understand America.)
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To: HungarianGypsy
Buddhism, another religion of peace. That's odd. They usually seem to be.

That's what the mainstream media wants us to believe. If it wasn't for FreeRepublic, we wouldn't be aware of this persecution.

28 posted on 01/21/2007 7:31:56 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: TigersEye
Because Vietnam was actually a religious war. A religious war triggered by the Vatican, the whore of Revelation, chapters 17 and 18.

Avro Manhattan, world authority on Vatican politics, has blown the cover on the real reason our boys suffered and died in Vietnam. He traces their death to the Vatican's passionate desire to make Asia Roman Catholic.

This is from the Publisher's Preface from your source. The text in general is little different from it—that is, big on conspiracy and short on references. I'll have to set a deep-crank alert on this one. See http://www.reformation.org/publish.html for further wacky thrills.

29 posted on 01/21/2007 8:21:04 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot

It fits right in with your first comment. Big on style short on substance.


30 posted on 01/21/2007 9:45:32 PM PST by TigersEye (If you don't understand the 2nd Amendment you don't understand America.)
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To: Flavius

But I thought Buddhism was a religion of peace, too!


31 posted on 01/21/2007 9:48:16 PM PST by aruanan
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To: SamuraiScot
Back in the day the question going around was:

Q: What burns 5 gallons of gas but doesn't get anywhere?

A: A buddist monk

32 posted on 01/21/2007 9:51:45 PM PST by oneolcop (Take off the gloves!)
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To: Flavius
Very sad Father Clement Vismara was a missionary in Burma for 65 years and died in 1988. The Karens with the long necks are very Catholic.

Now the government is outlawing Google.

33 posted on 01/21/2007 10:11:37 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." — Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: TigersEye
It fits right in with your first comment. Big on style short on substance.

Then . . . why did you post it? I mean, it's really nutty, with fantasies about the Jesuits out to force the world to convert to Catholicism. And this was supposed to be going on in the 1950s and 60s, when the Jesuit order was melting down into liberal ooze? That's just for starters.

You don't endorse this book, do you?

34 posted on 01/22/2007 12:24:15 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot; All
I don't know much about that book or Jesuits. I might ask my teacher who was educated in a Jesuit high school. I do know that much of what is said in that book about Diem and the oppression of Buddhists is true. It can be easily corroborated by other sources.

I was amazed by the ignorance of Buddhism displayed on this thread. Not to mention the ignorance about Bhutan which could be so easily dispelled with a Google search. The government in Bhutan is a military junta which has brutalized its entire population, which is mostly Buddhist, for quite some time. It wasn't you who said it so I don't expect you to answer; what Buddhist principles does the Bhutanese government embody?

I guess I'll just drop it.

35 posted on 01/22/2007 1:37:01 AM PST by TigersEye (If you don't understand the 2nd Amendment you don't understand America.)
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To: TigersEye
Not to mention the ignorance about Bhutan which could be so easily dispelled with a Google search. The government in Bhutan is a military junta which has brutalized its entire population, which is mostly Buddhist, for quite some time.

You post does very little to prove your point.

36 posted on 01/22/2007 6:32:05 AM PST by zimdog
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To: TigersEye
This is the kind of information I was recalling. Below is an article linked on FR today from the Monitor on the lies and distortions minted by journalists like David Halberstam and Neil Sheehan. Below, "they" refers to these Pulitzer-winning journalists:

Diem mishandled the Buddhist protests of mid-1963, they contended, by using a heavy hand instead of offering concessions. In truth, Diem did make concessions initially, but the Buddhists responded by accelerating their protests, enumerating more fictitious grievances, and demanding Diem's removal. Halberstam, Sheehan, and Karnow largely dismissed Diem's contention that the Buddhists were infiltrated with Communist agents, yet newly available Communist sources reveal that Diem was correct.

I seem to have forgotten how to create a link, but the url is: http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0122/p09s01-coop.html

Best, SS

37 posted on 01/22/2007 11:02:18 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot

Thanks. I'll check it out.


38 posted on 01/23/2007 11:15:19 AM PST by TigersEye (If you don't understand the 2nd Amendment you don't understand America.)
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To: zimdog

Which point? I made more than one.


39 posted on 01/23/2007 11:16:19 AM PST by TigersEye (If you don't understand the 2nd Amendment you don't understand America.)
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To: Flavius
The military regime in Burma is intent on wiping out Christianity in the country

Ha...Good luck with that.

We are hard-pressed on every side, yet not crushed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; 9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed -- II Cor. 4:8-9

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. -- Mat. 16:18

40 posted on 01/23/2007 11:24:29 AM PST by opus86
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