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St Petersburg Police Slash Tents of the Homeless
Tampa Tribune ^ | Jan 20, 2007 | Steve Thompsom & Rod Challenger

Posted on 01/20/2007 10:12:26 AM PST by meg88

St. Petersburg Police Slash Tents Of Homeless Skip directly to the full story. By STEPHEN THOMPSONand ROD CHALLENGER The Tampa Tribune

Published: Jan 20, 2007

ST. PETERSBURG - A homeless man was lying down in his tent across the street from a soup kitchen Friday when two police officers yanked open the tent's flap and shouted, "Get up. Get out of there."

Then, the man said, the officers dragged him outside and slashed the tent's dome with knives.

"In the end the cop asked me, 'Are you all right?'" said the man, who gave only a first name of Mo. "I said, 'Is this a joke? Are you kidding me?'"

A cat-and-mouse game between the city and its burgeoning homeless population took on a confrontational tone Friday as about two dozen officers swooped down on 15th Street North and either confiscated or destroyed a dozen tents in which homeless people had been living.

A week ago, a tent city up the street that was home to about 150 people was dismantled peaceably. Some of the 150 received rent vouchers; other homeless people accepted mats at a homeless shelter; still others took gasoline money or bus fare to return to out-of-state relatives or friends.

But some were not interested in those options, or they didn't qualify for them. So, on Jan. 13, when they were ordered to leave the tent city on Fourth Avenue North, roughly two dozen people pulled up stakes and moved beneath nearby Interstate 375.

One favored location beneath the highway is across from the St. Vincent de Paul Society soup kitchen on 15th Street. That's where Mo was Friday. Another spot for the displaced tent dwellers was beside busy Martin Luther King Jr. Street.

Trouble was, both sites posed public safety hazards, St. Petersburg Police Chief Chuck Harmon said. A half-dozen motorists complained they almost struck homeless people or their tents on Martin Luther King Jr. Street.

Some people also smoked inside the tents, or lit small fires on which to cook, Harmon said. The makeshift shelters were pitched so close together that if one had ignited, the others might have, too, the chief said.

On Thursday evening, the tent dwellers were told the tents violated safety codes and had to come down. But some of the tents, or different ones, were back up Friday.

"There were some folks who decided they were going to test us today," Harmon said. "We decided to go out and just take them down."

Half of the dozen remaining tents were confiscated; the others were slashed to render them unusable, Harmon said.

"The intent was not to arrest anyone," Harmon said. "The problems weren't the people. It was the tents. To me it didn't make a difference if they were the Boy Scouts of America."

Harmon said officers had legal authority to confiscate or destroy the tents because they are allowed to remove a hazard that lies on a right of way, which is city property.

The Rev. Bruce Wright, an advocate for the homeless who has served as a liaison between the city and the tent dwellers, said a deal was brokered in which the dwellers on Martin Luther King Jr. Street could move to 15th Street. Harmon said no such deal existed.

Anthony Diglia thought otherwise. He had just carried his possessions from Martin Luther King Jr. Street and set up his tent beside 15th Street when it was slashed.

"I have no tent no more," he said. Reporter Stephen Thompson can be reached at (727) 823-3303 or spthompson@tampatrib.com. Reporter Rod Challenger can be reached at (727) 536-8443.


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'A week ago, a tent city up the street that was home to about 150 people was dismantled peaceably. Some of the 150 received rent vouchers; other homeless people accepted mats at a homeless shelter; still others took gasoline money or bus fare to return to out-of-state relatives or friends.'

Where are all of these freebies for working citizens?

1 posted on 01/20/2007 10:12:27 AM PST by meg88
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To: meg88

We should eat the homeless.

Unfortunately, the flesh is too tough and salty.


2 posted on 01/20/2007 10:18:03 AM PST by agooga (Let the Wookie win!!!)
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To: meg88
Where are all of these freebies for working citizens?
Firstly, I hate camping or anything resembling camping (in particular, sleeping under a tent on hard or lumpy ground) so I don't feel I could ever opt for these kind of freebies ...
3 posted on 01/20/2007 10:25:20 AM PST by _Jim (Highly recommended book on the Kennedy assassination - Posner: "Case Closed")
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To: meg88

The police are the armed extension of the government. What the government tells them to do, they do. Keeping innocent people safe from criminals is not part of their job. Enforcing the administration's policies is.


4 posted on 01/20/2007 10:26:12 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = brain cell deficiency)
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To: meg88

Take a look here about Dignity Village in Portland, Oregon --


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/02/27/portland.homeless.ap/index.html

http://www.outofthedoorways.org/

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/318134.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Tafari

Apparently the "homeless" are politically active, too...

Regards,
Star Traveler


5 posted on 01/20/2007 10:31:48 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: meg88

Gosh, remember those 8 years under Clinton where the homeless ceased to exist?


6 posted on 01/20/2007 10:38:24 AM PST by SIDENET (Everybody was kung-fu fighting)
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To: meg88

Destroying private property without paying retribution seems to be a growing police practice these days.


7 posted on 01/20/2007 10:42:31 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: meg88

Sounds more like St. Petersburg Russia than St. Petersburg Florida!


8 posted on 01/20/2007 10:43:05 AM PST by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra [https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate])
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

The government no longer recognizes private property.


9 posted on 01/20/2007 10:45:47 AM PST by Abcdefg
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To: meg88

A bus ticket to Key West, and have a barrier on the freeway preventing them back onto the mainland. House the whole homeless population out there...and wait for a huricane.


10 posted on 01/20/2007 10:45:58 AM PST by Mashood
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To: meg88
Half of the dozen remaining tents were confiscated; the others were slashed to render them unusable, Harmon said.

Whatever you do to the least of these, you do unto me.
11 posted on 01/20/2007 10:48:11 AM PST by HaveHadEnough
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To: Lady Jag

Sounds more like St. Petersburg Russia than St. Petersburg Florida!>>>>

I read nearly all this before it dawned on me that it was Floridiyay, not Rooskie.


12 posted on 01/20/2007 10:49:57 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: meg88
'Half of the dozen remaining tents were confiscated; the others were slashed to render them unusable, Harmon said."

The cops should all be arrested for destruction of property.

"Harmon said officers had legal authority to confiscate or destroy the tents because they are allowed to remove a hazard that lies on a right of way, which is city property."

They had no legal authority to do so. They had authority to arrest the vagrants maybe, not destroy and steal their property.

13 posted on 01/20/2007 10:50:24 AM PST by spunkets
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To: agooga
We should eat the homeless.

Unfortunately, the flesh is too tough and salty.


I bet if you marinated the meat really well and then smoked it nice and slow it would come out nice. We could also grind the meat and eat it that way or make sausage.
14 posted on 01/20/2007 10:53:49 AM PST by Jaysun (I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

UNLESS illegals are involved.
Then they are solicitous beyond belief.


15 posted on 01/20/2007 10:54:30 AM PST by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: meg88

Be quicker to offer them all jobs. You'll never see them again. ;)


16 posted on 01/20/2007 10:55:41 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Ole Okie
When I saw the title, I was compelled to click and find out which St. Petersburg.

As a conservative, I wish the dems hadn't made me so cynical and callous, but that's why I believed it could be both St Petersburgs.

Liberal trash has destroyed American values and made Conservatives furious at the lowering of standards. They should move to the other St. Petersburg and get a taste of their own idiocy.
17 posted on 01/20/2007 10:56:08 AM PST by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra [https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate])
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To: meg88

Criminy, could we get something like this started here?


18 posted on 01/20/2007 10:56:19 AM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
"Be quicker to offer them all jobs. "

You're a wise man Jeeves.

19 posted on 01/20/2007 10:57:21 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Destroying private property without paying retribution seems to be a growing police practice these days.

Just what do you expect them to do? Dirty old tents bring nothing at the auctions. Now, drug dealers' expensive cars are another matter...

20 posted on 01/20/2007 11:01:03 AM PST by Fresh Wind (All we are sa-a-a-ying, is give Beast a chance.)
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To: meg88
I guess they could have put the tents in deep freeze rather than slashing them.

BERKELEY Carts stay cool as city takes heat on storage policy When the homeless lose or abandon stuff, it gets frozen

21 posted on 01/20/2007 11:04:39 AM PST by csvset
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To: Mashood

They gays would have no part of that.


22 posted on 01/20/2007 11:05:56 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Fresh Wind

The worth of the item isn't the issue. It's the destruction of property without due process of law that causes me concern.


23 posted on 01/20/2007 11:10:03 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: bigfootbob

Maybe they would be accepted by the community if we required the homeless to wear gerbil costumes.


24 posted on 01/20/2007 11:10:35 AM PST by Mashood
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To: Star Traveler
Thanks for the links ST.

We've got our own agitators, er, advocates here in Washington: http://anitraweb.org/homelessness/faqs/tentcities.html

Looks like St Petersburg is dealing with their "rodent" infestation problem in ways that I wish Seattle would do...
25 posted on 01/20/2007 11:19:23 AM PST by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: Star Traveler

Oh my Lord those links are over the top. The out of the doorways one says :

Dignity is a formerly mobile tent city in Portland, Oregon, well on its way to becoming a green, sustainable, urban village.

and also that the tent city of vagabonds has begun hosting weekly craft lessons in conjunction with the local high schools ?

Flea publik eudkashion !!!!!


26 posted on 01/20/2007 11:28:03 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Star Traveler
Squatting can actually lead to the total legal possession of the housing, through what's called "adverse possession."

Sometimes, squatters get lucky and find a squat which the landlord seems to have really abandoned. Police and neighbors have been dealt with successfully and after many months the landlord still hasn't complained or been seen. In that case, squatters might start laying plans for gaining adverse possession.

http://www.sftu.org/squat.html

27 posted on 01/20/2007 11:29:19 AM PST by x_plus_one (Allah has no son.)
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To: meg88
A week ago, a tent city up the street that was home to about 150 people was dismantled peaceably. Some of the 150 received rent vouchers; other homeless people accepted mats at a homeless shelter; still others took gasoline money or bus fare to return to out-of-state relatives or friends.

I'm a little surprised at the responses posted These people are breaking the law

28 posted on 01/20/2007 11:30:23 AM PST by JZoback (Grandma Pelosi will give milk and cookies to Osama and he will be a good boy !!!)
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To: agooga

True. But "Feed the Homeless to the Hungry" has long been my solution to both problems.


29 posted on 01/20/2007 11:30:26 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: meg88
Some people also smoked inside the tents,

Oh well. Now we know the reason for the abrubt resolution ;-)
30 posted on 01/20/2007 11:31:37 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

I suppose you'd oppose my holiday "Burn a Bums Box" campaign too then eh ?


31 posted on 01/20/2007 11:33:24 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: spunkets

Were the vagrants loitering on public or private property?


32 posted on 01/20/2007 11:33:34 AM PST by meg88
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To: Lady Jag
Sounds more like St. Petersburg Russia than St. Petersburg Florida!

The uproar about this tent city has been going on for quite a while. They were given a chance to move to other quarters.

33 posted on 01/20/2007 11:35:59 AM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: meg88
>>>"The intent was not to arrest anyone," Harmon said. "The problems weren't the people. It was the tents.<<<<

Typical "Community Policing" orthodox BS! Its never the perp.;

The bartender shouldn't have served the drunk driver that last drink...

Its not the shooter, its the easy availability of guns that is the problem...

Detroit makes it too easy to steal cars...

Its the tents...not the lazy no-goods that inhabit them.

34 posted on 01/20/2007 11:37:22 AM PST by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: festus

Not a problem so long as you coordinate it with the annual "Return them to their owners" shopping cart roundup.


35 posted on 01/20/2007 11:38:15 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Lady Jag
Homelessness in America is a choice. All these folks living in that tent city can merely go to the Salvation Army and get three nights food and lodging for free. After that, they are urged to enter a program and WORK for their keep. They all mostly refuse. Instead they hang out in traffic and panhandle for money and easily gain about one hundred dollars a day, tax free. I submit they are lazy and non-productive and cause a nuisance for those of us who are not.

It's like the same old story....keep feeding the ducks and they will never leave. This time they were told to leave after refusing to do so. I see very little wrong with that.

36 posted on 01/20/2007 11:39:15 AM PST by tenthirteen
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To: festus

Boy any "homeless post" sure brings out the bleeding hearts posters...what a bunch of KOS Kids needing to grow up.


37 posted on 01/20/2007 11:39:25 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Jaysun

I would have thought it was already pretty well marinated and seasoned. Although I have heard if it's not drinking wine, then you shouldn't use it in cooking.


38 posted on 01/20/2007 11:39:26 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: iopscusa

39 posted on 01/20/2007 11:43:50 AM PST by meg88
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To: meg88
"Were the vagrants loitering on public or private property?"

It says city.

40 posted on 01/20/2007 11:49:43 AM PST by spunkets
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To: meg88
A cat-and-mouse game between the city and its burgeoning homeless population took on a confrontational tone Friday as about two dozen officers swooped down on 15th Street North and either confiscated or destroyed a dozen tents in which homeless people had been living.

If it is not legal to camp, the police can do whatever they need to to chase the people out. Especially when they are knowingly violating the law.

41 posted on 01/20/2007 11:50:56 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: meg88

"the man, who gave only a first name of Mo(pbuh),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


42 posted on 01/20/2007 11:53:00 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Star Traveler

I hope they are taxed like the rest of us, especially for their housing/land.


43 posted on 01/20/2007 11:56:09 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: meg88

"Another spot for the displaced tent dwellers was beside busy Martin Luther King Jr. Street."

Marked on every tourist map from Albany to Zanesville...


44 posted on 01/20/2007 11:58:16 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Jaysun
We could also grind the meat and eat it that way or make sausage.

Why not? I'm pretty sure sausage is currently made from homeless pigs.

45 posted on 01/20/2007 12:00:26 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: GOP Poet
" If it is not legal to camp, the police can do whatever they need to to chase the people out. "

They can not confiscate, or destroy private property w/o specific statutory authority. They did not have that, so what they did is a crime. It was theft and destruction of property.

46 posted on 01/20/2007 12:01:55 PM PST by spunkets
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To: GOP Poet

You said -- "I hope they are taxed like the rest of us, especially for their housing/land."

You know..., property taxes in Oregon are on the high side. But, there is no sales tax. I'd rather keep the sales tax out of Oregon, myself. And the voters have voted against it over the years.

But, even with property taxes being what they are in Oregon, I mean -- how much is property tax going to be on a place that has no "real value"? I mean, tax a shelter that is worth $50 and will cost $100 to tear down and carry away (if need be). Well, yes then, maybe tax them. Okay, let's see one nickel a year in property taxes, maybe a dime -- I don't know (at the going rate).

All right -- let's see if we can find one or two bottles on the street to pay my property taxes per year. That should do it.

Oh..., of course, you do know that Oregon was the beginning of the "Bottle Bill" -- where you have to charge deposit on pop bottles (anything with carbonation). They figured, when they began that law that the "bums" would be the ones who "cleaned up" the different areas of the state by picking up the bottles for deposit (and they do!).

Well, so much for property taxes...

Regards,
Star Traveler


47 posted on 01/20/2007 12:03:54 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: meg88

This whole homeless tent city is the brainchild of a Rev. Bruce Wright.

He got people to donate the tents, in an attempt to set up a tent city and confront the city on the situation of the homeless.

The homeless in downtown St. Pete has been a huge problem because they flock to the city in the winter and disrupt downtown businesses. The are sanitation issues and property rights issues as they congregate downtown.

So this Rev. decided he was going to make a name for himself by "standing up" for the homeless. He's basically the instigator behind all the trouble. They even have picket lines of homeless demanding more "rights" in downtown St. Pete at the main entertainment complexes.

Here's the blog about the organization behind all the hub bub and organization of the homeless.

http://stpeteforpeace.org/tentcity.html

From the Rev.'s Bio: the groups he is affiliated with

He is a member in the following organizations: NAADAC, Poor Peoples Economic Human Rights Campaign, Critical Resistance, Every Church a Peace Church, League of Revolutionaries for a New America, St. Pete. For Peace, Food Not Bombs, Pinellas County Coalition for the Homeless, Homeless Legal Defense Fund, Pinellas County Juvenile Justice Council, St. Pete. Task Force on Homelessness, and the St. Petersburg Ministerial Association

http://www.pcpf.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=220&Itemid=46


48 posted on 01/20/2007 12:31:18 PM PST by dawn53
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To: tenthirteen
Are you too young to remember where many of these poor souls came from?

Nixon increased the street population by many thousands when he closed all the public mental institutions.

Most if not all homeless today are mentally disturbed and many fear actually fear the indoors. When I talk to them, some of them even make sense (for the moment).

I have no idea how to deal with the situation, but it would benefit the city to have them out of sight, so, til there's a solution, put them in a covert place to tent where they still get to a place to access their usual resources.
49 posted on 01/20/2007 12:40:45 PM PST by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra [https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate])
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To: Retired Chemist

The article mentions efforts to get them to move. I could have predicted they wouldn't work.

Given that these people are generally mentally ill, they can't be dealt with in normal ways.


50 posted on 01/20/2007 12:58:42 PM PST by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra [https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate])
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