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The Origin of Man (Combating Darwinism)
Darwinism Refuted ^ | Harun Yahya

Posted on 01/18/2007 1:00:43 PM PST by scottdeus12

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To: Gumlegs; SubGeniusX; scottdeus12
I do notice, however, that my question went unanswered.

No surprise - he probably didn't even realize what he was posting.

It's like the vast number of creationists here who jumped on the ID bandwagon, then jumped off it again once they learned what ID actaully was, that ID accepted Darwinian evolution as a "given."

61 posted on 01/18/2007 1:56:11 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: scottdeus12
Good one.

That wasn't a joke, and it wasn't a "gotcha" comment. I was being serious. Don't you find it curious that, in the fight against science and modernity, your closest allies -- indeed virtually your only allies -- are Islamic extremists? What does that tell you? What should it tell you?

62 posted on 01/18/2007 1:57:04 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: highball

Still here.


63 posted on 01/18/2007 1:57:30 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: From many - one.

Islam in the schools placemarker


64 posted on 01/18/2007 1:59:45 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: scottdeus12
I'm merely raising the Darwinism debate...it's a contentious issue, wouldn't you agree?

Not really. Evolution and the Bible aren't even at odds. Earth is created, animals show up, Adam and Eve show up, they live in the "Garden of Eden," then they become self aware and aware of their own mortality. The apple and the tree of knowlege symbolize the gradual increasing of cognitive abilities as apes became humans and the dangers and potential pain that goes along with being an animal with higher cognitive potential.

The creation story is actually stunningly accurate when taken as a parable.
65 posted on 01/18/2007 2:00:15 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Alter Kaker

Now you're just being ridiculous.

There are plenty of pople out there who don't beleive in the thory we evolved from Apes, kaker.

Who you infer my *only* allies are Islamic Extremists is absurd.


66 posted on 01/18/2007 2:00:31 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: scottdeus12; Alter Kaker
AK makes a good point, scott. Why don't you address it? Here's some more of the bio of your favorite author, as posted at the website to which you linked:
The symbolic meaning of the seal of the Prophet Muhammed (May God bless him and grant him peace) on the covers of all of the books by the writer is related to the content of the books. This seal is an indication that the Qur'an is the last book and the last word of God, and our Prophet Muhammad (May God bless him and grant him peace) is the last of His messengers. By taking this attribute of the Qur'an and the Prophet, the writer seeks, in all of his works, to refute all the basic claims of the systems of disbelief and utter the "last word" which will put a definite end to the assertions of infidelity. The stamp of the Prophet Muhammed (May God bless him and grant him peace) who has the greatest honour and wisdom, is used as a prayer for the intention of saying this last word.
Do you accept this; agree with it? Are you trying to get us to accept it or agree with it?
67 posted on 01/18/2007 2:00:46 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: mysterio; scottdeus12
The creation story is actually stunningly accurate when taken as a parable.

Don't be ridiculous. There are no parables in the Bible.

68 posted on 01/18/2007 2:01:10 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Are you willing to go word-for-word through Genesis with me too, then?

I am not interested in what people say the text means. I am only interested in what the text actually says. Some commentators views on what it means are his opinions. What the text SAYS is the inspired text, right?

So are you willing to go through the text with me, word by word, in the King James version?


69 posted on 01/18/2007 2:02:08 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: scottdeus12
There are plenty of pople out there who don't beleive in the thory we evolved from Apes, kaker.

No, there aren't many. Your allies are a relatively small group of fanatical Christians and a somewhat larger group of fanatical Muslims.

You are allied against most Christians, virtually all Jews, Budhists and Hindus and the entire scientific community.

70 posted on 01/18/2007 2:04:51 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: scottdeus12; Alter Kaker
You're the one doing the quoting. Here's some more about the author you whose work you find so compelling:
In all the books by the author, faith-related issues are explained in the light of the Qur'anic verses and the Hadith and people are invited to learn God's words and to live by them. All the subjects that concern God's verses are explained in such a way as to leave no room for doubt or question marks in the reader's mind. The sincere, plain and fluent style employed ensures that everyone of every age and from every social group can easily understand the books. This effective and lucid narrative makes it possible to read them in a single sitting. Even those who rigorously reject spirituality are influenced by the facts recounted in these books and cannot refute the truthfulness of their contents.

All the books of the author can be read individually or discussed in a group at a time of conversation. Those readers who are willing to profit from the books will find discussion very useful in the sense that they will be able to relate their own reflections and experiences to one another.

In addition, it will be a great service to the religion to contribute to the presentation and reading of these books, which are written solely for the good pleasure of God. All the books of the author are extremely convincing. For this reason, for those who want to communicate the religion to other people, one of the most effective methods is to encourage them to read these books.

You will not find, as in some other books, the personal views of the author, explanations based on dubious sources, styles that are unobservant of the respect and reverence due to sacred subjects, nor hopeless, doubt-creating, and pessimistic accounts that create deviations in the heart.

Did you take that in? (He's referring to Allah, by the way). Have you been taken in? Are you trying to find converts at FR?
71 posted on 01/18/2007 2:05:16 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs

I agree he does make a good point.

For one, the bio page is a link off the page I posted....and no, I didn't read it.

Secondly, he's not my favorie author.

And third, no, I don't agree with the tachings of Mohammed.

Scott


72 posted on 01/18/2007 2:06:49 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: scottdeus12

And we know that the Biblical literalists in Kansas had no problem jumping into bed with these guys.

Sometimes I question how many so-called "Creationists" on this site are truly Christian as opposed to ringers with an agenda.

The Christian Creationists I know personally seem to be more honest and more amiable than many of the poster here.

Note for lurkers: There are also many Creationists here that I believe are truly sincere.


73 posted on 01/18/2007 2:09:00 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: Alter Kaker; scottdeus12
And, just in case there had been any doubt as to the author's intentions, the following nugget appears in his bio page (along with several photos, btw. He's quite the Quranic hunk):
Each of the author's books on science-related topics stresses the might, sublimity, and majesty of God in minute detail based on well-structured research and evidence, along with extensive contemplation. These books display, for non-Muslims, the signs of the existence of God, and the excellence of His creation in a very explicit and precise way. On the other hand, they add to the faith and submission of believers, and can serve as perfect materials for communicating Islam to other people (where religion is not practiced in its full sense). A sub-group within this series are the "Books Demolishing the Lie of Evolution". The main purpose of these books is to demolish the materialistic and atheistic philosophy which has been put forward as an alternative and rival to religion and has been imposed on the whole world since the 19th century. The great impact the books make on readers signifies that this purpose is fulfilled to a great extent. These books, just as it is stated in the Qur'an in the words "We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain" (Surat al-Anbiya, 18), demolish the brain, i.e., the thought system and ideology of the faithless system; and help complete (the revelation of) God's light (Surat as-Saff, 8). For these reasons, these books play a significant role in the intellectual war against non-belief.
[Bolding in original]

How 'bout it scott? You on board with this?

74 posted on 01/18/2007 2:09:31 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Radical Islamic Creationism PING! :-)


75 posted on 01/18/2007 2:11:15 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: scottdeus12
I agree he does make a good point.

For one, the bio page is a link off the page I posted....and no, I didn't read it.

Secondly, he's not my favorie author.

And third, no, I don't agree with the tachings of Mohammed.

Scott

So, maybe it's just his manly good looks?


76 posted on 01/18/2007 2:11:50 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Alter Kaker
No, there aren't many. Your allies are a relatively small group of fanatical Christians and a somewhat larger group of fanatical Muslims.

I do not know where you get your info, but the majority of Americans do not believe in evolution. There are many polls out there that clearly show this. That is why the moron Dawkins is always bashing America.
77 posted on 01/18/2007 2:14:11 PM PST by microgood
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To: scottdeus12

George Darwin, uncle of Charles


78 posted on 01/18/2007 2:15:42 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: scottdeus12
What difference does it make?

Does what make?

Whatever it is.

79 posted on 01/18/2007 2:15:48 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Paloma_55

Chimp, 37, escapes cage, eats most of the cinnamon-raisin bread, and cleans toilet.


80 posted on 01/18/2007 2:18:27 PM PST by RightWhale
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