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Bush says death of Saddam like revenge killing
Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 1/17/07 | Graeme Baker and Malcolm Moore

Posted on 01/16/2007 7:36:07 PM PST by kiriath_jearim

George W Bush yesterday said that the execution of Saddam Hussein bore the hallmarks of a sectarian "revenge killing", in his most critical assessment of the hanging of the former dictator.

The US President criticised the circumstances surrounding Saddam's death and the recent execution of two top aides, including Saddam's half brother, Barzan al-Tikriti, for their roles in the massacre of 148 Shia men in Dujail in 1982.

"I was disappointed and felt like they fumbled the – particularly the Saddam Hussein execution," Mr Bush said in an interview by public broadcast television's Jim Lehrer.

"The message is confusing. It basically says to people, 'Look, you conducted a trial and gave Saddam justice that he didn't give to others. But then, when it came to execute him, it looked like it was kind of a revenge killing."'

Bush at first welcomed the hanging of Saddam on December 30 for crimes against humanity as "an important milestone on Iraq's course to becoming a democracy", and declared "good riddance". He later said, however, that the execution should have been carried out "in a more dignified way".

An early official video appeared to show that Saddam's execution had been conducted with dignity. However, a leaked video taken by mobile phone later showed the deposed Iraqi leader, a Sunni, being taunted by Shia Muslims as he stood on the gallows with a noose around his neck. The trapdoor was opened before he had finished his prayers.

A government video of this Monday's execution of Barzan, Saddam's former intelligence chief, showed that the hangman's noose decapitated him, leading to claims by leaders of the Sunni minority in Iraq of deliberate mutilation.

Mr Bush said yesterday the hangings showed the Shia-dominated government of prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, charged by many with compounding the sectarian violence in Baghdad, "has still got some maturation to do".

He also admitted that he was "frustrated by progress" in Iraq. "A year ago, I felt pretty good about the situation. I felt like we were achieving our objective, which is a country that can govern, sustain, and defend itself. No question, 2006 was a lousy year for Iraq."

The comments came as it was revealed that Barzan had written to the United Nations pleading for his life before he was hung.

Barzan told Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, that he had "nothing to do" with the killings in Dujail for which he had been condemned to death.

"I request your interference to rescue my threatened life," he wrote, in a five page handwritten note circulated yesterday by one of his lawyers, Giovanni Di Stefano. He said most of the evidence against him bore "the signatures of others and were dated after I resigned from the government at the beginning of 1983."

Mr Di Stefano, who returned from Iraq on Sunday, said he had sent a letter to the International Criminal Court asking for a full investigation of the executions, which he claims were carried out illegally.

He said the hanging of Barzan and Awwad al-Bandar, the head of Saddam's judiciary, had not been authorised by Jalal Talabani, the Iraqi president, as required by Iraqi law.

"He could not sign them because he was in Syria. I think they were worried that he would commute the sentences if they waited for him to return. He has made his position clear that he was against the hangings," said Mr Di Stefano, who lodged a request for the sentence to be commuted on Boxing day.

He added that the two men had been rushed to execution in order to protect the names of several international companies who had sold chemicals to Iraq. He said he had evidence from the FBI centre in Qatar that companies in the UK, the US, Holland, France, Germany and Italy had sold chemicals which were later used in the Anfal campaign in which as many as 100,000 Kurds were killed. He said the naming of the companies would have been part of the defence strategy if Saddam and Barzan had lived to testify in the trial.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: barzan; chemicals; iraq; oil4food
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1 posted on 01/16/2007 7:36:10 PM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

WTF? And that is going to help the situation how? OMG


2 posted on 01/16/2007 7:37:35 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Pelosi, the call was for Comity, not Comedy. But thanks for the laughs. StarKisses, NVA.)
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To: NonValueAdded

I'm with you! WTF!


3 posted on 01/16/2007 7:38:36 PM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: NonValueAdded; kiriath_jearim

Why did he feel he needed to comment about it in the first place, if reports are accurate??


4 posted on 01/16/2007 7:38:47 PM PST by Perdogg (Happy 2007)
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To: kiriath_jearim

WHAT!


5 posted on 01/16/2007 7:39:37 PM PST by rintense (Just say no to McCain in 2008!)
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To: Perdogg

because its the truth.

and it puts pressure on the Maliki government - start conducting yourself like a GOVERNMENT.


6 posted on 01/16/2007 7:39:47 PM PST by oceanview
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To: kiriath_jearim

I don't care. Sometimes revenge is appropriate.


7 posted on 01/16/2007 7:40:48 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Maybe he'd prefer if the hangmen held their pinkeys up as they pulled the lever.


8 posted on 01/16/2007 7:41:55 PM PST by DManA
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To: kiriath_jearim

For Saddam's murdering and torturing countless thousands of ordinary Iraqis one can hardly blame them from extracting revenge as well as justice.


9 posted on 01/16/2007 7:42:53 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: oceanview

I agree. For the President to make no comment at all would have been huge mistake. To comment and say he thought it went hunky-dory would also be a huge mistake. He spoke the truth, which is exactly what I have come to expect and RESPECT about the man.


10 posted on 01/16/2007 7:43:11 PM PST by Chena
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To: NonValueAdded

Iraq does need to grow up. Those executions were not conducted in a very dignified manner.

The important thing is that they were done, and nobody seemed to suffer any unnecessary pain.

But they get a zero for style points. And those do count.


11 posted on 01/16/2007 7:44:05 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Chena

the administration knew the score 15 minutes after the execution - that's why they hurried to make sure the body was properly handled, flying it to Tikrit.

in any case, this is behind us now. and I think this comment from the president sends the message to Maliki - YOU ARE A GOVERNMENT NOW, ACT LIKE ONE. and this is going to be the key concept iraq is going to have to demonstrate they can accomplish (or not) during this "surge", so we might as well set the tone early.


12 posted on 01/16/2007 7:46:46 PM PST by oceanview
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To: kiriath_jearim
Revenge killing? So when he was governor of Texas, all those execution orders he gave were not revenge killings .... in what way exactly is the difference?????
13 posted on 01/16/2007 7:51:02 PM PST by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight 93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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To: oceanview

I agree. It's time for Iraq, with Maliki at the helm, to either do or die. This is their last chance. If they fail, it's their failure not ours anymore.


14 posted on 01/16/2007 7:51:45 PM PST by Chena
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To: kiriath_jearim
To be honest, I thought Saddam's execution would have been much worse given what he inflicted on those people for decades.

I think he got off easy.

For Iraqis these days, that was dignified.

15 posted on 01/16/2007 7:51:45 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: kiriath_jearim
I think Bush should have refrained from making any statement concerning Saddam’s execution.

This does not help his cause.

I personally thought Saddam’s execution would have been much more of a circus. I thought it was about as dignified as it could be if it was to be conducted by Iraqis.

16 posted on 01/16/2007 7:53:06 PM PST by Pontiac (All are worthy of freedom, none are incapable.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

The whole idea of a western-style trial of Saddam was ill-considered, and badly executed. The idea of a western-style execution of sentence was, well, badly executed.

We should have shot the SOB in his spider hole and had done with it.

What we got instead was a farcial show trial, and an amateurish hanging.

The only thing that amazes me about any of this is that President Bush is surprised by any of it. And the fact that he apparently is surprised by it is more than a little disturbing.

He needs to start paying more attention.


17 posted on 01/16/2007 8:01:03 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: Dog Gone
But they get a zero for style points. And those do count.

just like hey get a zero for what they did today. They are animals - muslims suck a##
18 posted on 01/16/2007 8:01:30 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: Pontiac
I think Bush should have refrained from making any statement concerning Saddam’s execution.

I agree. What has possessed him to make a statement like that right now? He should have kept his mouth shut. This only makes him look weak and wishy washy.

I don't get it. Republicans never speak up when DIMs are slandering them in public. When they do make public statements, it's baloney like this. This party has a death wish.

I believe, and this is one of my major critcisms of Bush's tenure as President, that he has never understood that the President is the leader of his party as well as the country.

19 posted on 01/16/2007 8:02:09 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: NonValueAdded

WTF??? GWB.

This is becoming more and more bizarre and unbelievable as time rolls on.

Saddam was a sadistic torturer. Nailing him to a cross or hanging drawling and quartering him were too good for him.

Now Bush is having second thoughts?

I am beginning to wonder about him.


20 posted on 01/16/2007 8:03:52 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Sometimes justice IS revenge. Admittedly, the jeering was undignified and did not look as if the system of justice was impartial...but that's in an American's eyes.


21 posted on 01/16/2007 8:08:10 PM PST by madison10
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To: kiriath_jearim

I guess we shouldn't have killed him then, huh? He shouldn't have been punished for his crimes? Would lethal injection have been a better method? I guess you could even say there was no need to go to war: no WMD, Saddam wasn't really a brutal dictator who got what he deserved, the Iraqi people loved living under his rule.

Some people really disgust me. Right now, I cannot tell the difference between Bush, some people on FR and the Dummies...everyone seems to want to practice suttee and throw themselves on Saddam's casket while it burns in the fires of hell. I am more than happy to feed the flames.

Saddam got much less than he deserved. His death was dignified compared to the deaths his victims ever experienced. To deny that fact is utter hypocrisy and a slap in the face to all of the innocent civilians who were murdered by him. A real man would acknowledge it instead of crying over it, trying to appease the leftist PC crowd. It's obvious what trying to give dignified deaths to our enemies has done in Iraq. After all, that has been the tactic for the past few years, preventing our soliders from fully engaging and taking out the Islamofacists. Meanwhile, Americans are burned and hung (something in common with Saddam, gasp!) from a bridge, which is such a dignified way to die. I guess I shouldn't be at all fazed by the president's pussyfooting.


22 posted on 01/16/2007 8:09:45 PM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: kiriath_jearim
He added that the two men had been rushed to execution in order to protect the names of several international companies who had sold chemicals to Iraq. He said he had evidence from the FBI centre in Qatar that companies in the UK, the US, Holland, France, Germany and Italy had sold chemicals which were later used in the Anfal campaign in which as many as 100,000 Kurds were killed. He said the naming of the companies would have been part of the defence strategy if Saddam and Barzan had lived to testify in the trial.

Mark.

23 posted on 01/16/2007 8:13:17 PM PST by Alia
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To: kiriath_jearim

WAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA...Saddam was executed...WAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA

What else matters?


24 posted on 01/16/2007 8:15:20 PM PST by TheDon (Are you a cut and run conservative?)
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To: NonValueAdded
I thought he said he didn't even watch the execution. WTF3
25 posted on 01/16/2007 8:19:40 PM PST by jdm
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To: Dog Gone
No argument with what you say but it makes little sense for GWB to point that out via the media. Not very multi-culti of him, either. Jeez, if a cartoon can set those mutts off, what will open Presidential criticism do?
26 posted on 01/16/2007 8:20:17 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Pelosi, the call was for Comity, not Comedy. But thanks for the laughs. StarKisses, NVA.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Ummm, no.

He went to trial and was found guilty, as he ought to have been. Then he was executed according to their own laws.

This was justice, not revenge.


27 posted on 01/16/2007 8:24:27 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Alia

That's the part that caught my eye also. How does that square with the "no weapons of mass destruction" caterwauling that we keep hearing?

I agree Saddam got less than he deserved. He rightfully should have been turned over to some of those he tortured and they could have taken him down to the woodworking shop and amused themselves for a while. Still, if the government was going to kill him, they should have done a dignified job. Bush is right.


28 posted on 01/16/2007 8:25:22 PM PST by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: Bosco

"For Iraqis these days, that was dignified."

I'm curious - how many Iraqis do you know personally?

Or is your statement based on what you've learned from the MSM?


29 posted on 01/16/2007 8:26:44 PM PST by PissAndVinegar (Not for the sarcasm impaired...)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Yeah, revenge for trying to kill my daddy!

HA HA


30 posted on 01/16/2007 8:30:33 PM PST by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: ZULU
I'm no bushbot but support about 90% of his policies.

You're beginning to wonder cause I fear he's gone into legacy preservation mode. He's got 2 yrs to solidify his legacy and he doesn't want the left making his legacy a "failed war".

If Iraq doesn't get cleaned up soon, I'm fearing the useful idiots of this country will put a Dem in office.

I guarantee over the next 2 yrs we'll (unfortunately) be seeing a different Bush than the past 6
31 posted on 01/16/2007 8:32:48 PM PST by PissAndVinegar (Not for the sarcasm impaired...)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Bush has lost his marbles, long after his Conservative principles...


32 posted on 01/16/2007 8:36:39 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

If one of us had posted such a comment, we would have been accused of Bush bashing.


33 posted on 01/16/2007 8:39:39 PM PST by PAR35
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To: kiriath_jearim
Bush is losing it. He is taking a long walk on a short trial to the dark side. Beyond fighting the bad guys, he has lost my support. If he were running for another term, I simply could not in good conscience vote for him.
34 posted on 01/16/2007 8:39:41 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Dimocrats stand for everything I hate, despise and wish to see destroyed, including dimocrats!)
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To: Bosco
I think he got off easy.

For Iraqis these days, that was dignified.

Headfirst through the shredder and into a pond of pig$hit would have been more appropriate.

35 posted on 01/16/2007 8:46:43 PM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised)
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To: SkyDancer

"So when he was governor of Texas..."

So, you're saying that because he let the Texas courts administer justice (their job) without his meddling in it (not his job) that he is somehow guilty of revenge killing? That's quite a stretch, don't you think? Or do you favor the sort of activism that thwarts the will of the people?


36 posted on 01/16/2007 8:58:07 PM PST by beelzepug (the Nikonoclast)
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To: madison10

Was that Sadr that slipped the noose around Saddam's neck?


37 posted on 01/16/2007 9:09:22 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Chena

How about getting on with the WOT and Iran. I'll hold the RESPECT until we win this damned war.


38 posted on 01/16/2007 9:09:31 PM PST by onedoug
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To: PissAndVinegar

It's based on their current treatment of each other. Usually it's a group kidnapping, shot and bodies dumped somewhere.


39 posted on 01/16/2007 9:45:22 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Bush probably condemned this not because he cares about how Saddam died (nor should he), but because from the acccounts I've read about the video it ccomplished two things that are against our interests.

1) Saddam looked like the only mature guy in the room; not good for him to go out on a high note.

2) It casts doubts on the credibility of the Iraqi government trying him in the first place. If they can not control the impartiality of the execution, then did they control the impartiality of the trial? By extention this reflects on us. We already have credibility issues in the Middle East, this is not helping

Anyway, even the best of us succumb to mockery and derision of those who are about to be executed.

40 posted on 01/16/2007 9:56:10 PM PST by amchugh
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To: onedoug

The WOT is being fought on many fronts right now thanks to our President, George W. Bush and our military men and women. For that alone, he deserves our gratitude and respect, IMHO.

If you're waiting to dole out respect for someone until "we win this damned war", you'll have to do it from your grave. No offense intended, but I am not so ignorant as to believe that this WOT, the Islamic terrorists, Iranian threats, N. Korea, China, and even Russian threats can be as quickly solved as one would see in a "made for t.v." movie.


41 posted on 01/16/2007 10:17:20 PM PST by Chena
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I add to the WTF????? chorus.

At the risk of proving myself a fool: Without reading/researching further than the headlines, I:

A: Primarily believe that this is a misquote of President Bush, or at least taken out of context.

B: Agree, that for international political and practical reasons, that Saddam's execution was apparently incompently botched by the Iraqis who allowed things to get out of hand, or did so intentionally to exacerbate sunni-shiite tensions.

C: If it IS an accurate quote, I can only assume that the constant attack by the ignorant, irrational Left on President Bush has finally driven him insane.


42 posted on 01/16/2007 11:10:13 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: surely_you_jest

My only comment is that his administration, Sec. Rice in particular, was surprised that the Palis elected Hamas.

Talk about misunderestimating; I'm surprised they didn't tear his body apart afterwards. The president should feel lucky he's not having to answer questions about that.

They're muslim for Pete's sake. Surely he's not believing his own bull about them being a religion of peace, I hope.


43 posted on 01/16/2007 11:47:27 PM PST by kenth (I wish compassionate conservatives were more compassionate to conservatism.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
I simply don't believe this article.
44 posted on 01/17/2007 2:19:09 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: RetiredArmy
I agree with you...

And, I am worried about my friends in theater with Rumsfeld gone...
45 posted on 01/17/2007 3:13:53 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Bush is losing it. Laura, you are traveling too much. Get home and take care of your man.


46 posted on 01/17/2007 3:36:31 AM PST by montag813
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To: PissAndVinegar

The way to clean up Iraq is to destroy the governmnet in Iran and Syria - not occupy them - just destroy them.

Iraq is only a battle in the war with Islam. Unfortunately, most Americans don't realize this ISN'T Viet Nam. We can't just walk away from this one.

If we do, there will be another Iraq somewhere else - perhaps much closer - like in our baackyard since Americans are apparently unwilling to stop these vermin from coming in here.


47 posted on 01/17/2007 4:29:18 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: TheDon
WAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA...Saddam was executed...WAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA

What else matters?


How about the fact that instead of foreign insurgents and Sunni extremists killing our troops every day, we can now add Sunni moderates to the list?
48 posted on 01/17/2007 5:36:05 AM PST by jonesboheim
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To: SkyDancer

Revenge killing? So when he was governor of Texas, all those execution orders he gave were not revenge killings .... in what way exactly is the difference?????................In Texas the governor does not order execution orders and also be advised the governor can not halt an execution. Only the board of pardons and paroles has that ability and the governor has no control over that.


49 posted on 01/17/2007 5:45:54 AM PST by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzlim velocity)
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To: oceanview
Here are some pictures of revenge killings:

The Nuremberg Trials The Execution of Nazi War Criminals

The corpses of Mussolini, his mistress Claretta Petacci, and his henchmen are hanged in Piazzale Loreto in Milan on public display, April 29, 1945. They had been executed the day before some 50 miles to the north in Mezzegra and were now offered to the people who spat on the corpses and kicked them.

50 posted on 01/17/2007 5:51:55 AM PST by kabar
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